Thanks Arnaud,
The name element might indeed be appropriate, and it would be good to see this
used morein OSIS Bibles, although to identify & cover all names would require a
lot of effort - even for our flagship module KJV; (DM & I began some
eXperimental work on that a few years ago).
Each of the nomina sacra would be a singular name, so if not abbreviated, the
attribute value should be "x-nomen-sacra" - which might even be shortened as
"x-nom-sac".
Best regards,
David
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On Saturday, March 15th, 2025 at 10:58 AM, Arnaud Vié
<unas.zole+a...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ah, so I was indeed missing something ! Thanks David for the clarification.
>
> I still think using <hi> is not a satisfying solution though, as it loses
> semantic information that OSIS is supposed to preserve.
> OSIS does provide a more generic <name type="..."> tag that could be used.
> The currently supported name types are "geographic", "holiday", "nonhuman",
> "person", "ritual", but x-prefixed extensions are also allowed.
> So a <name type="x-nominasacra"> for example (with proper handling in sword)
> would be more appropriate - though of course the rendering for it would have
> to be implemented.
>
> Le sam. 15 mars 2025 à 11:46, David Haslam <dfh...@protonmail.com> a écrit :
>
>> Arnaud,
>>
>> The divineName is used only for the Tetragrammaton and its conjugates from
>> the Hebrew OT. The SWORD engine renders such using small-caps.
>>
>> Nomina Sacra are a quite different matter. Refer to the Wikipedia article.
>>
>> Even the name Jerusalem has a Nomen Sacrum in some MSS.
>>
>> David
>>
>> Sent from [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) for iOS
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 15, 2025 at 10:31, Arnaud Vié <
>> [unas.zole+a...@gmail.com](mailto:On+Sat,+Mar+15,+2025+at+10:31,+Arnaud+Vié+%3C%3Ca+href=)>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe I'm missing something, but for the "nomina sacra" use case, why are
>>> you not using the dedicated semantic <divineName> tag ?
>>>
>>> OSIS is designed to store semantic markup when possible, rather than
>>> formatting information.
>>> The OSIS manual clearly specifies that "The hi element is reserved for
>>> cases where the reason for the highlighting or other typographic
>>> distinction is unknown." Here, you know what the reason is, and OSIS
>>> provides a dedicated tag for your use case. So using <hi> here is actually
>>> a misusage as far as OSIS is concerned.
>>>
>>> The more correct course of action would be using <divineName>, and ensuring
>>> that the rendering code in SWORD is applying a proper formatting to this
>>> divineName tag.
>>> (Or even better, allow bibles to carry "stylesheets" to customise the
>>> rendering of tags per-bible without sacrificing the semantic information -
>>> but that's a matter for another day).
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Arnaud
>>>
>>> Le sam. 15 mars 2025 à 04:53, David Haslam < dfh...@protonmail.com> a écrit
>>> :
>>>
>>>> I've now documented some of this in the developers' wiki, under a new
>>>> section for Text styles.
>>>>
>>>> [OSIS Bibles - CrossWire Bible
>>>> Society](https://wiki.crosswire.org/OSIS_Bibles#Text_styles)
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, March 15th, 2025 at 12:48 AM, DM Smith <
>>>> dmsm...@crosswire.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Your question is really whether it is buggy. it looks good to me,
>>>>> Really, Troy has a module for which it works. There may be a future
>>>>> latex, html, xhtml, tei, …. that might find a problem and find a bug.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is an incomplete test suite (all test suites are incomplete!) that
>>>>> could be improved with fuller input. Maybe this too.
>>>>>
>>>>> So much of our software development is, “works for me” I’ll go on to the
>>>>> next thing. That’s what I do. If someone finds a problem, then I’ll fix
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> DM
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 14, 2025, at 12:45 PM, David Haslam < dfh...@protonmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Troy, 😀
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your replies were clearly intended to be read by coders! 🥸
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anyone tested this bit of code yet?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, March 14th, 2025 at 4:38 PM, Troy A. Griffitts <
>>>>>> scr...@crosswire.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe we support this in SWORD:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ```
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [tgriffitts@fedora filters]$ grep overline *
>>>>>>> osishtmlhref.cpp: else if (type == "ol" || type == "overline" || type
>>>>>>> == "x-overline") {
>>>>>>> osishtmlhref.cpp: outText("<span style=\"text-decoration:overline\">",
>>>>>>> buf, u);
>>>>>>> osislatex.cpp: // there is no officially supported OSIS overline
>>>>>>> attribute,
>>>>>>> osislatex.cpp: // thus either TEI overline or OSIS x-overline would be
>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>> osislatex.cpp: // OSIS overline attribute is made available, these
>>>>>>> should all
>>>>>>> osislatex.cpp: else if (type == "ol" || type == "overline" || type ==
>>>>>>> "x-overline") {
>>>>>>> osislatex.cpp: outText("\\textoverline{", buf, u);
>>>>>>> osisplain.cpp: // there is no officially supported OSIS overline
>>>>>>> attribute,
>>>>>>> osisplain.cpp: // thus either TEI overline or OSIS x-overline would be
>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>> osisplain.cpp: // OSIS overline attribute is made available, these
>>>>>>> should all
>>>>>>> osisplain.cpp: if (strstr(token, "rend=\"ol\"") || strstr(token,
>>>>>>> "rend=\"x-overline\"") || strstr(token, "rend=\"overline\"")
>>>>>>> osisplain.cpp: || strstr(token, "type=\"ol\"") || strstr(token,
>>>>>>> "type=\"x-overline\"") || strstr(token, "type=\"overline\"")) {
>>>>>>> osisplain.cpp: u->hiType = "overline";
>>>>>>> osisplain.cpp: if (u->hiType == "overline") {
>>>>>>> osisxhtml.cpp: .overline { text-decoration: overline; }\n\
>>>>>>> osisxhtml.cpp: // there is no officially supported OSIS overline
>>>>>>> attribute,
>>>>>>> osisxhtml.cpp: // thus either TEI overline or OSIS x-overline would be
>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>> osisxhtml.cpp: // OSIS overline attribute is made available, these
>>>>>>> should all
>>>>>>> osisxhtml.cpp: else if (type == "ol" || type == "overline" || type ==
>>>>>>> "x-overline") {
>>>>>>> osisxhtml.cpp: outText("<span class=\"overline\">", buf, u);
>>>>>>> teihtmlhref.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")
>>>>>>> teihtmlhref.cpp: buf += "<span style=\"text-decoration:overline\">";
>>>>>>> teihtmlhref.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")
>>>>>>> teilatex.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")
>>>>>>> teilatex.cpp: buf += "\\overline{";
>>>>>>> teixhtml.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")
>>>>>>> teixhtml.cpp: buf += "<span style=\"text-decoration:overline\">";
>>>>>>> teixhtml.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")
>>>>>>> ```
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/14/25 3:31 PM, David Haslam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks DM,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As and when we get a fix on this for SWORD as well as JSword, we
>>>>>>>> should add a suitable description in [OSIS Bibles - CrossWire Bible
>>>>>>>> Society](https://wiki.crosswire.org/OSIS_Bibles#Miscellaneous)
>>>>>>>> We might even use the nomen-sacrum case as the illustrated example.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can anyone familiar with how SWORD works tell us whether
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <hi rend="overline" > θς </hi>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> would be correctly rendered by SWORD?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And would we need to specify this within an eXtended type attribute
>>>>>>>> value (one with an "x-" prefix) for the abbr element?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <abbrtype="x-nomSac">
>>>>>>>>> <hi rend="overline" > θς </hi> </abbr>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 14th, 2025 at 1:58 PM, DM Smith
>>>>>>>> [<dmsm...@crosswire.org>](mailto:dmsm...@crosswire.org) wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regarding JSword, it supports some TEI within OSIS. Specifically it
>>>>>>>>> supports hi with TEI’s attribute rend in addition to OSIS’s attribute
>>>>>>>>> type. Chris Little directed that this should be so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It has been a long time since we discussed this, so my memory might
>>>>>>>>> be faulty that OSIS was based on TEI and SWORD/JSword would allow
>>>>>>>>> some TEI constructs with the OSIS filter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> JSword needs a small, easy change to support overline. At this time,
>>>>>>>>> it will show the text without any decoration. It should be added to
>>>>>>>>> our edition of OSIS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 14, 2025, at 4:55 AM, David Haslam
>>>>>>>>>> [<dfh...@protonmail.com>](mailto:dfh...@protonmail.com) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Troy,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does SWORD support an OSIS equivalent to this TEI snippet?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <abbrtype="nomSac">
>>>>>>>>>>> <hirend="overline"> θς </hi> </abbr>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not asking about the abbr element, but the rend="overline" attribute
>>>>>>>>>> for the hi element.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rendering text with overline is not documented in the OSIS User
>>>>>>>>>> Manual.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Has this ever been tested in SWORD front-ends?
>>>>>>>>>> - How about JSword-based apps?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 14th, 2025 at 8:48 AM, David Haslam
>>>>>>>>>> [<dfh...@protonmail.com>](mailto:dfh...@protonmail.com) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Follow-up...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The screenshot image in my previous reply is what I saw in Safari
>>>>>>>>>>> when I clicked Troy's link while viewing messages from my iPad Mini
>>>>>>>>>>> 4.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now that I've done likewise while viewing messages from my Windows
>>>>>>>>>>> 11 PC, I see a proper XML file via the Edge browser!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <w>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <abbr type="nomSac" >
>>>>>>>>>>>> <hi rend="overline" > θς </hi>
>>>>>>>>>>>> </abbr>
>>>>>>>>>>>> </w>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <w> τον </w>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <w> κοσμον </w>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <pc> · </pc>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <lb/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <w> ωστε </w>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <w> τον </w>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just shows that WYSINAWYG ! 🥸
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent with [Proton Mail](https://pr.tn/ref/SWXT9A5YZ67G) secure
>>>>>>>>>>> email.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 14th, 2025 at 6:40 AM, David Haslam
>>>>>>>>>>> [<dfh...@protonmail.com>](mailto:dfh...@protonmail.com) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <106d2d31-021b-436b-80ed-0686abfbff3a_image.png>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Troy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Above is what I see after I clicked your link! Not sure if that’s
>>>>>>>>>>>> what you intended.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 23:52, Troy A. Griffitts <
>>>>>>>>>>>> [scr...@crosswire.org](mailto:On+Thu,+Mar+13,+2025+at+23:52,+Troy+A.+Griffitts+%3C%3Ca+href=)>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is how we record nomen sacrum in TEI and should transfer to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OSIS just fine, e.g.,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://ntvmr.uni-muenster.de/community/vmr/api/transcript/get/?docID=20001&indexContent=John.3.16&format=teiraw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/13/25 4:28 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the best and correct way is to call this ‘display’ and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encode the exact look you want to achieve via style sheet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from [Outlook for iOS](https://aka.ms/o0ukef)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: sword-devel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [<sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org>](mailto:sword-devel-boun...@crosswire.org)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on behalf of David Haslam
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [<dfh...@protonmail.com>](mailto:dfh...@protonmail.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2025 2:34 pm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Alan Bunning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [<greekc...@gmail.com>](mailto:greekc...@gmail.com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: sword-devel mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [<sword-devel@crosswire.org>](mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Fwd: [modules] New Beta Module:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> StatResGNT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would also require that we devise a means to encode in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OSIS the equivalent to what was used in the underlying Wiki
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> format !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> {{overline|ΘΥ}}
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt if the SWORD engine has a means to implement that!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) secure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 2:22 PM, David Haslam
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [<dfh...@protonmail.com>](mailto:dfh...@protonmail.com) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Alan, for the explanation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This then prompts a suggestion as to the potential use of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OSIS abbr element for each instance. This would require that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each type of nomina sacrum would then need to be retained as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the abbreviation, and then expanded using the XML attribute,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e.g.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <abbr expansion="Θεοῦ"> ΘΥ </abbr>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please refer to the OSIS User Manual section 13.2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NB. I don't know whether the SWORD engine has any code to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> display the expansions!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The coders might enlighten us on this point. I have therefore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cc: to sword-devel in this reply.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) secure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:45 PM, Alan Bunning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [<greekc...@gmail.com>](mailto:greekc...@gmail.com) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, that symbol is used to mark nomina sacra.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan Bunning, D.Litt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Center for New Testament Restoration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [https://greekcntr.org](https://greekcntr.org/)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/13/2025 9:42 AM, Kovács Zoltán wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Alan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I received the following emails. I haven't looked into them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very much, but maybe you want to join the conversation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Zoltan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feladó: David Haslam < dfh...@protonmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 2025. márc. 13., Cs, 14:37
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [modules] New Beta Module: StatResGNT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: pierre amadio < amadio.pie...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Kovács Zoltán < kov...@gmail.com>, <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modu...@crosswire.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Pierre,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a very plausible explanation!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here are the relevant lines from my word count.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Word Count
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Θεέ 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Θεοῦ 690
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Θεόν 73
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Θεός 68
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Θεὸν 72
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Θεὸς 239
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Θεῷ 158
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κυρίου 231
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κυρίῳ 95
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κύριε 89
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κύριον 63
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κύριος 139
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κύριόν 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κύριός 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Πνεύματι 59
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Πνεύματος 79
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Πνεύματός 5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Πνεῦμά 7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Πνεῦμα 99
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Χριστέ 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Χριστοῦ 252
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Χριστόν 18
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Χριστός 41
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Χριστὸν 48
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Χριστὸς 71
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Χριστῷ 104
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚θεὸς 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦ 329
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦν 126
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦς 456
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NB. If this is a technical means to mark the use of nomina
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sacra, then it ought to be described in the conf file!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent with [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) secure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:11 PM, pierre amadio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amadio.pie...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know, there is no such greek accent as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> circular mark
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such as Ring Above (U+02DA).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking at the source text, they seem to always appears next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to words such as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/main/SR.txt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Ἰησοῦ ˚Χριστοῦ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Πνεύματος
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ˚Κυρίου
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could it be a way to mark the use of a nomina sacra in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manuscripts ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomina_sacra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 at 13:38, Kovács Zoltán kov...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, David, I will look into it and get back to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, Zoltan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Haslam dfh...@protonmail.com ezt írta (időpont: 2025.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> márc. 13., Cs, 13:33):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arising from the grapheme count, I have a further
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technical query.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are 3626 instances of U+02DA RING ABOVE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering whether these would be better being all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replaced by U+030A COMBINING RING ABOVE, and if so,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether the mark should follow the Greek letter rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than precede it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NB. My knowledge of Ancient Greek accents rules is fairly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limited.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q. What is the most suitable Unicode font for viewing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greek NT text?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Might it be sensible to include such an element in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .conf file?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 12:13 PM, David Haslam
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dfh...@protonmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kovács,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using BabelPad Tools, I have just done a grapheme count on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the full Greek text with accents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i.e. After first stripping out the references from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diatheke output. See inside attached 7-Zip file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two left/right count mismatches that ought to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looked at.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 ‘ 483
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2019 ’ 484
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 201C “ 1,904
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 201D ” 1,907
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cf. The counts of left/right parentheses were OK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0028 ( 62
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0029 ) 62
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 11:59 AM, David Haslam
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dfh...@protonmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This module has the wrong Versification.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a Greek NT and therefore LXX is simply the wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please fix this ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dom, Please also fix any bug in your script that led to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this mistake!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 12th, 2025 at 5:52 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dom...@crosswire.org dom...@crosswire.org wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is to announce that we have just now uploaded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> StatResGNT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the CrossWire beta repository for testing purposes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If no raised concern nor a quality alert has been sent on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the list,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> StatResGNT will be published in a week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is an update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Language=Ancient Greek (to 1453)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Version=1.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> History_1.3=(2025-03-12) Update to newest release (last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> database change: 2024-07-16)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TextSource=https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/master/SR.txt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Versification=LXX
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks to Kovács_Zoltán for the hard work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S.: This email is sent automatically.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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