Thanks Troy, 😀
Your replies were clearly intended to be read by coders! 🥸
Has anyone tested this bit of code yet?
Best regards,
David
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On Friday, March 14th, 2025 at 4:38 PM, Troy A. Griffitts
<scr...@crosswire.org> wrote:
> I believe we support this in SWORD:
>
> ```
>
> [tgriffitts@fedora filters]$ grep overline *
> osishtmlhref.cpp: else if (type == "ol" || type == "overline" || type ==
> "x-overline") {
> osishtmlhref.cpp: outText("<span style=\"text-decoration:overline\">", buf,
> u);
> osislatex.cpp: // there is no officially supported OSIS overline attribute,
> osislatex.cpp: // thus either TEI overline or OSIS x-overline would be best,
> osislatex.cpp: // OSIS overline attribute is made available, these should all
> osislatex.cpp: else if (type == "ol" || type == "overline" || type ==
> "x-overline") {
> osislatex.cpp: outText("\\textoverline{", buf, u);
> osisplain.cpp: // there is no officially supported OSIS overline attribute,
> osisplain.cpp: // thus either TEI overline or OSIS x-overline would be best,
> osisplain.cpp: // OSIS overline attribute is made available, these should all
> osisplain.cpp: if (strstr(token, "rend=\"ol\"") || strstr(token,
> "rend=\"x-overline\"") || strstr(token, "rend=\"overline\"")
> osisplain.cpp: || strstr(token, "type=\"ol\"") || strstr(token,
> "type=\"x-overline\"") || strstr(token, "type=\"overline\"")) {
> osisplain.cpp: u->hiType = "overline";
> osisplain.cpp: if (u->hiType == "overline") {
> osisxhtml.cpp: .overline { text-decoration: overline; }\n\
> osisxhtml.cpp: // there is no officially supported OSIS overline attribute,
> osisxhtml.cpp: // thus either TEI overline or OSIS x-overline would be best,
> osisxhtml.cpp: // OSIS overline attribute is made available, these should all
> osisxhtml.cpp: else if (type == "ol" || type == "overline" || type ==
> "x-overline") {
> osisxhtml.cpp: outText("<span class=\"overline\">", buf, u);
> teihtmlhref.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")
> teihtmlhref.cpp: buf += "<span style=\"text-decoration:overline\">";
> teihtmlhref.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")
> teilatex.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")
> teilatex.cpp: buf += "\\overline{";
> teixhtml.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")
> teixhtml.cpp: buf += "<span style=\"text-decoration:overline\">";
> teixhtml.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")
> ```
>
> On 3/14/25 3:31 PM, David Haslam wrote:
>
>> Thanks DM,
>>
>> As and when we get a fix on this for SWORD as well as JSword, we should add
>> a suitable description in [OSIS Bibles - CrossWire Bible
>> Society](https://wiki.crosswire.org/OSIS_Bibles#Miscellaneous)
>> We might even use thenomen-sacrumcase as the illustrated example.
>>
>> Can anyone familiar with how SWORD works tell us whether
>>
>>> <hirend="overline">θς</hi>
>>
>> would be correctly rendered by SWORD?
>>
>> And would we need to specify this within an eXtended type attribute value
>> (one with an "x-" prefix) for the abbr element?
>>
>>> <abbrtype="x-nomSac">
>>> <hirend="overline">θς</hi> </abbr>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> David
>>
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>>
>> On Friday, March 14th, 2025 at 1:58 PM, DM Smith
>> [<dmsm...@crosswire.org>](mailto:dmsm...@crosswire.org) wrote:
>>
>>> Regarding JSword, it supports some TEI within OSIS. Specifically it
>>> supports hi with TEI’s attribute rend in addition to OSIS’s attribute type.
>>> Chris Little directed that this should be so.
>>>
>>> It has been a long time since we discussed this, so my memory might be
>>> faulty that OSIS was based on TEI and SWORD/JSword would allow some TEI
>>> constructs with the OSIS filter.
>>>
>>> JSword needs a small, easy change to support overline. At this time, it
>>> will show the text without any decoration. It should be added to our
>>> edition of OSIS.
>>>
>>>> On Mar 14, 2025, at 4:55 AM, David Haslam
>>>> [<dfh...@protonmail.com>](mailto:dfh...@protonmail.com) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Troy,
>>>>
>>>> Does SWORD support an OSIS equivalent to this TEI snippet?
>>>>
>>>>> <abbrtype="nomSac">
>>>>> <hirend="overline">θς</hi> </abbr>
>>>>
>>>> Not asking about the abbr element, but the rend="overline" attribute for
>>>> the hi element.
>>>>
>>>> Rendering text with overline is not documented in the OSIS User Manual.
>>>>
>>>> - Has this ever been tested in SWORD front-ends?
>>>> - How about JSword-based apps?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On Friday, March 14th, 2025 at 8:48 AM, David Haslam
>>>> [<dfh...@protonmail.com>](mailto:dfh...@protonmail.com) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Follow-up...
>>>>>
>>>>> The screenshot image in my previous reply is what I saw in Safari when I
>>>>> clicked Troy's link while viewing messages from my iPad Mini 4.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that I've done likewise while viewing messages from my Windows 11 PC,
>>>>> I see a proper XML file via the Edge browser!
>>>>>
>>>>>> <w>
>>>>>> <abbrtype="nomSac">
>>>>>> <hirend="overline">θς</hi>
>>>>>> </abbr>
>>>>>> </w>
>>>>>> <w>τον</w>
>>>>>> <w>κοσμον</w>
>>>>>> <pc>·</pc>
>>>>>> <lb/>
>>>>>> <w>ωστε</w>
>>>>>> <w>τον</w>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just shows that WYSINAWYG ! 🥸
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, March 14th, 2025 at 6:40 AM, David Haslam
>>>>> [<dfh...@protonmail.com>](mailto:dfh...@protonmail.com) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <106d2d31-021b-436b-80ed-0686abfbff3a_image.png>
>>>>>> Hi Troy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Above is what I see after I clicked your link! Not sure if that’s what
>>>>>> you intended.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 23:52, Troy A. Griffitts
>>>>>> <[scr...@crosswire.org](mailto:On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 23:52, Troy A.
>>>>>> Griffitts <<a href=)> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is how we record nomen sacrum in TEI and should transfer to OSIS
>>>>>>> just fine, e.g.,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://ntvmr.uni-muenster.de/community/vmr/api/transcript/get/?docID=20001&indexContent=John.3.16&format=teiraw
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/13/25 4:28 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the best and correct way is to call this ‘display’ and encode
>>>>>>>> the exact look you want to achieve via style sheet.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: sword-devel
>>>>>>>> [<sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org>](mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org)
>>>>>>>> on behalf of David Haslam
>>>>>>>> [<dfh...@protonmail.com>](mailto:dfh...@protonmail.com)
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2025 2:34 pm
>>>>>>>> To: Alan Bunning [<greekc...@gmail.com>](mailto:greekc...@gmail.com)
>>>>>>>> Cc: sword-devel mailing list
>>>>>>>> [<sword-devel@crosswire.org>](mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org)
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Fwd: [modules] New Beta Module: StatResGNT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would also require that we devise a means to encode in the OSIS the
>>>>>>>> equivalent to what was used in the underlying Wiki format !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> {{overline|ΘΥ}}
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I doubt if the SWORD engine has a means to implement that!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 2:22 PM, David Haslam
>>>>>>>> [<dfh...@protonmail.com>](mailto:dfh...@protonmail.com) wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Alan, for the explanation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This then prompts a suggestion as to the potential use of the OSIS
>>>>>>>>> abbr element for each instance. This would require that each type of
>>>>>>>>> nomina sacrum would then need to be retained as the abbreviation, and
>>>>>>>>> then expanded using the XML attribute, e.g.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <abbr expansion="Θεοῦ"> ΘΥ </abbr>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please refer to the OSIS User Manual section 13.2
>>>>>>>>> NB. I don't know whether the SWORD engine has any code to display the
>>>>>>>>> expansions!
>>>>>>>>> The coders might enlighten us on this point. I have therefore cc: to
>>>>>>>>> sword-devel in this reply.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) secure email.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:45 PM, Alan Bunning
>>>>>>>>> [<greekc...@gmail.com>](mailto:greekc...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, that symbol is used to mark nomina sacra.
>>>>>>>>>> Alan Bunning, D.Litt.
>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>>>>>>> Center for New Testament Restoration
>>>>>>>>>> [https://greekcntr.org](https://greekcntr.org/)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/13/2025 9:42 AM, Kovács Zoltán wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Alan,
>>>>>>>>>>> I received the following emails. I haven't looked into them very
>>>>>>>>>>> much, but maybe you want to join the conversation.
>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Zoltan
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>>>>>> Feladó: David Haslam < dfh...@protonmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 2025. márc. 13., Cs, 14:37
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [modules] New Beta Module: StatResGNT
>>>>>>>>>>> To: pierre amadio < amadio.pie...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Kovács Zoltán < kov...@gmail.com>, < modu...@crosswire.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Pierre,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's a very plausible explanation!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here are the relevant lines from my word count.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Word Count
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Θεέ 2
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Θεοῦ 690
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Θεόν 73
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Θεός 68
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Θεὸν 72
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Θεὸς 239
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Θεῷ 158
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κυρίου 231
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κυρίῳ 95
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κύριε 89
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κύριον 63
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κύριος 139
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κύριόν 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κύριός 10
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Πνεύματι 59
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Πνεύματος 79
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Πνεύματός 5
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Πνεῦμά 7
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Πνεῦμα 99
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Χριστέ 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Χριστοῦ 252
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Χριστόν 18
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Χριστός 41
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Χριστὸν 48
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Χριστὸς 71
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Χριστῷ 104
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚θεὸς 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦ 329
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦν 126
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦς 456
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> NB. If this is a technical means to mark the use of nomina sacra,
>>>>>>>>>>> then it ought to be described in the conf file!
>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:11 PM, pierre amadio
>>>>>>>>>>> amadio.pie...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know, there is no such greek accent as a circular mark
>>>>>>>>>>>> such as Ring Above (U+02DA).
>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking at the source text, they seem to always appears next to
>>>>>>>>>>>> words such as
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/main/SR.txt
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦ ˚Χριστοῦ,
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Πνεύματος
>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κυρίου
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Could it be a way to mark the use of a nomina sacra in manuscripts
>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomina_sacra
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 at 13:38, Kovács Zoltán kov...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, David, I will look into it and get back to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, Zoltan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Haslam dfh...@protonmail.com ezt írta (időpont: 2025. márc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13., Cs, 13:33):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arising from the grapheme count, I have a further technical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> query.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are 3626 instances of U+02DA RING ABOVE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering whether these would be better being all replaced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by U+030A COMBINING RING ABOVE, and if so, whether the mark
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should follow the Greek letter rather than precede it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NB. My knowledge of Ancient Greek accents rules is fairly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limited.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q. What is the most suitable Unicode font for viewing a Greek NT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Might it be sensible to include such an element in the .conf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 12:13 PM, David Haslam
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dfh...@protonmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kovács,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using BabelPad Tools, I have just done a grapheme count on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> full Greek text with accents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i.e. After first stripping out the references from the diatheke
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output. See inside attached 7-Zip file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two left/right count mismatches that ought to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looked at.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 ‘ 483
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2019 ’ 484
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 201C “ 1,904
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 201D ” 1,907
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cf. The counts of left/right parentheses were OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0028 ( 62
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0029 ) 62
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 11:59 AM, David Haslam
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dfh...@protonmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This module has the wrong Versification.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a Greek NT and therefore LXX is simply the wrong choice!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please fix this ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dom, Please also fix any bug in your script that led to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mistake!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 12th, 2025 at 5:52 PM, dom...@crosswire.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dom...@crosswire.org wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is to announce that we have just now uploaded StatResGNT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the CrossWire beta repository for testing purposes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If no raised concern nor a quality alert has been sent on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> StatResGNT will be published in a week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is an update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Language=Ancient Greek (to 1453)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Version=1.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> History_1.3=(2025-03-12) Update to newest release (last database
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change: 2024-07-16)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TextSource=https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/master/SR.txt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Versification=LXX
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks to Kovács_Zoltán for the hard work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S.: This email is sent automatically.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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