Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

/highway_functional_classifications/section03.cfm It is a national system, with each state having a say in how their roads are classed. Take a look, I think it's a good way to a solution for the perennial roadway class issue in the US. Kevin On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 12:21 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at

Re: [Tagging] tagging laboratories

In general at my university we usually talk about "wet labs" vs "dry labs", mostly in regards to hazardous materials. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet_lab And for wet labs, there are different levels for biosafety... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosafety_level On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 10:

Re: [Tagging] Slow vehicle turnouts

Here in Georgia (USA) I believe we call these types of lanes "passing lanes". But that's usually only in reference to the left lane. You generally stay to the right except to pass. https://www.dawsonnews.com/local/gdot-remove-hwy-53-passing-lane/ Kevin On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 a

Re: [Tagging] Coastline for rivers, estuaries and mangroves?

tside the scope of the WCS. I think the key idea here is "high-energy" vs "low-energy" which would allow a mapper to identify exposed coasts subject to wave action, etc, versus a more protected river or bay. Kevin On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 2:42 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > [O

Re: [Tagging] Stormwater outlet into stream

better terms and of more use outside of stormwater infrastructure. As for what connects the two; you usually have a ditch, pipe, or stream. The wiki on waterways suggests that all pipe flow is pressurized and therefore it should be waterway=drain. https://www.surpriseaz.gov/DocumentCenter/View/1415/Com

[Tagging] [Voting] Feature Proposal - sensory_friendly

The voting period for the sensory_friendly proposal has begun and will end April 11, 2025. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal:Sensory ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Drive-Through Elements

This proposal aims to clarify and formalize some elements of the drive-through used in fast food, banks, pharmacies, liquor stores, and elsewhere to execute sales without the customer leaving their vehicle. Tags: board_type=menu, man_made=speaker_box, speaker_box=yes, window=drive_through. park

Re: [Tagging] MAST RELATION

Hi Christian, I'd like to continue this discussion. I agree, lat/long information should not be duplicated. Ideally, this would exist as a list of elements (each with their own tag) within a single database entry for the relation (and it's lat/long.) To my knowledge (admittedly little) of OpenS

Re: [Tagging] MAST RELATION

> As one of the few data consumers who is already evaluating whether > objects are attached to other objects (for 3D rendering purposes), I'm > naturally interested in the topic. You are exactly the kind of person I wanted to hear from! > Your approach does seem narrow in that it only works for

Re: [Tagging] MAST RELATION

Apologies for the uppercase, I initially typed it in LibreOffice and should have converted to sentence case. Martin's proposal is something this is based off of and expanded upon. It seems the need for this type of relation is apparent. -- GA_Kevin (everywhere)

Re: [Tagging] MAST RELATION

Yo, Thanks for your kind words! I think I disagree a layer tag should be encouraged. The main issue when I think of this is layers tend to go sequentially, without a common definition of height. If I have a post with a pedestrian crossing instructions (traffic_sign=US:R10-3b), what level woul

Re: [Tagging] MAST RELATION

Tobias, Hm, I am not quite sure about the name being support. Not because it would be worse, on the contrary, it is most assuredly better. Only because we already have a key `support=*` so widely used. Making this relation support as well would mean `support` in OpenStreetMap can mean a tag pla

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for the renderer : One-way "flow" bicycle tracks

nderstand the OP you can hike there. Someone would have to make a > router that is smart enough to know that despite being legal, hiking on a > downhill mtb trail is not a good idea. > Mike > >> ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@

Re: [Tagging] Route names being applied to tracks/paths

wrong. There's little harm done by the occasional redundant name. I suspect a general rule like what Warin proposes might work well in a tidier country than the US. Unlike some places, our places and names have grown organically and chaotically. We don't have everything all neatly catalogued back to the year 1086. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Use description instead of name for route relations

d appears to deprecate route and way names of a form that are common around here for what I consider to be good reasons. (In any case, 'description' appears to be an inappropriate tag for whatever it is you are proposing.) More details on the talk page. --

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Documenting feet as an an optional elevation unit

st Adirondack 46'rs also climb Mt MacNaughton, which was not on the list, but was revealed in a 1953 survey to exceed 4000 feet. But then the change of vertical datums to NAVD88 put it below the 4000 foot threshold again, and it's listed as 3,983 feet. Four of the original list also fall short of 4000 feet but are still required for the award. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Meaning of "administrative" in boundary=administrative, in your country?

ts were to be included, the hierarchy would be broken all over the place. And that only scratches the surface of special-purpose administrative districts. As I said, go ahead and map them, but don't try to make admin_level fit. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Meaning of "administrative" in boundary=administrative, in your country?

Indian Reservation as part of its domain. No Town crosses a county line, and the instances where a City or Indian Reservation does can be counted on the fingers of one hand. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Taggi

Re: [Tagging] Help explain the difference between path and track

hat motor vehicles use it occasionally, but only for official purposes. The locals near me seem to use 'service' or 'unclassified' if you can drive on it in a regular car (at least in summer) and 'track' if you are likely to need a four-wheeler or at least a high

Re: [Tagging] Do we map pedestrian crossings twice?

the OSM wiki. >> I assume mapping a crossing twice is incorrect? > > > I don't know if it is "correct" or not, but the footway=crossing tagging is > part of the Sidewalk as separate way proposal > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sidewalk_as_s

Re: [Tagging] Should we map things that do not exist?

e aerials)? I see no poles, no wires, no markers warning people not to dig. If there's still a cutline visible, I might tag `man_made=cutline`. Otherwise, the power company might own the right-of-way, but we ordinarily don't map that sort of cadastre. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin

Re: [Tagging] nhd tags - documentation page review

With that said, extraneous data in OSM are Mostly Harmless. Deleting unneccessary (as opposed to incorrect) data is never something that I'd demand. (It would be good to request that any further import from NHD - which would have to be done with careful conflation - refrain from including the

Re: [Tagging] Path or track with many fallen trees

>> >> Thanks in advance for your input. >> >> Mike >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> >

Re: [Tagging] Path or track with many fallen trees

. Way seems to get little traffic, even foot > traffic. > > > Mike > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Kevin Broderick k...@kevinbroderick.com __

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

the article you cite mentions areas eroded to bare rock. These values are all available for tagging a mineral surface. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Ground)

the parapet of the bridge: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ke9tv/50076407291 There are even a few stray blades of grass taking root in the concrete. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Finger- or guide-post text

y, not the ultimate destination. Is there a way to give a node ref for what the 'destination' corresponds to? On the sign in question, it might be nice to be able to indicate where Wawayanda Shelter is, since it's about 40 km distant. On my screen, you have to go out to z12

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

tones to build a cairn or natural surfaces to paint a blaze, a trail will be marked using posts with the blazes marked on them. Confusingly, the word 'guidepost' is also used in common speech for these, but I wouldn't use the 'guidepost' tag for them! I don't thin

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

e local authorities give me a less ambiguous 'green light' that it's OK to travel there.) -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Two side-of-road parking questions

t; very idiosyncratic. > >> >> > Was there through traffic in the parking lane itself in the above video? >> >> I can state with some confidence that there isn't *intended* to be. >> > > I don't recall seeing any. I don't want

Re: [Tagging] FWD: Re: narrow=yes, vs lanes=1, vs width

open to the public. > > For example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/378672974. > > -- > Matthew > > _______ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Kevin Broderick k...@kevinbroderick.com

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

e is /vəˈleɪ.ʃə/, or Cairo is /ˈkeɪɹ.oʊ/. You're an Upstater, so you know what I'm talking about! (For those who aren't, the voice of Salli on http://ipa-reader.xyz/?text=v%C9%99%CB%88le%C9%AA.%CA%83%C9%99 is pretty close to the local pronunciation, although her intonation isn't quite right on 'Schoharie'.) -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

in their own nation, requiring customs and imposts every time the US-Canadian border is crossed. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

me', not 'name' and 'ref'; Sixth Avenue was there first. (Also see Seventh Avenue/Fashion Avenue - only in the Garment District; Fourth Avenue/Park Avenue South - the segment south of Union Square) -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 4:28 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 3:16 PM Kevin Kenny > wrote: > >> The reductio-ad-absurdum would be to argue that 42nd Street in Manhattan >> should be `noname=yes ref=???` and participate in a route relation with >> `ne

Re: [Tagging] Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy Was:Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

rained from trying to map the situation, not being qualified. (I'm an Old White Guy with a trace of Six Nations ancestry,) -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Ahkwesáhsne, a territory of the Kanien'kehá:ka Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy Was:Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

smaller communities, have significant non-Haudenosaunee populations and stand on reservation land that is leased from the Seneca Nation.) -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

afield, the Amazon is tidal at least as far as Óbidos, Brasil, nearly a thousand km from the river's mouth. As a practical matter, given the woes of coastline maintenance, pushing the coastline for tens or hundreds of km up most of the world's rivers would be a disaster. -- 73

Re: [Tagging] addr:street for routes

and where mapped in New York are unsigned_ref) show '915G'. Finally, 'State Highway', as far as I know, is not an official designation of any road in New York: the state DOT uses 'State Route' consistently for its numbered routes. Pedantically, there's also

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

suggest that a peak should not have its name in OSM unless someone can find a sign with the name on it, because asking locals and consulting reference works is not 'verifiability in the field.') -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

f the mapped water surface by one centimetre. It's simply saying that for any indefinite boundary, there is no single right answer. Deference to the local cultural definitions, provided that they don't warp the indefinite boundary beyond any reasonable physical

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

ime'. Even there, the 'Estuaire fluvial' does not extend nearly to the tidal limit. The locals certainly make a distinction between the waters of the Sacramento and American rivers and those of San Pablo and San Franscisco Bays, or those of Puget Sound and the many rivers that empt

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

ates to 'the river flows both ways.' The division in the flow lies less in the fraction of the tidal cycle than the speed of the current. It flows 'upstream' for half the time, 'downstream' for half, but the downstream curre

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:16 PM Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 8/4/20 18:28, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > In actual practice, in the estuaries of rivers, the 'coastline' is very > > seldom tagged that far upstream. > > From my Chesapeake Bay example, in OSM,

Re: [Tagging] Aerialway stations

gt; > That's true but I think it would be very hard for consumers to extract > this information (think of an overpass-query to find all mid stations). > Would there be any advantage in following your suggestions instead of > explicit tagging? > > ___ > Tagging mail

Re: [Tagging] Aerialway stations

uggestions instead of > explicit tagging? > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > ___ > Tagging mailing > l

Re: [Tagging] Aerialway stations

tion=drive aerialway:station=mid aerialway:station=return would be appropriate. -- Kevin Broderick k...@kevinbroderick.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

s seen water only in geologic time, eventually disappearing entirely into a salt flat. It's relatively rare to find a fan that's still actively depositing sediment. One example is that Mòlèqiē Hé (莫勒切河) in Xinjiang forms an enormous and nearly unique one near 37.4° north, 84.3° east. -- 73

Re: [Tagging] Call for verification (Was: Re: [OSM-talk] VANDALISM !)

either in a dense geographic area or along a linear feature.) -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] OHV greater than 50 inches (wide)

, but not > motorcycles, but the tag motor_vehicle=yes implies motorcycle=yes. > > Mike > >> >> ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Kevin Broderick k...@kevinbroderick.com ___

Re: [Tagging] .Re: tagging drinking water of unclear official (signed)

the warming up of a discussion about the words used in the > main tags. > > Cheers Martin > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Best practices regarding implied tags

faults (such as in the US where > bicycle=* and foot=* varies a lot on highway=motorway) > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Kevin Broderick k...@kevinbroderick.com ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] Large fire perimeter tagging?

taken root” and after living most of my life here, >> that sounds about right. > > It was I who said that. I don't have your personal experience, but in a > "seven degrees of Kevin Bacon" kind of way I have come to know a > group of people on Facebook who avidly hike

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

foot-and-cycleway. I tried once, after a scolding here, retagging it as `highway=cycleway foot=designated shared=yes`. Other locals reverted. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 17:41 Volker Schmidt wrote: > > > On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 at 22:16, Emvee via Tagging > wrote: > I changed the crossing to the way we do it in many parts of Europe, i.e. a > crossing node *and* a crossing way. This was described as an option on > the highway=crossing wiki page

Re: [Tagging] What does bicycle=no on a node means?

tuation was a stand-alone shared-use foot/cycleway crossing a tertiary highway. Single carriageway, but with a way segment added to the cycleway to carry the signed `bicycle=dismount` restriction. No kerbs anywhere. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging ma

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

e of historical data to inform our mapping). >> >> Maybe we need an artificial=yes/no. >> >> -- >> Paul >> >> ___ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Cycle Route Relations vs. Ways

t; > > Surface has no place in a route relation as it refers diectly to the path, > not the multiple relations passing along it. Similar for the source tag. > > DaveF > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Extremely long Amtrak route relations / coastline v. water

ine - it's never complete and consistent, so the generalization of the coastline never seems to happen. Apologies to the 'tagging' mailing list in that I'm wandering off into data storage, data retrieval, editing and rendering technology, none of which really bears on how the ob

Re: [Tagging] coastline v. water

fix your world view (or the world view of your users).' At the very least, document that the creation of large multipolygons for indefinite features is considered inappropriate, and why, and enlist the aid of the maintainers of the editors to warn about the issue. Otherwise, you'll conti

Re: [Tagging] coastline v. water

om) that I'm advancing this argument to justify in retrospect damage that I've already done to the map does not hold water. So, how do we move forward? Dismissing the Red Sea as a mere social construct is unlikely to achieve consensus. Moreover, social constructs are part of what we map; we

Re: [Tagging] RFC Update - Hazard Proposal - rock/land fall/slide

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 12:54 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > I am not exactly happy about "rock slide" as it seems weird to use it where > danger is primarily about individual rocks dropping, not about full scale > rock slide. > > Personally I would prefer "f

Re: [Tagging] RFC Update - Hazard Proposal - rock/land fall/slide

7;t think there would be much controversy that the hazard exists, signed or not - and probably ought to be indicated. The place is close to the city of Schenectady, and many people come out unprepared for the conditions. Technical rescues are common, and every few years someone suffers a f

Re: [Tagging] The saga of landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir

. I'm not going to change it back. But I'm not going to accept that the original tagging was "incorrect" or "deprecated". I mapped what I saw. You can go there and see it too. To continue the classification of waterbodies, this argument to me is a tempest in a teapot. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] The saga of landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir

derstand it, don't map it." I understand it well enough to know that as a greenwater canoeist, I'll want to portage around it. I can see the whitewater. I cannot grade it safely. Here, however, the community consensus appears to have settled on the perfectionist approach, so I don't map rapids. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] The saga of landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir

rendering. https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/42.4601/-74.4525 https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/42.4769/-74.4393 Many smaller reservoirs have artificially hardened shorelines completely surrounding them, which could be why you thought that the symbology distinguishes 'lake' from 'rese

Re: [Tagging] The saga of landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir

cause the previous discussion had caused me to label this feature mentally as, "OSM doesn't want this mapped." -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] The saga of landuse=reservoir vs water=reservoir

ing into OSM. I've managed imports before. I might again. I'm not going to attempt one on this scale, particularly when I'm not certain about the data quality. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Definition of lake/pond as applied to stream/plunge pools

f fresh water, navigable by pleasure boats. If someone else wants to try to fill in the geologic details, be my guest! I might tag as `waterway=riverbank` (the commonest usage around here) if there's no good reason not to keep the plunge pool separate from the river, as at

Re: [Tagging] Fuzzy areas again: should we have them or not?

e solution must be to foist the problem off on an external database. All geodata are approximate. To say that anything with imprecision doesn't belong in OSM is to open the door to endless haggling over how good the survey must be before data meet OSM's standards. Is that the path we wan

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addr:interpolation on closed ways and nodes

ag added in order not to break routing and navigation there? -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Fuzzy areas again: should we have them or not?

mapping outdoor recreation. Note that this particular project is very much US-specific, owing to the fact that I'm building it from US-specific data sources, and its iconography is also distinctly USAian, but I think the principles could apply anywhere. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___

Re: [Tagging] Definition of lake/pond as applied to stream/plunge pools

On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 1:08 PM Paul Allen wrote: > On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 at 17:28, Kevin Kenny wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 7:17 AM Paul Allen wrote: >> >> British anglers must be different from American ones. Most fishermen that >> I know don't want

Re: [Tagging] Definition of lake/pond as applied to stream/plunge pools

en't to fish. (Note the adjacent presence of https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/429194108.) I can easily see how 'access=private', 'access=fee' and so on would apply to fishing spots. I just haven't had occasion to map any. You're right that I haven't ma

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble

ike me. Whose definition of 'scramble' should prevail? Disclaimer. I'm terrible at climbing. I decided a long time ago that I was going to stay terrible at climbing because the folks who get good at climbing seem to have an unfortunate habit of winding up dead. I have a good time Out There limiting myself to 'technical hiking' as opposed to 'real climbing.' -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble

ale." I don't usually bother breaking up a way by scale if there are no intersections or PoI's along it. There may be flat spots in among the scrambles, and I generally don't bother trying to distinguish them. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin _

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble

d `sac_scale=no` for `paved path in a city park`? -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] service vs. unclassified, conflicting definitions

Another exception in New England, particularly, is that some states (especially New Hampshire and Vermont) have a non-trivial number of driveways that are privately maintained but in whole or part legally public right of ways. In some cases, three public right of way continues past the maintained p

Re: [Tagging] building=entrance

to raise issues with the various editors, since JOSM at least has never warned me of underspecified tagging on these. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] amenity=bbq without grill/grate ?

It makes sense to me if the feature is clearly intended to be a BBQ/grilling one, but the grill is missing. One such example that comes to mind is a state park with picnic tables and grill boxes where 1/3 of the latter are missing the grills. On Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 08:14 Matija Nalis < mnalis-opens

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

I'm all for harmonizing, as well - but let's bear in mind that in some places, a 'walking' route and a 'hiking' route may be distinct concepts, partly in terms of accessibility. If a walking route can be managed by Grandpa with his cane and two-year-old granddaughter in tow, that's hardly what an A

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 7:35 AM Paul Allen wrote: > Hard agree. Even though it's starting to look like I live in the only country > in the world with a national classification system that is logical and > internally consistent (and even we have a few rare exceptional cases). :) The US certainly

Re: [Tagging] Gorges, Canyons, Ravines: natural=valley or new tag?

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:34 AM Michael Patrick wrote: > 4. These folks have their own 'Encyclopedia of Geomorphology', which gives > detailed explanations of what sorts of observable features define a term, and > where terms overlap. ( See page 486 'Ravines and Gullies at > http://bit.ly/2YJc

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

ith recent versions of WMT.) -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 1:40 PM s8evq wrote: > Just to be clear: are you still talking about hiking/walking routes? Or > public transport? Because, as far as I know, there is no clear explanation in > the wiki why forward/backward should be used in hiking routes. I had one locally where the bla

Re: [Tagging] Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, route=hiking, route=foot and Walking routes

ands Trail, the Finger Lakes Trail, and the North Country Trail. Other long trails exist and are blazed consistently: for example, the Northville-Placid Trail and Shawangunk Ridge Trail are blue for their entire length, and the Appalachian Trail carries its distinctive rectangular white blazes.)

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

hese things much less often. "Be strict in what you emit and permissive in what you accept" is a reasonably good principle for data interchange in general. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - protection_class=* (Words, not numeric codes)

this list and the talk page for the Wiki page for comments, and try to address whatever comes up. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] roads with many names

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 12:28 PM Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Rob Savoye wrote: > > Where I live in rural Colorado, many of the roads have 3 names. > > The county designated one like "CR 2", but often have an alternate > > name everyone uses like "Corkscrew Gulch Road", and then many > > have a US F

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 3:31 PM Peter Elderson wrote: > I'm afraid testing is all I can offer. I could list problems to detect, but I > think I would not be telling you news. Very important: handle nested > relations (hierarchies). RA currently does not. Uhm, yeah, that's a problem. For what it

Re: [Tagging] roads with many names

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 11:30 PM Rob Savoye wrote: > > Tag *names*, by contrast, use an underscore instead of a space. > > Kevin Kenny's comment above indicates what appears to be the > > consensus on the tag name(s) in the USA. So in theory you might have > > ref:U

[Tagging] Forward/backward routes

allows software to produce the skeleton of the route book. I started with the output of a PostgreSQL query when I wrote the initial draft of http://www.nptrail.org/trip-planning/section-descriptions-and-mileages/ (I found several gross errors in the 'official' route book that

[Tagging] Branched and alternative roujtes

) - the guideline provided me no way to 'rough out' features that I'd observed in the field without needing to return for more observations. (Or worse, provided no way to map the object without doing research at home because information needed for conformance was not observable in the

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

he misfortune of developing applications in that sort of political environment. They were less than 100% successful.) Of course, I write this as a grumpy old man, so take my comment as senile raving if you wish. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Roles of route members (was: Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking, ...)

tive, since there seems still to be no shortage of warthog piglets. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Forward/backward routes

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 6:05 PM Volker Schmidt wrote: > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 15:21, Kevin Kenny wrote: >> ... when the forward/backward roles do not indicate the direction of travel, >> as is the case with bicycle routes. That was Peter Elderson, not me, so I'll defer to

Re: [Tagging] Garmin waypoints and routes (was: "Roles of route members" and before that "Merging tagging scheme on wiki pages of Hiking")

ning permission or write an environmental impact statement. Moreover, once you are more than a few km from the nearest highway, all trails get pretty approximate. I have the impression that trails in your part of the world are a lot better defined and maintained. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin _

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - protection_class=* (Words, not numeric codes)

s to document the IP rating of electrical enclosures they > map. The only > thing we really need to worry about is namespace collision, and that's > usually dealt with by > a first-come/first-served approach. > >> Let's see if Kevin wishes to take care of this &g

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - protection_class=* (Words, not numeric codes)

o stretch 'wilderness' to include a few things like 'Primitive Bicycle Corridor' (a narrow strip carved out of a wilderness area that effectively has the same management except that it's permissible to harden a trail sufficiently to accommodate a mountain bike rider). To the level of granularity contemplated here, all of these are 'wilderness'. I have the protection title and legal citation available if I need them. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - protection_class=* (Words, not numeric codes)

iving Pembrokeshire Coast National Park as a UK precedent for a 'national park that isnt a National Park, and it's complicated.') 'If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck but needs batteries, you probably have the wrong abstraction.' - B. Liskov -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

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