On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 05:08, Peter Kiem wrote: > Hi, > > > The upshot of this experience proved to me, once and for all, that > > blackhole lists are a *bad* (*BAD*) idea unless you, yourself, happen > > to be administering the list. The whole thing revolves around trust, > > and a single false-positive in a supposedly-trusted list nullifies > > that trust (for me, at least).
Anything that's designed to be bad to be on the receiving end of is fairly certain to be bad to be on the receiving end of, either that or it didn't work :) The other side of that is that if you are administering it yourself then you're only listing what you put in it yourself, you're not allowing other spam victims to use the spam they got to save you from the same, and you'll have to keep up with all that unlisting yourself too. A DNS based blocklist is merely a way of sharing information. It's as good or as bad as the information shared. And don't SA rules also revolve around trust? > Nope, you need to choose the RIGHT blackhole lists. SPEWS is notoriously > bad for not unlisting IP addresses which is why I don't use them. That's just FUD. SPEWS have pulled listings quickly many times, mostly a lot faster than the spammy ISP cleaned their act up. Many times when it's looked like SPEWS was on a go-slow there's been another eruption of spam from the network a few days later, or the so-called ISP has later been outed as being the spammer. They've been right far far more times than they've been wrong. They're not bad at unlisting, merely good at not being taken for a fool by spammers. The real problem with SPEWS is the chain reaction which seems to occur with many listees: The anonymous aspect of SPEW sets off ppls paranoia. The documentation on the SPEWS site is impenetrable and the only piece of it most people manage to comprehend is go to nanae. The combative nature of many people in nanae whips up that paranoia to a level far higher than normal, and it's the nature of many people that they would rather rattle each other's paranoia than take the time to find out how things really are. End result, listees either end up in a verbal punch-up or get chased away, with only the most persistent and flame-resistant listees getting helped. -- Yorkshire Dave -- Scanned by MailScanner at wot.no-ip.com ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk
