Re: dissapointed >> dummy MX record

2005-05-26 Thread Ronan McGlue
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I added a dummy mx record (lowest preference) as we all know its generally the one th spammers target first, which is getting hit with about 50% of our daily connections, of which i defer all of them at a very low overhead. May I ask what kind of software/setti

[SARE] obfu.cf, specific.cf updated

2005-05-26 Thread Robert Menschel
Just a quick note that the SARE specific.cf and obfu.cf rules files have been updated. Documentation at http://www.rulesemporium.com/rules.htm#specific and http://www.rulesemporium.com/rules.htm#obfu Updates to specific.cf are minor. Updates to obfu.cf include 36 new rules, including several for

MISSING_SUBJECT always firing

2005-05-26 Thread Shawn R. Beairsto
Hi everyone, I'm running SA 3.02 for a few weeks now together with amavisd-new-20030616 and it seems that MISSING_SUBJECT is firing on every mail even if there is a Subject: header and it's not empty. Has anyone experienced this problem or have an idea whats going on? I've googled around some,

Re: OTC stock spam

2005-05-26 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, May 26, 2005, 6:54:57 AM, wrote: > Guys, > I just can't seem to lick this problem. Any ideas? How about a rule to score "My Pool Leaks, Inc." in message texts? Jeff C. -- Jeff Chan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.surbl.org/

Re: MISSING_SUBJECT always firing

2005-05-26 Thread Matt Kettler
At 09:56 AM 5/26/2005, Shawn R. Beairsto wrote: Hi everyone, I'm running SA 3.02 for a few weeks now together with amavisd-new-20030616 and it seems that MISSING_SUBJECT is firing on every mail even if there is a Subject: header and it's not empty. Has anyone experienced this problem or have

Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Jake Colman
Given the rather complete set of rules that ship with SA and which can expanded with SARE, does bayes learning really help? Won't the rules catch pretty much everything anyway? -- Jake Colman Sr. Applications Developer Principia Partners LLC Harborside Financial Center 1001 Plaza Two Jersey Cit

RE: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Steven Manross
Yes, BAYES is an integral part of SA! It's like a constantly changing rule (without the need to tweak the rule ever so slightly for nuances in the "new" mail. There are mails that don't trip any standard rules, but are caught by bayes alone. Steven -Original Message- From: Jake Colman [

RE: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Kristopher Austin
We have found Bayes to be more trouble than it's worth. We were frequently running into problems keeping the database stable and fresh. We have a site-wide install so that just made it all the more problematic. It definitely depends on your situation. I don't think anyone can make a blanket stat

RE: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-26 Thread Chris Santerre
>-Original Message- >From: aecioneto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:36 PM >To: users >Subject: Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions > > >Loren and Chris, >thanks for your replies. >I am aware of SA, I have been using it from a very long time >ago - ha

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions - OT

2005-05-26 Thread Dimitri Yioulos
On Thursday May 26 2005 10:30 am, Chris Santerre wrote: > >-Original Message- > >From: aecioneto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:36 PM > >To: users > >Subject: Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions > > > > > >Loren and Chris, > >thanks for your replies.

Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Thomas Cameron
On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 10:08 -0400, Jake Colman wrote: > Given the rather complete set of rules that ship with SA and which can > expanded with SARE, does bayes learning really help? Won't the rules catch > pretty much everything anyway? I have used SA with Bayes and it took quite a bit of adminis

Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Kristopher Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > We have found Bayes to be more trouble than it's worth. We were > frequently running into problems keeping the database stable and fresh. > We have a site-wide install so that just made it all the more > problematic. We also have a site-wide install with

Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Joe Zitnik
I think points can be made for both sides of the argument.  The thing that makes bayes different, is that a well trained bayes database is specific to your environment.  If you're a law firm, your learned ham is going to be heavy in legalese, medical related org, heavy in that terminology.  Becaus

SA marked message as ham

2005-05-26 Thread Tim Macrina
Can anyone explain to me as to why this message was marked as ham. Thank you Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from 4praise.com ([220.160.189.10]) by mail2.qmlhost.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j4Q5SHOl030285 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 26 May 2005 01:28:27 -0400 Mes

Re: Procmail Recipe Problem

2005-05-26 Thread Andy Jezierski
Jake Colman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/25/2005 10:12:08 PM: [snip] > How can I limit the number of sendmails anyway?  My server gets very > overloaded in those circumstances.  In general, what happens if there are > more sendmails than there are spamd processes? > You can try confCONNECTI

RE: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Chris Santerre
>-Original Message- >From: Jake Colman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 10:09 AM >To: users@spamassassin.apache.org >Subject: Is Bayes Really Necessary? > > > >Given the rather complete set of rules that ship with SA and which can >expanded with SARE, does bayes lea

Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread up
On Thu, 26 May 2005, Joe Zitnik wrote: > I think points can be made for both sides of the argument. The thing > that makes bayes different, is that a well trained bayes database is > specific to your environment. If you're a law firm, your learned ham is > going to be heavy in legalese, medical

Re: [SARE] obfu.cf, specific.cf updated

2005-05-26 Thread Joe Zitnik
Can someone get the file specific information straight for those of us who download manually?  Example: specific shows Last update 2005-5-26, but if you open the file, its modified date is # Modified: 2005-03-26, header is the same way, last update is 2005-05-21, but modified day in the file is #

Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Joe Zitnik
I have autolearn off.  I have been burned by it twice.>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5/26/2005 10:33 AM >>> On Thu, 26 May 2005, Joe Zitnik wrote:> I think points can be made for both sides of the argument.  The thing> that makes bayes different, is that a well trained bayes database is> specific to your

Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Keith Ivey
Joe Zitnik wrote: Bayes definitely helps, but auto-learn can cause problems. Perhaps a better question would be, "Is autolearn really neccessary?" I think the problems mostly come from accidentally autolearning spam as ham, which is easy with the default threshold. Autolearning messages as

Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Jim Maul
Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: * Kristopher Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: We have found Bayes to be more trouble than it's worth. We were frequently running into problems keeping the database stable and fresh. We have a site-wide install so that just made it all the more problematic. We also have a

Re: SA marked message as ham

2005-05-26 Thread Matt Kettler
Tim Macrina wrote: > Can anyone explain to me as to why this message was marked as ham. > Thank you Because it didn't hit any rules. No hits = ham, and by default, autolearn as ham (IMO this is a bad thing, but the default SA ruleset doesn't have enough negative-scoring rules to use a negative lea

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-26 Thread Martyn Drake
Aecio F. Neto wrote: Is there any *good* and *trustable* comparison between SA and other commercial solutions? I looked into a few dedicated commercial spam appliances, but most (but not all) of which used a customised version of SpamAssassin as part of their detection process anyway. Messa

Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Jim Maul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I have been running sitewide bayes since the beginning without much > maintenance at all. It has autolearned every message itself and its > dead on balls accurate. I've trained maybe 20 message total manually so > i dont see how running bayes could actually c

Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread jdow
One way to keep Bayes from running is to never train it. {^_^} - Original Message - From: "Kristopher Austin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We have found Bayes to be more trouble than it's worth. We were frequently running into problems keeping the database stable and fresh. We have a site-wide i

RE: SA marked message as ham

2005-05-26 Thread Tim Macrina
I'm pretty new to SA but my local.cf has the following entries skip_rbl_checks 0 use_razor2 0 use_dcc 0 use_pyzor 0 I believe this means that I am not using any of the checks. Are these features that need to be installed? Are there others I should use in additi

Re: SA marked message as ham

2005-05-26 Thread Matt Kettler
Tim Macrina wrote: > I'm pretty new to SA but my local.cf has the following entries > > skip_rbl_checks 0 > use_razor20 > use_dcc 0 > use_pyzor 0 > > I believe this means that I am not using any of the checks. Are these > features that need to be insta

Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Matt Kettler
jdow wrote: > One way to keep Bayes from running is to never train it. > {^_^} You'd also disable autolearning. By default SA will eventually autolearn enough email to being using bayes. (and often these pure auto-learn only DBs end up with very bad results.)

RE: SA marked message as ham

2005-05-26 Thread Ben Wylie
Because you don't have any rules enabled that hit it. I suggest turning on URIBL tests. I have them scored highly and a low threshold to flag spam as that is ok with my setup. I don't know whether the how high the default scores would take this. Three lists got: http://p.w8k.jumptothehighestpoint.

Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Jim Maul
Matt Kettler wrote: jdow wrote: One way to keep Bayes from running is to never train it. {^_^} You'd also disable autolearning. By default SA will eventually autolearn enough email to being using bayes. (and often these pure auto-learn only DBs end up with very bad results.) Often is the

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-26 Thread Kevin Peuhkurinen
aecioneto wrote: I post such inquiry to the list because some prospects of mine very often tend to compare feature-by-feature (nonse, IMHO) and - thanks to MS culture - have doubts about a solution with no helpdesk phone at the "other side of the box". Forgive this little rant, but support

Message that conitinually gets bypassed

2005-05-26 Thread Alan Fullmer
I have this message that continually gets by Spam Assassin. The headers have no indication that SA has even touched it. I will post the headers below, as well as the message. I get various messages all of which have the basic same body content. If I forward this message to myself, it clearly t

ideas on why this rule isn't working?

2005-05-26 Thread Johnson, S
I have to admit… Some people are actually trying to help me keep bad material out of our school district.  They are attaching a “sexually-explicit: text text text” in the subject line.  So I thought that I’d write a rule to catch that and re-route the mail to the blackhole.  Any ideas on wh

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-26 Thread Gary W. Smith
And when in doubt go to Linux world. Last year everyone was pushing the antispam solution which was just a fancy SA implementation on their hardware, overpriced and pushed back with the exact same support that you are getting here. I think it's because even their support people are in this room (

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-26 Thread Dimitri Yioulos
I can only speak from the perspective of a small (but growing, thank you) shop. I was committed to using Linux and FOSS from the get, anyway, but as a start-up, commercial solutions to a great many of our needs were out of reach, price-wise. Our email solution was sendmail-spamassassin-rdj-c

Re: Mail Failure

2005-05-26 Thread David Brodbeck
Tim Jackson wrote: No, it's *not* normal in the slightest. Why on earth are they the registrant of the domain? They are making trouble for themselves (and their customers) if they are making themselves the Registrant of customer domains. (As you can see in this case). Technical contact, sure. Bil

Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Eric A. Hall
On 5/26/2005 10:08 AM, Jake Colman wrote: > Given the rather complete set of rules that ship with SA and which can > expanded with SARE, does bayes learning really help? Won't the rules catch > pretty much everything anyway? The base SA install is insufficient, but if you tweak the scores and ad

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-26 Thread Eric A. Hall
On 5/26/2005 10:30 AM, Chris Santerre wrote: > Understood, and very good effort by you to educate them. Mostly all the > reviews slam the cost benefit of SA with the "Pay an employee to > support it." line of crap. Every filtering system requires admin time, and if the reviews don't say as much

Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread List Mail User
Though nobody seems to have said it exactly this way: It seems to be becoming very obvious that the people who say the have problems with Bayes are those who support a diverse group of users (e.g. ISPs and email providers) and those who find it works well, even with autolearning are those

Re: ideas on why this rule isn't working?

2005-05-26 Thread Kevin Peuhkurinen
Johnson, S wrote: I have to admit… Some people are actually trying to help me keep bad material out of our school district. They are attaching a “sexually-explicit: text text text” in the subject line. So I thought that I’d write a rule to catch that and re-route the mail to the blackhole. An

Re: ideas on why this rule isn't working?

2005-05-26 Thread Matt Kettler
Johnson, S wrote: > I have to admit… Some people are actually trying to help me keep bad > material out of our school district. They are attaching a > “sexually-explicit: text text text” in the subject line. So I thought > that I’d write a rule to catch that and re-route the mail to the > blackho

Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Loren Wilton
> Given the rather complete set of rules that ship with SA and which can > expanded with SARE, does bayes learning really help? Won't the rules catch > pretty much everything anyway? Um, maybe, maybe not. Bayes *necessary*? No, especially if you run net tests. Bayes *highly desirable*? Yup. A

Re: Message that conitinually gets bypassed

2005-05-26 Thread Loren Wilton
> I have this message that continually gets by Spam Assassin. The headers > have no indication that SA has even touched it. I will post the headers > below, as well as the message. Which version of SA? How are you feeding it? Procmail? Something else? I don't see anything obvious at a real q

Re: ideas on why this rule isn't working?

2005-05-26 Thread Loren Wilton
> Any ideas on why this isn't working? Thanks! header ZXS_SEXUALLY_EXPLICIT Subject =~ /\bsexually-explicit/i describe ZXS_SEXUALLY_EXPLICIT bad...bad...bad... score ZXS_SEXUALLY_EXPLICIT 10 Looks good to me. Did you remember to restart spamd after you put this in a rules file somewhere? Actu

RE: ideas on why this rule isn't working?

2005-05-26 Thread Johnson, S
No, it's not... I wonder why this is? I'm on SA 3.0.1 as well. -Original Message- From: Kevin Peuhkurinen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:06 PM Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: ideas on why this rule isn't working? Johnson, S wrote: > I have to a

Re: ideas on why this rule isn't working?

2005-05-26 Thread Loren Wilton
> No, it's not... I wonder why this is? I'm on SA 3.0.1 as well. That rule may not have been in 3.0.1, if I recall correctly. It started as a SARE rule and moved over at some point. Maybe that was 0.1, maybe 0.2. Not very long ago though. Loren

Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Dimitri Yioulos
On Thursday May 26 2005 1:13 pm, Loren Wilton wrote: > > Given the rather complete set of rules that ship with SA and which can > > expanded with SARE, does bayes learning really help? Won't the rules > > catch > > > pretty much everything anyway? > > Um, maybe, maybe not. > > Bayes *necessary*?

Adjusting the AWL value

2005-05-26 Thread Craig Jackson
Hi, I'd like to change/reset-to-zero the autowhite list value for a sender. I read the man page (Mail::Spamassassin::Autowhitelist) but don't comprehend the syntax. Can someone give me a hint? Thanks, Craig Jackson

RE: ideas on why this rule isn't working?

2005-05-26 Thread Johnson, S
I have an 80_customsex.cf file that I created. I did run --lint and restart spamd. The other rules I have in that file have hit on spam messages. -Original Message- From: Matt Kettler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:12 PM To: Johnson, S Cc: users@spamassassin.ap

RE: ideas on why this rule isn't working?

2005-05-26 Thread Johnson, S
Where can I get the SARE rule for this? -Original Message- From: Loren Wilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:33 PM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: ideas on why this rule isn't working? > Any ideas on why this isn't working? Thanks! header ZXS_S

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-26 Thread Matthew S. Cramer
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 10:30:21AM -0400, Chris Santerre wrote: [...] > >My intention was to have some external opinion - magazine, > >site review, you name it - saying that when summing up > >cost/benefit of SA comparing to other things out there, it is > >best by far (this is my opinion). >

Re: Adjusting the AWL value

2005-05-26 Thread guenther
On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 12:55 -0500, Craig Jackson wrote: > Hi, > I'd like to change/reset-to-zero the autowhite list value for a sender. > I read the man page (Mail::Spamassassin::Autowhitelist) but don't > comprehend the syntax. > > Can someone give me a hint? Rather than Mail::Spamassassin::Au

Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Jake Colman
> "CS" == Chris Santerre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> -Original Message- >> From: Jake Colman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 10:09 AM >> To: users@spamassassin.apache.org >> Subject: Is Bayes Really Necessary? >> >> >> >> Given

RulesDuJour Best Practices

2005-05-26 Thread Jason Marshall
I confess, I've been using RDJ for at least a year now without really having any idea what i'm doing. It downloads the new rules as it should, and spamassassin uses them, but I have some SARE rules that require the "Personal Rule" snippet to be added to the rules_du_jour script. When a new ru

Manpage change suggestion

2005-05-26 Thread Matt Kettler
guenther wrote: > On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 12:55 -0500, Craig Jackson wrote: > >>Hi, >>I'd like to change/reset-to-zero the autowhite list value for a sender. >>I read the man page (Mail::Spamassassin::Autowhitelist) but don't >>comprehend the syntax. >> >>Can someone give me a hint? > > > Rather

RE: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Chris Santerre
>-Original Message- >From: Jake Colman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 2:54 PM >To: users@spamassassin.apache.org >Subject: Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary? > > >> "CS" == Chris Santerre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> -Original Message- > >> From:

RE: Adjusting the AWL value

2005-05-26 Thread Chris Santerre
>-Original Message- >From: guenther [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 2:52 PM >To: Craig Jackson >Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org >Subject: Re: Adjusting the AWL value > > >On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 12:55 -0500, Craig Jackson wrote: >> Hi, >> I'd like to change/reset-t

Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Jim Maul
Chris Santerre wrote: -Original Message- From: Jake Colman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 2:54 PM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary? "CS" == Chris Santerre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> -Original Message- >> F

Re: Adjusting the AWL value

2005-05-26 Thread Jim Maul
Chris Santerre wrote: -Original Message- From: guenther [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 2:52 PM To: Craig Jackson Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Adjusting the AWL value On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 12:55 -0500, Craig Jackson wrote: Hi, I'd like to chang

RE: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Evan Langlois
On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 10:42 -0400, Chris Santerre wrote: > For site wide, I'm pretty much against it. I know people will argue that > point. I'm obviously biased towards SARE rules updated with RDJ. And the use > of URIBL.com lists. But these allow a general users, or a sitewide install > to "set

Re: Adjusting the AWL value

2005-05-26 Thread Matt Kettler
Jim Maul wrote: > > Hey, do you know any commands to remove things from other peoples' ASS? > > Maybe something like --remove-stick-from ? My boss really needs this! > > No, usually the only thing you can try on someone else is --remove-head-from-ass. However, this will fail on some systems

Re: Adjusting the AWL value

2005-05-26 Thread Dimitri Yioulos
On Thursday May 26 2005 3:54 pm, Matt Kettler wrote: > Jim Maul wrote: > > Hey, do you know any commands to remove things from other peoples' ASS? > > > > Maybe something like --remove-stick-from ? My boss really needs this! > > No, usually the only thing you can try on someone else is > --remove-

Re: Adjusting the AWL value

2005-05-26 Thread David Brodbeck
Dimitri Yioulos wrote: Isn't the landscape bar required in every sysadmin's tool kit? A 3.5 foot length of "sucker rod" is also acceptable. (See the Linux syslogd(8) manpage, 'SECURITY THREATS' section, for details: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/syslogd.8.html) Cricket bats are, I'

RE: Adjusting the AWL value

2005-05-26 Thread Chris Santerre
>-Original Message- >From: David Brodbeck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:05 PM >To: users@spamassassin.apache.org >Subject: Re: Adjusting the AWL value > > >Dimitri Yioulos wrote: >> Isn't the landscape bar required in every sysadmin's tool kit? > >A 3.5 foot le

Re: Adjusting the AWL value

2005-05-26 Thread Dimitri Yioulos
On Thursday May 26 2005 4:19 pm, Chris Santerre wrote: > >-Original Message- > >From: David Brodbeck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:05 PM > >To: users@spamassassin.apache.org > >Subject: Re: Adjusting the AWL value > > > >Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > >> Isn't the la

Re: Adjusting the AWL value

2005-05-26 Thread Doc Schneider
Matt Kettler wrote: Jim Maul wrote: Hey, do you know any commands to remove things from other peoples' ASS? Maybe something like --remove-stick-from ? My boss really needs this! No, usually the only thing you can try on someone else is --remove-head-from-ass. However, this will fail on

user_prefs migration script

2005-05-26 Thread Dan Mahoney, System Admin
Hey all, I was migrating over to SQL, and I've written a script that allows users to migrate their prefs into (and out of) a SQL database, including some command line switches for root to be able to migrate all users in at once. My code's not the cleanest in the world, but I'm trying. I wrot

Re: [sa-list] Spamcop reporting

2005-05-26 Thread Dan Mahoney, System Admin
On Thu, 26 May 2005, Thomas Zehetbauer wrote: Hi, I have just started reporting spam and I wonder if SpamCop really expects it's users to confirm every submission in the web interface? Yes, they do. This is to ensure a minimum of false positives. By default, I only report things that do NO

Re: RulesDuJour Best Practices

2005-05-26 Thread Chris Thielen
Jason Marshall wrote: When a new rules_du_jour is released, it downloads it, and i have to manually add the "Personal Rule" snippets to the script again. Is there a way to put those in the /etc/rulesdujour/config file so that they don't need to be re-added all the time? Yes! You should

Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread David B Funk
On Thu, 26 May 2005, Thomas Cameron wrote: > On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 10:08 -0400, Jake Colman wrote: > > Given the rather complete set of rules that ship with SA and which can > > expanded with SARE, does bayes learning really help? Won't the rules catch > > pretty much everything anyway? > > I hav

Re: Adjusting the AWL value [ot larting]

2005-05-26 Thread Matt Kettler
Dimitri Yioulos wrote: > > > Matt, > > Isn't the landscape bar required in every sysadmin's tool kit? > > Dimitri > Every sysadmin requires some form of LART in his toolkit. Not all sysadmins require a head extraction tool, although they are quite handy. Many tools, such as the landscape b

Re: RulesDuJour Best Practices

2005-05-26 Thread Jason Marshall
Yes! You should be able to add these directly to the config file in the same way you are (I believe) currently adding them to the built-in registry. Thanks, Chris, do they just get added to the bottom, or do they need to be contained in some kind of $variable="" declaration? Nope, it looks

Re: Adjusting the AWL value [ot larting]

2005-05-26 Thread Jim Maul
Matt Kettler wrote: Dimitri Yioulos wrote: Matt, Isn't the landscape bar required in every sysadmin's tool kit? Dimitri Every sysadmin requires some form of LART in his toolkit. Not all sysadmins require a head extraction tool, although they are quite handy. Many tools, such as the la

Re: RulesDuJour Best Practices

2005-05-26 Thread Chris Thielen
Jason Marshall wrote: Yes! You should be able to add these directly to the config file in the same way you are (I believe) currently adding them to the built-in registry. Thanks, Chris, do they just get added to the bottom, or do they need to be contained in some kind of $variable="" decla

Re: Adjusting the AWL value

2005-05-26 Thread Martin G. Diehl
Matt Kettler wrote: Jim Maul wrote: Hey, do you know any commands to remove things from other peoples' ASS? Maybe something like --remove-stick-from ? My boss really needs this! No, usually the only thing you can try on someone else is --remove-head-from-ass. However, this will fail on som

Locating the Source of a Hit in the Message Content

2005-05-26 Thread David
Hi, I'm new to SpamAssassin, and I've been running some tests. I've been using the get_report() method to get a report of the rules that were triggered by a message. Is there a method that can identify where in the content the rule was triggered (e.g. a line number, or a regular expression wit

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-26 Thread JamesDR
Martyn Drake wrote: Aecio F. Neto wrote: Is there any *good* and *trustable* comparison between SA and other commercial solutions? I looked into a few dedicated commercial spam appliances, but most (but not all) of which used a customised version of SpamAssassin as part of their detection

Fwd: Re: Adjusting the AWL value

2005-05-26 Thread fchan
Title: Fwd: Re: Adjusting the AWL value Since we are getting off the subject of Adjusting the AWL value. Maybe I could use one or more of these to extricate certain parts of ones body from another part of the body: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/gbu-28e.htm Seriously en

Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Jake Colman
> "CS" == Chris Santerre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I already use RDJ and the automatic updater. How do I use URIBL? I >> looked at the usage page and I undersyand that I need to create a .cf >> file but how does it access the lists? CS> If you are using SA 3.x, support is a

RE: Expiry issues, SPF, Trusted path and more

2005-05-26 Thread Ben Wylie
Thanks Matt and Theo for your helpful replies. I have now disabled the auto expiry, so it won't happen during the scanning of a message. I can then trigger it to do this at a time during the night when it doesn't matter so much. I have also sorted out my trusted path, and now where ever the emails

Re: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Matt Kettler
Jake Colman wrote: >>"CS" == Chris Santerre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >CS> If you are using SA 3.x, support is already included. You simply have >CS> to create the config file, restart spamd, and *poof* way less spam. > >CS> Net::Dns is required. I forget which version. I forg

Re: Expiry issues, SPF, Trusted path and more

2005-05-26 Thread Matt Kettler
Ben Wylie wrote: > > Now that I have got my trusted networks sorted out, may I ask this question > again? > > = > Secondly it appears that even when it has all the information to do the spf > check, it can't find the module. I thought i had installe

Re[2]: Adjusting the AWL value

2005-05-26 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Chris, Thursday, May 26, 2005, 1:19:19 PM, you wrote: >>Cricket bats are, I'm told, another favorite in some parts of >>the world for dealing with recalcitrant users. CS> All second fiddle to being a 6 foot, 230 lb ex-boxer, martial CS> artist, and avid ice hockey player. You cheat. CS>

Re[2]: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello List, Thursday, May 26, 2005, 10:05:26 AM, you wrote: LMU>Though nobody seems to have said it exactly this way: It seems LMU> to be becoming very obvious that the people who say the have problems LMU> with Bayes are those who support a diverse group of users (e.g. ISPs LMU> and email p

Re[2]: [SARE] obfu.cf, specific.cf updated

2005-05-26 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Joe, Thursday, May 26, 2005, 7:37:55 AM, you wrote: JZ> Can someone get the file specific information straight for JZ> those of us who download manually?  ... Sure, someone could. Apparently not me. :-) Anyone got a good secretary available? Bob Menschel

Re: Message that conitinually gets bypassed

2005-05-26 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Alan, Thursday, May 26, 2005, 9:20:51 AM, you wrote: AF> I have this message that continually gets by Spam Assassin. The headers AF> have no indication that SA has even touched it. I will post the headers AF> below, as well as the message. Unfortunately, you posted the text, and you pos

Re[2]: [SARE] Whitelist.cf updated

2005-05-26 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Jeff, Wednesday, May 25, 2005, 10:42:57 PM, you wrote: JC> On Wednesday, May 25, 2005, 9:19:43 PM, Robert Menschel wrote: >> Just a quick note that the SARE whitelist rules file has been updated. >> Documentation at http://www.rulesemporium.com/rules.htm#whitelist >> Bob Menschel JC> A cou

Re: OTC stock spam

2005-05-26 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello , Thursday, May 26, 2005, 6:54:57 AM, you wrote: q> Guys, q> I just can't seem to lick this problem. Any ideas? One idea: http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DoYouWantMySpam The way many of us would help would be to take your email, the full email, the unadulterated uncut unmodifie

spamassassin --lint

2005-05-26 Thread Tim Macrina
If I run spamassassin --lint I get the following messages. Can anyone tell me what they mean and how to fix them? Thank you config: SpamAssassin failed to parse line, skiping: detailed_phrase_score 1 config: SpamAssassin failed to parse line, skiping: spam_level_stars 1 config: SpamAssassin faile

Re: spamassassin --lint

2005-05-26 Thread Matt Kettler
Tim Macrina wrote: > If I run spamassassin --lint I get the following messages. Can anyone tell me > what they mean and how to fix them? Thank you > > config: SpamAssassin failed to parse line, skiping: detailed_phrase_score 1 > config: SpamAssassin failed to parse line, skiping: spam_level_stars

Re: spamassassin --lint

2005-05-26 Thread Tim Macrina
THis may be a dumb question but were can I find those lines? I looked in /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf and I can't locate those entires. On 5/26/05, Matt Kettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tim Macrina wrote: > > If I run spamassassin --lint I get the following messages. Can anyone tell > > me

Re: spamassassin --lint

2005-05-26 Thread Matt Kettler
Tim Macrina wrote: > THis may be a dumb question but were can I find those lines? I looked > in /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf and I can't locate those entires. Try ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs

Re: spamassassin --lint

2005-05-26 Thread Tim Macrina
Hi Matt, looked in every user_prefs file on my system and I could find any reference to those lines. On 5/26/05, Matt Kettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tim Macrina wrote: > > THis may be a dumb question but were can I find those lines? I looked > > in /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf and I can'

Re: spamassassin --lint

2005-05-26 Thread guenther
> looked in every user_prefs file on my system and I could find any > reference to those lines. If you're running 'spamassassin --lint' as root, I guess you should look in /root/.spamassassin/user_prefs as well. The user_prefs ONLY are evaluated of the user running spamassassin. No need to look

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-26 Thread jdow
From: "Kevin Peuhkurinen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > If that's not bad enough, I find most support from proprietary software > vendors to be the pits. We have Mcafee's Enterprise Anti-Virus suite > with a support contract. However, I hate calling them because I tend > to have to wait 30+ minutes

Re: spamassassin --lint

2005-05-26 Thread David B Funk
On Thu, 26 May 2005, Tim Macrina wrote: > Hi Matt, > looked in every user_prefs file on my system and I could find any > reference to those lines. > > On 5/26/05, Matt Kettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tim Macrina wrote: > > > THis may be a dumb question but were can I find those lines? I loo

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-26 Thread David B Funk
On Thu, 26 May 2005, jdow wrote: > From: "Kevin Peuhkurinen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [snip..] > > putting me on hold for another 30+ minutes while they try to track down > > a second level support person. > > That's 30 minutes > > > On the other hand, I had a question about SpamAssassin the other

Re: Locating the Source of a Hit in the Message Content

2005-05-26 Thread Matt Kettler
At 05:56 PM 5/26/2005, David wrote: I'm new to SpamAssassin, and I've been running some tests. I've been using the get_report() method to get a report of the rules that were triggered by a message. Is there a method that can identify where in the content the rule was triggered (e.g. a line nu

Re: Re[2]: Is Bayes Really Necessary?

2005-05-26 Thread List Mail User
>... > >Hello List, > >Thursday, May 26, 2005, 10:05:26 AM, you wrote: > >LMU> Though nobody seems to have said it exactly this way: It seems >LMU> to be becoming very obvious that the people who say the have problems >LMU> with Bayes are those who support a diverse group of users (e.g. ISPs >LM

Custom Black list question

2005-05-26 Thread Philip Wege
I have a custom black list with rules like : blacklist_from [EMAIL PROTECTED] How can one make sure these rules are picked up by spamassassin as these emails are still getting through Spamassassin running on Freebsd.

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