Re: [Tagging] Formerly proposed highways

2011-05-01 Thread John Smith
On 2 May 2011 06:28, Andrew Cleveland wrote: > Hi, > > Can the highway=proposed tag apply to highways which were proposed but > are no longer? As in the road was never constructed and the proposal was > abandoned? The wiki says the tag is for "roads that are about to be > built, but where any cons

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 May 2011 02:02, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > To reduce the danger of edit wars: what about _not_ defining the > events explicitly "significant" (most of German Wikipedia disputes are > about "relevance criteria" and I'd rather avoid similar discussions in > OSM if possible). Of course we all

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-02 Thread John Smith
After digging further into this, and with all XAPI servers seemingly unresponsive I looked toward tagwatch, the following are historic values of curious note: yes (5053) pa (2138) battlefield (331) Altstraße (80) heritage (76) tumulus (60) industrial (54) coat_of_arms (54) hollow_way (41) road (3

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-03 Thread John Smith
I think it is what it is, adding a subtag such as robbery or battlefield etc but I already documented this on the wiki On 5/3/11, Pieren wrote: > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:59 AM, John Smith wrote: > >> Personally I think historic=yes isn't a good idea, since you have to >>

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread John Smith
Even if historic=event is removed from the wiki, and even if historic=battlefield is removed I doubt it will stop people mapping these locations, they are important to people, and people have already shown that there are physical places that can be mapped. In fact the only thing that will be accom

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 May 2011 00:50, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/5/5 John Smith : >> Even if historic=event is removed from the wiki, and even if >> historic=battlefield is removed I doubt it will stop people mapping >> these locations, they are important to people, and people have

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 May 2011 00:59, Pieren wrote: > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:30 PM, John Smith > wrote: >> >> In fact the only thing that will be accomplished by removing >> references on the wiki is people will use multiple key/value pairs for >> the same type of object because t

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 May 2011 01:09, Andre Engels wrote: > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:54 PM, John Smith wrote: > >>> Yes, they already do use it: >>> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/historic%3Aevent#values >> >> No, I meant more like historic=pa >> >> I ha

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 May 2011 01:34, Simone Saviolo wrote: > 2011/5/5 John Smith >> >> On 6 May 2011 01:09, Andre Engels wrote: >>  > Unless you are in New Zealand, you're unlikely to tag the same thing: >> > It's being used for a Maori fortress, see >> > h

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 May 2011 04:15, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > e.g. there is a place in Rome which is said to be the locus where > Julius Cesar was stabbed by Brutus. I find this interesting and I I hadn't thought about assassinations, but all it took was an assassination to kick start World War 1, yes there

Re: [Tagging] Requirements for proposals and voting to be valid

2011-05-11 Thread John Smith
On 11 May 2011 23:04, Richard Mann wrote: > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Chris Hill wrote: >> The wiki should be a place to document the various parts of OSM, and for >> things like software it can be useful. For tags, however, it is getting >> steadily more and more complex and confusing and

Re: [Tagging] Vote / Opinion poll about history=event

2011-05-12 Thread John Smith
Out of boredom I tried to think up all the non-physical tags currently in wide spread use: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:historic%3Devent#Why_even_obscure_tags_should_be_documented_if_they_are_likely_to_be_mapped.21 I doubt the list is exhaustive, but these are obviously important t

[Tagging] Fwd: tower:type=lighting proposal

2011-05-27 Thread John Smith
"I propose the following new tag {{tag|tower:type|lighting}} as follows:" http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tag:man_made%3Dtower&diff=next&oldid=639593 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetma

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tower:type=lighting proposal

2011-05-31 Thread John Smith
On 1 June 2011 01:36, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > IMHO both are not really "towers". I'd consider the "tower" John > proposes as a kind of lightning device that is not a tower (although > being cantilevered). Not my proposal... ___ Tagging mailing lis

Re: [Tagging] fire alarms

2011-06-04 Thread John Smith
On 4 June 2011 17:02, Martijn van Exel wrote: > I don't know of any, but I would go with emergency=phone, and specify > maybe in another tag phone=fire_alarm or some such thing. > The description of emergency=phone includes 'making calls to emergency > services' so it is not necessarily restricted

Re: [Tagging] fire alarms

2011-06-04 Thread John Smith
On 4 June 2011 17:10, John Smith wrote: > On 4 June 2011 17:02, Martijn van Exel wrote: >> I don't know of any, but I would go with emergency=phone, and specify >> maybe in another tag phone=fire_alarm or some such thing. >> The description of emergency=phone includes

Re: [Tagging] fire alarms

2011-06-04 Thread John Smith
On 4 June 2011 17:44, Martijn van Exel wrote: > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 9:10 AM, John Smith wrote: >> On 4 June 2011 17:02, Martijn van Exel wrote: >>> I don't know of any, but I would go with emergency=phone, and specify >>> maybe in another tag phone=fire_a

Re: [Tagging] fire alarms

2011-06-05 Thread John Smith
On 5 June 2011 23:58, fly wrote: > As a proposal you can almost added it the same way on the wiki as a > approved tag and you can change anything that might not work or find a > better solution while testing. I've done this in the past and set the status to defacto, rather than approved. ___

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Club

2011-06-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 June 2011 10:08, David Murn wrote: > In Australia, 'going to the club' means (generally) going to a licenced > members-only venue, often associated with sports but generally not where > sports are played.  www.clubsvic.com.au and www.clubsnsw.com.au for > example (second one requires some pro

Re: [Tagging] Paint your own pottery

2011-06-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 June 2011 06:21, Dave F. wrote: > Hi > > Another query... > > http://www.crockadoodledo.co.uk/ > > it's a place where you can create your own design on crockery such as > plates,mugs etc. > > it's not really a craft shop as it doesn't sell supplies just the kiln fired > end product. craft d

Re: [Tagging] Pet supplies store but doesn't sell animals

2011-06-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 June 2011 06:16, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Dave F. wrote: >> Hi >> >> Is there a specific tag for pet supplies (food, collars, chew toys etc) > > I'm used to pet stores being ambigious, and don' have a problem with > that. But I'd say shop=pet_supplies is be

Re: [Tagging] Pet supplies store but doesn't sell animals

2011-06-11 Thread John Smith
On 12 June 2011 02:33, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > The problem with these types of proposals, of N levels of depth of a > tag, is that they quickly become complex, and thus get unused. > > You, Dr. Who, are proposing changing shop=pets to now: > > shop=pets > animals:fish=yes > > and > > shop=pets >

Re: [Tagging] Pet supplies store but doesn't sell animals

2011-06-12 Thread John Smith
On 12 June 2011 14:04, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > I'll elaborate on why this is a bad idea: > > 1. It's a lot of tags Only if you want it to be, just like some people tagging trees, most won't so this isn't an issue > 2. It won't get used in real life Never assume this, after all how many trees

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10

2011-06-25 Thread John Smith
On 25 June 2011 20:47, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/6/25 John Smith : >> Wasn't there some discussion about that before, how important airports >> such as LAX should show sooner than regional airports which should >> show up sooner than grass airstrips. >

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10

2011-06-25 Thread John Smith
On 26 June 2011 02:38, Alan Millar wrote: > As has been said a number of times, OSM is a "do-ocracy". At this point, > more discussions just aren't going to resolve it. A little discussion might allow us to harmonise tags, so 10 people don't go off and do their own thing and then need to make m

[Tagging] More granular tagging of airports

2011-06-26 Thread John Smith
For those that missed the email that came up on talk this week, someone has imported a lot of airports and so on for NZ and it looks horrible because they show at z10: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-37.243&lon=175.014&zoom=10&layers=M Looking through the wiki I found this proposal: http://wi

Re: [Tagging] unless someone objects: amenity=truck_rental

2011-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2011 08:50, Richard Welty wrote: > i'll add this alongside car_rental and bicycle_rental unless > someone makes a strong case against it. there are many > truck_rental sites in the US (common brands are UHaul, > Penske, and Ryder). Or the better question, why should these remain as ame

Re: [Tagging] mapping static museum ships

2011-07-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 July 2011 19:56, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > http://www.23hq.com/dieterdreist/photo/5585874 That jogged my memory, this one is about 250m above sealevel... and cemented into the ground... http://linus.it.uts.edu.au/~don/big/submarine.jpg ___ Ta

Re: [Tagging] unless someone objects: amenity=truck_rental

2011-08-01 Thread John Smith
On 1 August 2011 12:00, Steve Bennett wrote: > amenity=car_rental > rental:truck=yes > > Works now and in the future. You could always dual tag and at some point in the future have a bot clean things up. > shop=rental > rental:plant=yes* > > Works in the future. > > Steve > * "plant" meaning equ

Re: [Tagging] How to tag destroyed stuff?

2011-08-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 August 2011 11:51, Steve Bennett wrote: > There are two pedestrian/bicycle bridges in my area that were > destroyed by a storm earlier in the year. What's the best way to tag > them? Ideally, a renderer should be able to use the information to > draw a big red X or something - there's quite a

Re: [Tagging] How to tag destroyed stuff?

2011-08-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 August 2011 14:30, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:06 PM, John Smith wrote: >> How is this fundementally different than any other disused bridge? > > Overnight destruction is noteworthy, whereas slow decay into disuse is > not. There are signs and safety b

Re: [Tagging] Light rail station

2011-08-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 August 2011 14:59, Martijn van Exel wrote: > Hi all, > A light rail stop, would that be a railway=tram_stop or a railway=station? Light rail is nearly always, if not always, trams... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists

Re: [Tagging] Mapping a negative

2011-11-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 November 2011 16:12, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > I've run into a curious use of a tag, to map the lack of a thing. > At least that's what I think mappers are doing. > > One might normally expect a well, mountain hut, highway rest area, or toilet > to offer drinking water. Some mappers have placed:

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Instead of voting

2009-10-08 Thread John Smith
2009/10/9 Lester Caine : > Russ Nelson wrote: >> I considered doing so, but this issue is larger than tagging.  Do you >> have anything to contribute other than stop energy to my suggestion? >> >> Apollinaris Schoell writes: >>  > can you move this thread to the new list where it belongs? > > I agr

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it'snot built yet

2009-10-10 Thread John Smith
2009/10/11 Anthony : > That's my point though.  I'm not sure we should allow "proposed" or > "historical" data unless and until OSM supports the features of > traditional layers.  Perhaps there is a way to be smarter about it > (allow links between layers but warn when they are broken), but I'm > n

[Tagging] How to tag house numbers based on decametres?

2009-10-10 Thread John Smith
I can't think of a good solution for this, a few years ago they renumbered all properties along roads outside of residential areas to be the distance in decametres (10s of metres, 100m would be #10 etc) from the start of the road, they also have even on the right, odd on the left, this makes it eas

Re: [Tagging] How to tag house numbers based on decametres?

2009-10-10 Thread John Smith
2009/10/11 Liz : > On Sun, 11 Oct 2009, John Smith wrote: >> I can't think of a good solution for this, a few years ago they >> renumbered all properties along roads outside of residential areas to >> be the distance in decametres (10s of metres, 100m would be #10 etc

Re: [Tagging] How to tag house numbers based on decametres?

2009-10-11 Thread John Smith
2009/10/11 SLXViper : > John Smith wrote: >> I can't think of a good solution for this, a few years ago they >> renumbered all properties along roads outside of residential areas to >> be the distance in decametres (10s of metres, 100m would be #10 etc) >> from

Re: [Tagging] Housenumber interpolation with regularly skipped numbers

2009-10-11 Thread John Smith
2009/10/11 Richard Bullock : >> In an interpolation, the number of houses is unknown. > > > The wiki page for the Karlsruhe Schema on interpolation has said this since > the day it was created; > > "For missing house-numbers (e.g. missing "12") two ways need to be drawn > (e.g. "1-11" and "13-25").

Re: [Tagging] How to tag house numbers based on decametres?

2009-10-12 Thread John Smith
2009/10/12 Simone Saviolo : > If it's only a problem of routing, wouldn't it be better to let the router > do the job? The way would have to be tagged with something like > "numbering=distance", with the correct orientation (from start to end), and > then it would be easy for a program to find out

Re: [Tagging] How to tag house numbers based on decametres?

2009-10-12 Thread John Smith
2009/10/12 Cartinus : > On Monday 12 October 2009 14:34:42 Anthony wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:15 AM, John Smith > wrote: >> > The only problem then is how to tag the start/end of a numbering >> > section, based on that document major roads are broken

Re: [Tagging] How to tag house numbers based on decametres?

2009-10-12 Thread John Smith
2009/10/12 Anthony : > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:15 AM, John Smith wrote: >> The only problem then is how to tag the start/end of a numbering >> section, based on that document major roads are broken up into >> sections of 100km. > > Relation: node for start, node for e

Re: [Tagging] How to tag house numbers based on decametres?

2009-10-12 Thread John Smith
2009/10/12 Cartinus : > And how are you going to find the start and end of those sections without > surveying? You won't, not unless you have some external data to import (and > you didn't mention anything about that). Long sections of highways are an exception rather than the rule, and more likel

Re: [Tagging] How to tag house numbers based on decametres?

2009-10-12 Thread John Smith
2009/10/12 Anthony : > Surveying a few points every 100km is easier than surveying every > house.  And it's likely that most of the starting/end points will > already be in the database (e.g. the intersection of X Street and Y > Street). > Most roads won't be 100km long, and the start points will

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/13 Martin Koppenhoefer : > 2009/10/13 Gilles Corlobé : >> Hello everybody, >> >> I propose to add a tag "boundary=military" : the problem is that, with the >> existing tags, it's almost impossible to mark correctly lots of data, like >> (non limitative list) forest, scholl, parking lot, … >

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/13 Martin Koppenhoefer : > 2009/10/13 John Smith : >>> This does not sound completely strange, but still incorporates some >>> problems (all currently tagged landuse=military will get deprecated). >>> I don't see the big problem here, as you can >&g

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Visual map for the blind

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/13 : > I would love to agree, but the needs of disabled persons are widely spread > over our tagging scheme anyway, and awareness of objects that refer to > accessibility is nearly zero. > There are categories for visual, hearing and walking impariment, colletcted > in the category "ac

Re: [Tagging] [talk-au] How to tag a non-existent road

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/14 Sam Vekemans : > Ok, so my big question is: > Why are your property boundaries rendered with solid fill? > Its not indicating land use, and should be rendered as a > 'dash-dot-dot-dash' line. > (at least thats how i remember it from drafting class) > > So if the property boundaries arnt

Re: [Tagging] [talk-au] How to tag a non-existent road

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/14 Sam Vekemans : > But of course the landuse us 'unknown' by default. .. so what needs to be > done is to go around and find out what the actual landuse is. > ... of course there are voids there are voids all over the map of black > space. :) Swing and a miss... The property boundary

Re: [Tagging] [talk-au] How to tag a non-existent road

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
I made another example: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/images/5/5d/Dcdb-example.png It's clearer in this screen shot (using JOSM, JOSM has a black background so the transparent pixels are black) exactly what runs down the middle of these voids. ___ Tagg

Re: [Tagging] [talk-au] How to tag a non-existent road

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/14 John Smith : > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/images/5/5d/Dcdb-example.png Here's the after shot: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/images/b/bf/Dcdb-example2.png ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstree

Re: [Tagging] [talk-au] How to tag a non-existent road

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/14 Sam Vekemans : > Then the yellow must be all the "landuse=residential" then :) In this instance I'd guess the same thing, but without a survey we won't know for sure. > As land use can extend past the property boundary, were there is an easment. Easements show up as a void also, altho

Re: [Tagging] highway=raceway?

2009-10-14 Thread John Smith
2009/10/14 Ulf Möller : > Hello, > > highway=raceway has recently been added to the Map Features page because > it had been added to the Mapnik rendering rules a few months earlier, > but there is no information available about the tag. > > Could someone who knows the details create a wiki page for

Re: [Tagging] highway=raceway?

2009-10-14 Thread John Smith
2009/10/14 Dave F. : > John Smith wrote: >> I assume it's for vehicles, as the map features list horse racing and >> sports as leisure=track, sport=* >> > I think it's for all types: motor,horse, dog, snails etc. > > I see leisure=track, sport=* as the

Re: [Tagging] highway=raceway?

2009-10-14 Thread John Smith
2009/10/14 Dave F. : > Advocating what? The naming or the fact I see it as two entities? Two very similarly named tags that don't seem to be distinct enough unless you read the wiki, if that's what it comes down to. > There definitely needs to be a distinction in the tagging to allow for > differ

Re: [Tagging] kosher amenities

2009-10-15 Thread John Smith
2009/10/16 Edoardo 'Yossef' Marascalchi : > Hi everybody, > as i'm keeping a strict kosher life, i'm interested in mapping the > kosher status of any food related amenity big_smile > > any restourant, butcher, ice cream shop, candy shop, bakery and so on > could be a kosher place and i would be abl

Re: [Tagging] kosher amenities

2009-10-15 Thread John Smith
2009/10/16 Edoardo 'Yossef' Marascalchi : > John Smith ha scritto: >> There is no kosher tag there. >> >> > there is now.. i just sent the mail before to add it .. :D > >> I'd just tag the place as: >> >> kosher=yes >> hallal=yes

Re: [Tagging] kosher amenities

2009-10-16 Thread John Smith
2009/10/16 Lennard : > John Smith wrote: > >> So... >> >> kosher=yes >> kosher=rabbanut >> kosher=badatz > > Thanks for stating the bleeding obvious, I would never have thought of > this myself. > > > BTW: It's perfectly alright to use

Re: [Tagging] kosher amenities

2009-10-16 Thread John Smith
2009/10/16 Lennard : > John Smith wrote: >> No need for sarcasim either, if you don't want to see it again get a >> better MUA that hides it... At least that's what people are told when >> their MUA doesn't support other features... > > Some people just do

Re: [Tagging] kosher amenities

2009-10-16 Thread John Smith
2009/10/16 Lennard : > Stephen Hope wrote: > >> Maybe where you come from, they write it that way. Not near me they >> don't. And seeing as it is an English transliteration of a foreign >> language term, don't expect consistency in spelling.  I've lived in > > Where is 'near me', then? > >> countri

Re: [Tagging] schools

2009-10-16 Thread John Smith
2009/10/16 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) : > tenant=). If there are more parties in the chain then its not so difficult > to think of appropriate tags. And as you say, if the role is governance, > then an administrator= tag might work. I think you may have similfied things a little too much, an

[Tagging] The current problem with tagging

2009-10-18 Thread John Smith
I've been mulling this over in the last few days, but it appears to me the biggest issue at present is one of documentation, specifically putting things into context and more importantly making them easily found. So far nothing seem to fulfill the above criteria, the wiki allows people to easily d

Re: [Tagging] The current problem with tagging

2009-10-18 Thread John Smith
2009/10/18 Mike N. : >> From there if an API could be created for editors we could do things >> like mousing over a tag in JOSM/potlatch then throws up a page of text >> describing the tag. >> >> Any tags the are entered that aren't in the database could generate a >> prompt asking people to docume

Re: [Tagging] The current problem with tagging

2009-10-18 Thread John Smith
My main points from my original post still stands, I feel that the wiki is inadequate to deal with the task of maintaining an index of tag definitions properly, it is simply too much effort to be useful for less common tags because you have to spend too much time searching which takes time away fro

Re: [Tagging] The current problem with tagging

2009-10-18 Thread John Smith
2009/10/19 Mike N. : >  The case I run into is "How do I  tag y" - the wiki is well laid out, but > the answer is often not as accessible as it should be.  I tried to tag law > offices in a meaningful way.  Searching for Lawyer, Legal, Barrister even in > the proposed pages brought up nothing.  I c

Re: [Tagging] The current problem with tagging

2009-10-18 Thread John Smith
I've coded up a VERY VERY basic proof of concept: http://tags.bigtincan.com So far you can search for a specific tag name, view the description of the tag, add a tag and add values for a tag and a description of the value. As an example I added the 'highway' tag, and 'motorway' value and copied

Re: [Tagging] The current problem with tagging

2009-10-19 Thread John Smith
I wrote up a wiki page, including a possible feature set. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Machine_Readable_Tagging_API ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] The current problem with tagging

2009-10-19 Thread John Smith
2009/10/19 Martin Koppenhoefer : > 2009/10/18 Liz : >> As a new mapper, about 2 years ago, I thought that the only POIs OSM >> collected >> were pubs post offices, banks and other things that were in the editor. >> I didn't get the slightest hint from the wiki front page that there were >> options

Re: [Tagging] The current problem with tagging

2009-10-19 Thread John Smith
2009/10/19 Martin Koppenhoefer : > 1. mapfeatures Only covers a very limited subset of tags. > 2. wiki-search Due to the wiki being used for everything this is very ineffective at times, do a search for lawyer... > 3. (OSM-Doc / tagwatch) Only gives a single key pair, doesn't highlight combina

Re: [Tagging] The current problem with tagging

2009-10-19 Thread John Smith
2009/10/19 Martin Koppenhoefer : > In case that you have to invent a new key, it is obvious that more > work is involved, in order to make it good. Which is what I'm trying to figure out :) (and why I started this thread) The current system is widely criticised, but no one has suggested a better

Re: [Tagging] The current problem with tagging

2009-10-19 Thread John Smith
2009/10/19 Martin Koppenhoefer : > is an exception, there are not many exceptions though, and as soon as > a key:layer-page pops up, (e.g. set up by those who write continuously > about this lack in this list), it will be solved. This requires an out of band work process, that is stop mapping and

Re: [Tagging] The current problem with tagging

2009-10-19 Thread John Smith
2009/10/19 Tobias Knerr : > Whether you try to continue that Semantic MediaWiki approach that has > been suggested some time ago > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Semantic_MediaWiki > or create your own app for browsing/searching (probably using the API > (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/api.php)

Re: [Tagging] The current problem with tagging

2009-10-19 Thread John Smith
2009/10/19 Tobias Knerr : > When I look at the problem, reimplementing all those features I've > mentioned is a lot more effort than writing a wiki text parser. The biggest problem is achieving consistency, how could you get that with the wiki, it's not designed to be machine parsible it's designe

Re: [Tagging] The current problem with tagging

2009-10-19 Thread John Smith
2009/10/19 Erik Johansson : > On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:55 PM, John Smith wrote: >> 2009/10/19 Tobias Knerr : >>> When I look at the problem, reimplementing all those features I've >>> mentioned is a lot more effort than writing a wiki text parser. >&g

Re: [Tagging] The current problem with tagging

2009-10-19 Thread John Smith
2009/10/19 Tobias Knerr : > I just think that duplicating information that is already present in the > wiki or could easily be added to it (texts describing the meaning of > tags, images and some basic information such as the "Element" and > "Useful combination" sections from the default templates)

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread John Smith
2009/10/20 Martin Koppenhoefer : > 2009/10/20 John Smith : >> There is probably a good reason only tourist attractions are mapped >> because you wouldn't be allowed to go near one unless you worked >> there, there is a mine shaft on the other side of town but I wouldn

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread John Smith
2009/10/21 Martin Koppenhoefer : > 2009/10/20 John Smith : >> If most of the world only has low res sat imagery, and shaft heads >> usually are only a few pixels wide on low res, so how do you mark them >> if you can't get close to them? > > please stop it, what is

Re: [Tagging] Implied oneway tag for highway=*_link, wiki edits

2009-11-28 Thread John Smith
2009/11/28 Pieren : > excepted in some cases in US. The problem with implied values is when > it is not true for a whole country and not only in a small number of > exceptions. Then the default is country specific and should be > documented separetely in the wiki for each country. Then it will be

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-02 Thread John Smith
2009/12/3 James Livingston : > * In France, if you are walking your bike you're considered a pedestrian. So > it's a footpath Same thing applies in a number of Australian states, you are supposed to dismount and walk your bike across pedestrian crossings.

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-03 Thread John Smith
2009/12/4 Steve Bennett : > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Cartinus wrote: >> >> They wouldn't fit on the escalators anyway ;) >> > > As in, bicycle=carriage_prohibited. Maybe that's an australian use. Actually > now that I google it, I guess "carriage" means, taking it on a train or > something.

Re: [Tagging] bicycle=no

2009-12-05 Thread John Smith
2009/12/6 James Livingston : > I'd hope that bicycle=no would have the same implications for having a > bicycle without riding it as other *=no tags would for their transports. For > example I would guess that where horse=no is used, you often can't walk your > horse as well as not riding it. So ma

Re: [Tagging] Government buildings

2009-12-06 Thread John Smith
2009/12/7 Steve Bennett : > On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Craig Wallace wrote: >> >> I think this shows that an "office=" tag would be useful, per the thread >> on the talk list about lawyers/architects etc. eg for your example 1 >> could be office=politician, and 2 and 3 could be office=govern

Re: [Tagging] Coastlines and structures

2009-12-09 Thread John Smith
2009/12/9 Liz : > Just as well you were only kidding, because this method isn't going to work > worldwide. Especially where the water table has been drained and sailinity is an issue :) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.ope

Re: [Tagging] A second step towards bringing the wiki and tool support closer together

2009-12-09 Thread John Smith
2009/12/10 Steve Bennett : > Anyone know why this is? Perhaps a hack implemented before > was invented or something? Why would it need to filter? The SQL query is pretty specific and I'm guessing the zoom levels are sane as well. ___ Tagging mailing l

Re: [Tagging] Tag highway that goes through/under a building

2009-12-26 Thread John Smith
2009/12/27 Roy Wallace : > How to tag a highway that goes through/under a building? In this > example, the service road is incorrectly rendered in mapnik as being > on top of the building, despite the building having layer=1: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/316607432 I can see things li

Re: [Tagging] Tag highway that goes through/under a building

2009-12-27 Thread John Smith
2009/12/27 Roy Wallace : > therefore there must be some tag I have missed)? Are there really no > ways already mapped (and rendered correctly) that pass through a > building? Undercover service=parking_aisle's, for example? No? Probably not, at least not buildings, since most of the time it's diff

Re: [Tagging] Why using place=city for legal status is a bad idea

2009-12-27 Thread John Smith
2009/12/28 : > Using tagged population figures as a substitute to guide renderers has > been suggested but it brings its own problems because people will expect > them to be more broadly useful and figures may either be out of date or it > may be unclear what area is being counted. We don't use p

Re: [Tagging] Tag highway that goes through/under a building

2009-12-27 Thread John Smith
2009/12/28 Roy Wallace : > Is it? Can you explain why? Conceptually, all you need is layer=* and > the ability to detect the overlap of the building=yes area and the > highway=* way. But I guess you're saying this is hard to encode with > "render rules"? This may need to be fixed on osm2pgsql to h

Re: [Tagging] Tag highway that goes through/under a building

2009-12-28 Thread John Smith
2009/12/29 Randy : > As far as rendering is concerned, neither layering nor covered is properly > rendered at this time on any of the renders that I'm aware of. Did you file a request for enhancement against mapnik for covered? ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Should 'highway=incline[_steep]' be discouraged?

2009-12-29 Thread John Smith
2009/12/29 Frederik Ramm : > But isn't that the case with lots of nodes? The "place=city name=London" > node, does it describe something that "is the node itself", or rather > lend a name to all that is around it? The node should be part of a relation/boundary describing the area that London is co

[Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-05 Thread John Smith
Currently there is discussion on using relations to group segments of a highway occurring: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2599 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-05 Thread John Smith
>> Alex Mauer writes: >> >>> On 01/05/2010 01:32 PM, John Smith wrote: >>>> Currently there is discussion on using relations to group segments of >>>> a highway occurring: >>>> >>>> http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/2599 >>&

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-05 Thread John Smith
ssesing in osm2pgsql to assign a shield based on admin polygons + info from the lookup table On 06/01/2010, Alex Mauer wrote: > On 01/05/2010 05:23 PM, John Smith wrote: >> I'm talking about people adding network=us_ny_ny_co > > I’ve never seen that, either in use or anywhere in wik

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-06 Thread John Smith
2010/1/7 Matthias Julius : > John Smith writes: > >> As for the shields this is deviating from the topic at hand but for it >> the shield can be derived from the lookup table on the wiki and then >> extra preprossesing in osm2pgsql to assign a shield based on admin >

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-06 Thread John Smith
2010/1/7 Matthias Julius : > You want to parse the wiki page from within osm2pgsql?  I am not so sure > that's a good idea.  I think it should read that information from a > local file (which can be updated from the wiki by an independent tool). For all it matters, the raw wiki page could be cache

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-06 Thread John Smith
2010/1/7 Matthias Julius : > John Smith writes: > >> Well relations aren't ways, the ways go through/under/ buildings. > > Do they?  Did I miss something?  Last I know is that they are rendered > on top of buildings even if they are on a lower layer. How is that rend

Re: [Tagging] Using relations to group highways

2010-01-07 Thread John Smith
2010/1/8 Matthias Julius : > John Smith writes: > >> 2010/1/7 Matthias Julius : >>> John Smith writes: >>> >>>> Well relations aren't ways, the ways go through/under/ buildings. >>> >>> Do they?  Did I miss something?  Last I kn

Re: [Tagging] Easy question: _link tags for U turn/cut throughs?

2010-01-11 Thread John Smith
2010/1/12 Anthony : > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: >> >> Can you picture a use case where it matters >> whether police=yes is set? > > Not really.  But at least it's harmless. > >> >> All emergency services will drive wherever physically possible. But maybe >> I'm oversimp

Re: [Tagging] What's a power=station?

2010-01-18 Thread John Smith
2010/1/18 Dave F. : > power=tower should be pylon=electricity > power=line should be cable=electricity > > Remember, we're meant to be mapping  _physical_ entities & tagging them > as such. Yes, but similar key names makes grouping a lot easier, eg a lot of amenities should be something else, but

Re: [Tagging] What's a power=station?

2010-01-18 Thread John Smith
2010/1/19 Matthias Julius : > Well, I guess he meant "physical" in the sense of a physical object - > something you can touch, see and has a volume and mass. Ummm... electrons have mass... ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.

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