Todd
The Appendix states every time you drain and refill the system you must release 
the trapped air, so by definition a system has a control valve, Water flow 
switch and a drain. thus each floor can be independently shut off and drained 
then refilled, thus they would need an air vent.



From: Fpdcdesign <[email protected]>
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To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers 
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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Air venting

Ken, I think you would have to with the check valve. I would push back a little 
in that by adding a normally open valve and a flow switch or manifold would not 
change the physics of the system enough to warrant the additional vents. If you 
had a 2 story building without zone valves, you would only need one vent. 
However, if you add normally open valves and flow switches, you would now need 
2 (or 3?). From the standpoint of physics, why?

Todd G Williams, PE
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On Oct 9, 2023 at 12:06 PM, <Ken Wagoner<mailto:[email protected]>> 
wrote:
Yes, Todd, on each floor, as they're using a Victaulic UMC manifold which 
includes a check valve.

thanks for the information,
Ken Wagoner, SET
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On 10/9/2023 10:49 AM, Fpdcdesign wrote:
Is there a check valve on the floor control assembly?

Todd G Williams, PE
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On Oct 9, 2023 at 11:44 AM, <Ken Wagoner<mailto:[email protected]>> 
wrote:
Forumites,

I'm working on a multi-story building protected per NFPA 13.  As each floor has 
a separate control valve, is a means to vent trapped air required on each 
floor?  Or is it only required at the highest level of the building?

My thinking is that each floor has a separate fire sprinklers system.

Any thoughts?
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