On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 10:10 AM Paul Allen <pla16...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, we already have fee and access which can cope with these things. > What we didn't have was an understanding in the US that such tags > were even applicable or that anyone might wish to map fishing > features on rivers, especially pools that don't "bulge" enough to > be obvious from aerial imagery but which are obvious from > detailed measurement (using, say, a rod, line and float) on > the ground. The legislation affects the degree to which > such details become public knowledge. > Yeah... but... Don't think we don't understand that we can apply the tags; we just don't often need them. The New York State-owned lands have pretty uniform rules for hunting and fishing; for these, I follow 'don't tag the local legislation'. The New York City ones vary all over the place, and the import of those tags them specifically. For instance, in the case of https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/481482895 there is, `foot=hunting;fishing' - public foot access allowed only for the stated purposes. 'hunting=permit fishing=permit trapping=no' - a permit is required for hunting or fishing; the setting of traps is prohibited. `NYSDEC:wildlife_management_unit=3H` - the specific state Wildlife Management Unit that hunters must consult. `website=*` - link to lots more information, including, of course, how a permit may be obtained. https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6304851 has similar tagging, but declares that you don't need a permit to fish there. (Or to enter on foot for other reasons, but I find it hard to imagine why you'd want to go plooshing about in that marsh if it weren't to fish.) We do have facilities devoted to fishing access, such as https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6396542 -- which doesn't render because there's no good "tag for the renderer" approach. (That one's not got access constraints shown because it's free to all comers; of course, anglers over 16 need a state fishing license.) Essentially all of our Wildlife Management Areas are devoted to the preservation of habitat for game fish and for wild game for hunters. ( https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6367671 is an example. There are a great many of these.) Once again, these are free to all comers. These are supported financially by the revenue from the sale of hunting and fishing licenses and by a tax on arms and ammunition. There are some of our State Forests, for example https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7229593, that I can't imagine why you'd trouble to visit if it weren't to fish. (Note the adjacent presence of https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/429194108.) I can easily see how 'access=private', 'access=fee' and so on would apply to fishing spots. I just haven't had occasion to map any. You're right that I haven't mapped a lot of specific fishing spots, but that's partly because they're so numerous. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin
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