Thanks DM,
As and when we get a fix on this for SWORD as well as JSword, we should add a
suitable description in [OSIS Bibles - CrossWire Bible
Society](https://wiki.crosswire.org/OSIS_Bibles#Miscellaneous)
We might even use thenomen-sacrumcase as the illustrated example.
Can anyone familiar with how SWORD works tell us whether
> <hirend="overline">θς</hi>
would be correctly rendered by SWORD?
And would we need to specify this within an eXtended type attribute value (one
with an "x-" prefix) for the abbr element?
> <abbrtype="x-nomSac">
> <hirend="overline">θς</hi></abbr>
Best regards,
David
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On Friday, March 14th, 2025 at 1:58 PM, DM Smith <dmsm...@crosswire.org> wrote:
> Regarding JSword, it supports some TEI within OSIS. Specifically it supports
> hi with TEI’s attribute rend in addition to OSIS’s attribute type. Chris
> Little directed that this should be so.
>
> It has been a long time since we discussed this, so my memory might be faulty
> that OSIS was based on TEI and SWORD/JSword would allow some TEI constructs
> with the OSIS filter.
>
> JSword needs a small, easy change to support overline. At this time, it will
> show the text without any decoration. It should be added to our edition of
> OSIS.
>
>> On Mar 14, 2025, at 4:55 AM, David Haslam <dfh...@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Troy,
>>
>> Does SWORD support an OSIS equivalent to this TEI snippet?
>>
>>> <abbrtype="nomSac">
>>> <hirend="overline">θς</hi></abbr>
>>
>> Not asking about the abbr element, but the rend="overline" attribute for the
>> hi element.
>>
>> Rendering text with overline is not documented in the OSIS User Manual.
>>
>> - Has this ever been tested in SWORD front-ends?
>> - How about JSword-based apps?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> David
>>
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>> On Friday, March 14th, 2025 at 8:48 AM, David Haslam <dfh...@protonmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Follow-up...
>>>
>>> The screenshot image in my previous reply is what I saw in Safari when I
>>> clicked Troy's link while viewing messages from my iPad Mini 4.
>>>
>>> Now that I've done likewise while viewing messages from my Windows 11 PC, I
>>> see a proper XML file via the Edge browser!
>>>
>>>> <w>
>>>> <abbrtype="nomSac">
>>>> <hirend="overline">θς</hi>
>>>> </abbr>
>>>> </w>
>>>> <w>τον</w>
>>>> <w>κοσμον</w>
>>>> <pc>·</pc>
>>>> <lb/>
>>>> <w>ωστε</w>
>>>> <w>τον</w>
>>>
>>> Just shows that WYSINAWYG ! 🥸
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> David
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Friday, March 14th, 2025 at 6:40 AM, David Haslam
>>> <dfh...@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <106d2d31-021b-436b-80ed-0686abfbff3a_image.png>
>>>> Hi Troy,
>>>>
>>>> Above is what I see after I clicked your link! Not sure if that’s what you
>>>> intended.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 23:52, Troy A. Griffitts
>>>> <[scr...@crosswire.org](mailto:On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 23:52, Troy A.
>>>> Griffitts <<a href=)> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is how we record nomen sacrum in TEI and should transfer to OSIS
>>>>> just fine, e.g.,
>>>>>
>>>>> https://ntvmr.uni-muenster.de/community/vmr/api/transcript/get/?docID=20001&indexContent=John.3.16&format=teiraw
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/13/25 4:28 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the best and correct way is to call this ‘display’ and encode
>>>>>> the exact look you want to achieve via style sheet.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: sword-devel
>>>>>> [<sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org>](mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org)
>>>>>> on behalf of David Haslam
>>>>>> [<dfh...@protonmail.com>](mailto:dfh...@protonmail.com)
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2025 2:34 pm
>>>>>> To: Alan Bunning [<greekc...@gmail.com>](mailto:greekc...@gmail.com)
>>>>>> Cc: sword-devel mailing list
>>>>>> [<sword-devel@crosswire.org>](mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org)
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Fwd: [modules] New Beta Module: StatResGNT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would also require that we devise a means to encode in the OSIS the
>>>>>> equivalent to what was used in the underlying Wiki format !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> {{overline|ΘΥ}}
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I doubt if the SWORD engine has a means to implement that!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 2:22 PM, David Haslam
>>>>>> [<dfh...@protonmail.com>](mailto:dfh...@protonmail.com) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, Alan, for the explanation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This then prompts a suggestion as to the potential use of the OSIS abbr
>>>>>>> element for each instance. This would require that each type of nomina
>>>>>>> sacrum would then need to be retained as the abbreviation, and then
>>>>>>> expanded using the XML attribute, e.g.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <abbr expansion="Θεοῦ"> ΘΥ </abbr>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please refer to the OSIS User Manual section 13.2
>>>>>>> NB. I don't know whether the SWORD engine has any code to display the
>>>>>>> expansions!
>>>>>>> The coders might enlighten us on this point. I have therefore cc: to
>>>>>>> sword-devel in this reply.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:45 PM, Alan Bunning
>>>>>>> [<greekc...@gmail.com>](mailto:greekc...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, that symbol is used to mark nomina sacra.
>>>>>>>> Alan Bunning, D.Litt.
>>>>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>>>>> Center for New Testament Restoration
>>>>>>>> [https://greekcntr.org](https://greekcntr.org/)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/13/2025 9:42 AM, Kovács Zoltán wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Alan,
>>>>>>>>> I received the following emails. I haven't looked into them very
>>>>>>>>> much, but maybe you want to join the conversation.
>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Zoltan
>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>>>> Feladó: David Haslam < dfh...@protonmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: 2025. márc. 13., Cs, 14:37
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [modules] New Beta Module: StatResGNT
>>>>>>>>> To: pierre amadio < amadio.pie...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Kovács Zoltán < kov...@gmail.com>, < modu...@crosswire.org>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Pierre,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's a very plausible explanation!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here are the relevant lines from my word count.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Word Count
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Θεέ 2
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Θεοῦ 690
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Θεόν 73
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Θεός 68
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Θεὸν 72
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Θεὸς 239
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Θεῷ 158
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κυρίου 231
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κυρίῳ 95
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κύριε 89
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κύριον 63
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κύριος 139
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κύριόν 1
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κύριός 10
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Πνεύματι 59
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Πνεύματος 79
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Πνεύματός 5
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Πνεῦμά 7
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Πνεῦμα 99
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Χριστέ 1
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Χριστοῦ 252
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Χριστόν 18
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Χριστός 41
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Χριστὸν 48
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Χριστὸς 71
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Χριστῷ 104
>>>>>>>>>> ˚θεὸς 1
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦ 329
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦν 126
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦς 456
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> NB. If this is a technical means to mark the use of nomina sacra,
>>>>>>>>> then it ought to be described in the conf file!
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:11 PM, pierre amadio
>>>>>>>>> amadio.pie...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know, there is no such greek accent as a circular mark
>>>>>>>>>> such as Ring Above (U+02DA).
>>>>>>>>>> Looking at the source text, they seem to always appears next to
>>>>>>>>>> words such as
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/main/SR.txt
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦ ˚Χριστοῦ,
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Πνεύματος
>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κυρίου
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Could it be a way to mark the use of a nomina sacra in manuscripts ?
>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomina_sacra
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 at 13:38, Kovács Zoltán kov...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, David, I will look into it and get back to you.
>>>>>>>>>>> Best, Zoltan
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> David Haslam dfh...@protonmail.com ezt írta (időpont: 2025. márc.
>>>>>>>>>>> 13., Cs, 13:33):
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Arising from the grapheme count, I have a further technical query.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are 3626 instances of U+02DA RING ABOVE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering whether these would be better being all replaced by
>>>>>>>>>>>> U+030A COMBINING RING ABOVE, and if so, whether the mark should
>>>>>>>>>>>> follow the Greek letter rather than precede it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> NB. My knowledge of Ancient Greek accents rules is fairly limited.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Q. What is the most suitable Unicode font for viewing a Greek NT
>>>>>>>>>>>> text?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Might it be sensible to include such an element in the .conf file?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 12:13 PM, David Haslam
>>>>>>>>>>>> dfh...@protonmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kovács,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Using BabelPad Tools, I have just done a grapheme count on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> full Greek text with accents.
>>>>>>>>>>>> i.e. After first stripping out the references from the diatheke
>>>>>>>>>>>> output. See inside attached 7-Zip file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two left/right count mismatches that ought to be looked
>>>>>>>>>>>> at.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 ‘ 483
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2019 ’ 484
>>>>>>>>>>>> 201C “ 1,904
>>>>>>>>>>>> 201D ” 1,907
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> cf. The counts of left/right parentheses were OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 0028 ( 62
>>>>>>>>>>>> 0029 ) 62
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 11:59 AM, David Haslam
>>>>>>>>>>>> dfh...@protonmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This module has the wrong Versification.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a Greek NT and therefore LXX is simply the wrong choice!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please fix this ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dom, Please also fix any bug in your script that led to this
>>>>>>>>>>>> mistake!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 12th, 2025 at 5:52 PM, dom...@crosswire.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> dom...@crosswire.org wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is to announce that we have just now uploaded StatResGNT
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the CrossWire beta repository for testing purposes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If no raised concern nor a quality alert has been sent on the list,
>>>>>>>>>>>> StatResGNT will be published in a week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is an update.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Language=Ancient Greek (to 1453)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Version=1.3
>>>>>>>>>>>> History_1.3=(2025-03-12) Update to newest release (last database
>>>>>>>>>>>> change: 2024-07-16)
>>>>>>>>>>>> TextSource=https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/master/SR.txt
>>>>>>>>>>>> Versification=LXX
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks to Kovács_Zoltán for the hard work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> yours
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S.: This email is sent automatically.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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