Re: [Tagging] Damage Assessment Tags - Would like feedback on a schema

There is an organization already tracking crowd-sourced reports of needed repairs, SeeClickFix. I have used this to report issues such as blocked street drains. The local Public Works department monitors these reports and marks them closed once the needed repairs have been done. On May 24, 2

Re: [Tagging] Wiki: Key:level: proposed rewrite

The level key is intended for OSM internal use, to tell routing and rendering software what connects to what. For indoor mapping, it would make sense to also have a way to name floors, which needs to allow for both numeric and non-numeric floor names. I have been in buildings that have more tha

Re: [Tagging] Wiki: Key:level: proposed rewrite

Yes, I object. The purpose of the level tag is to tell routing and rendering software what the vertical order of objects is. It indicates what connects to what, and, if they don't connect, what renders above what. It is not intended to hold floor names. On May 24, 2015 6:42:03 PM "pmailkeey

Re: [Tagging] Wiki: Key:level: proposed rewrite

The ele tag is for indicating the elevation of an object above sea level. Not many people will know the elevation of each of a building's floors above sea level. On May 25, 2015 8:30:26 AM "pmailkeey ." wrote: On 25 May 2015 at 14:08, Andrew Errington wrote: > On 25/05/2015, pmailkeey .

Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

In the USA, a "dog park" is an area of a public park, often enclosed by a fence, where you are allowed to play with your dog off-leash. In other sections of the park, or in an entire park if no section is designated as a dog park, you are likely to be cited and fined for letting your dog run fre

Re: [Tagging] "Pet Relief Areas"

We will need to use different tags for the two concepts, however. On May 25, 2015 3:43:47 PM "pmailkeey ." wrote: On 25 May 2015 at 19:32, John Eldredge wrote: > In the USA, a "dog park" is an area of a public park, often enclosed by > a fence, where you are

Re: [Tagging] Wiki: Key:level: proposed rewrite

Did you forget to add any comments? On May 26, 2015 6:58:49 AM wp4...@gmail.com wrote: ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging ___ Tagging mailin

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

Also, large industrial facilities may have all mail delivered to a central office, yet have separate street addresses for individual buildings for delivering goods. On May 28, 2015 9:21:44 AM "Colin Smale" wrote: In the UK we have postal addresses which are for Royal Mail's convenience, no

Re: [Tagging] To mark as covered, or to not mark as covered?

One case where "covered" would be appropriate would be a highway or railway in the mountains, where a slanted roof is above the way to protect against falling rocks and/or avalanches. I remember encountering such in the Swiss Alps. On May 28, 2015 6:46:21 PM "pmailkeey ." wrote: I've seen

Re: [Tagging] dock=tidal

That is just one of the common meanings of dock. Another common meaning is as a synonym for pier, an above-water structure used to give access to a ship. On May 29, 2015 3:41:23 AM Malcolm Herring wrote: On 29/05/2015 08:41, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > Why is this a property of the dock, > rat

Re: [Tagging] Comms towers

Pole without a pole = pole? I am confused. What sort of structure are you describing? On May 29, 2015 5:48:33 AM "pmailkeey ." wrote: On 29 May 2015 at 05:47, Marc Gemis wrote: > according to this wiki page there is a difference between > > man_made=communications_tower > > and > > man_ma

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

Zip codes, in the USA, are the same way. They are intended for the post office's routing, and don't necessarily correspond to administrative divisions of the land. A given plot of land may be in one administrative division for tax purposes, yet be lumped into a neighboring division for mail-del

Re: [Tagging] man_made=works

The "abandoned" or "disused" tags are for a structure that is not currently being used for anything. If the structure is currently being used for a different purpose, it is not abandoned or disused. Nonetheless, you can often tell what its original purpose was from the shape. You can often tell

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

The reason for tag/value pairs such as oneway=no is that the absence of a oneway tag can mean either that it is unknown whether a given way is one-way or not, or that it is definitely known to be not be one-way. Using one-way=no states that it is definitely known not to be one-way. -- John F.

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

Some businesses that were formerly in the film-developing trade have shifted over into producing prints from digital photos. The professional-grade color printers produce noticeably better results than consumer-grade printers do. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot driv

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

I have no objection to users tagging in their local language. I also have no objection to those users also using tags in a language that has been agreed upon for use in an international context, or to others subsequently adding tags for other languages. Do you feel that maps for any given area

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

OSM needs to provide for objects that fall under more than one category, whether it is done by allowing multiple tags with the same key, using semicolon-delimited values, or some other means. One often-quoted expression is that "OSM needs to show the ground truth", and it is frequently the grou

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

What if the shop sells both photo gear and frames? -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On June 4, 2015 10:11:26 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

There is an obvious limit to the number of types of icons that can be rendered on any one map before it becomes incomprehensible. However, more than one renderer can use the same data, depending on the intended purpose. There are also applications that let you inquire for "every location tagged

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

Also, there are a lot of so-called hobby shops that carry supplies for decorative crafts such as beading, embroidery, and jewelry making. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

You are fond of proposing keys with arbitrary numbers as the value, or part of the value. This would be fine if we were using a relational database, where a mapper could select one of a list of human-language descriptions, which would then get translated to the magic number for storage. However,

[Tagging] Grumble about empty "comments" on this list

If you want to comment about a message someone else posted, don't simply quote them without adding any comments of your own. We already know what they posted. Empty posts can happen by accident, but some participants of this list are in the habit of posting zero-content "comments" on a daily bas

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

In the USA, how it is handled varies from state to state, so there is at least one country where it isn't uniformly handled on a national level. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do t

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (US:DMV)

n we can use: driver_licensing=yes + driver_licensing:admin_level=4 uto, 9. lip 2015. 23:15 John Eldredge je napisao: In the USA, how it is handled varies from state to state, so there is at least one country where it isn't uniformly handled on a national level.

Re: [Tagging] Self serve and full serve gas stations

From my experience in the USA, prepay is only available by going inside and paying the clerk. If it turns out you didn't have enough room in your fuel tank for the amount you prepaid for, you go inside a second time and get a refund. The majority of self-service stations now require that you eit

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Donation

My experience as an American has been that a "blood bank" is a storage location rather than a donation point, although there is no particular reasons both functions can't be under one roof. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. H

Re: [Tagging] Airport "Pet Relief Areas" (toilet and watering spot for pet and service animals)

How many people will understand this use of "sterile"? It may be a term of art in the security field, but in ordinary use it refers to biological sterility, as in sterilized bandages. In biological terms, an area to be used for pets to urinate/defecate is the opposite of sterile. -- John F. El

Re: [Tagging] Airport "Pet Relief Areas" (toilet and watering spot for pet and service animals)

The airport is likely to want a detailed map of the secure areas that are off-limits to the general public, but they are unlikely to place that information into a publicly-accessible database. As you say, the public map will show (1) areas available to everyone, (2) areas available only to pas

Re: [Tagging] Grumble about empty "comments" on this list

Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On June 15, 2015 10:51:45 John Eldredge wrote: Typically, they will say something like, "On , Xyz wrote" and then quote part or all of what someone else wrote, without adding any comments of their

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Reception Desk.

At one hospital here in Nashville, TN, they cut back on the number of reception desks. The two primary entrances have desks with someone seated at them. Three other entrances have an unstaffed desk, with a webcam and a telephone. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot driv

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - wedding_reception

As a native speaker of English, I agree with you. A wedding reception is an event, not a place, and other types of receptions (events) are likely to use the same space. The location would best be tagged reception_area or reception_hall. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cann

Re: [Tagging] tagging large intersections cross-road sections

Actually it only works properly with a fixed-width font. Proportional fonts have some characters wider than others. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King,

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Wedding Reception

The social event is the wedding reception, not the location in which the event is held. You are the only person I have ever heard to refer to the location, rather than the event, as a wedding reception. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light c

Re: [Tagging] Rural Alley?

I have seen some people insist that highway=track only be used if the landuse Is farmland, but not if the land is covered by bushes or trees because no cultivation is taking place. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate canno

Re: [Tagging] symmetrical guardrails

Depending upon which side of the road the guardrail is on, either the left side or right side may be inner. If there is a distinct inner and outer side, the inner side will always be towards the traffic. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light

Re: [Tagging] symmetrical guardrails

only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On July 11, 2015 8:13:01 PM johnw wrote: > On Jul 12, 2015, at 4:41 AM, John Eldredge wrote: > > Depending upon which side of the road the guardrail is on, either the l

Re: [Tagging] service=rural (Was Rural Alley?)

In Japan and Korea, do you tend to have isolated farmhouses, each on its own farm (the most common pattern in the USA), or do the farmers tend to settle in villages, from which they travel out to their farms (the traditional European format)? Another pattern in the US, among small communities

Re: [Tagging] How to recognize memorial from monument?

You also have exceptions such as the Albert Memorial in London, England. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On July 20, 2015 4:12:44 PM Daniel K

Re: [Tagging] How to recognize memorial from monument?

hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On July 21, 2015 2:14:43 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone > Am 20.07.2015 um 23:24 schrieb John Eldredge : > > You also have exceptions such as the Albert Memorial in London, England. can you explain thi

Re: [Tagging] access=designated wiki

That makes sense to me. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On July 24, 2015 8:11:12 AM Marc Gemis wrote: I wonder what highway=primary; acce

Re: [Tagging] works_as_highway=primary

It makes sense to me to go more by physical attributes than the official primary/secondary/tertiary rating. Among other reasons, medium-term conditions such as construction projects may mean that the quickest route from point A to point B involves the use of a lower-rated roadway to bypass a ch

Re: [Tagging] Rendering for shop=boutique/fashion on default style

While "boutique" is used most often to refer to small clothing stores, I have also seen the term used to small stores selling other types of goods. I think that additional tagging indicating the type of merchandise sold is a good idea. It seems to be a marketing term implying "small, and using

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

What is the point of quoting someone else without adding any additional comment? -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On August 1, 2015 5:04:44 P

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (nutrition_supplements)

Did anyone else see this message as containing only headers, but no message contents? That is how it rendered on my system. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luthe

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

For that matter, there can be major regional variations within the same country, not to mention variations for historical reasons within the same city. In Nashville, Tennessee, USA, where I live, the majority of the city was developed post-World-War-II, meaning that residential streets tend to

Re: [Tagging] life ring or life preserver

Some of the Sherlock Holmes stories make reference to a type of weapon called a life preserver, what an American would call a blackjack or cosh. Is that usage of "life preserver" now archaic in British speech? -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only

Re: [Tagging] Rue réservée aux jeux - play street

Unfortunately, time required to render such tiles, and the caching of tiles, means that many users would likely not see the map representation of short-term events until the event was over. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. H

Re: [Tagging] There are no 'non managed' woods. Was: landcover=trees definition

Also, if a managed woodland ceases to be actively managed, so that it gradually reverts back to a wild state, does it eventually get reclassified? There are many places around the world where a former managed woodland, or cleared farm, has reverted back to forest. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@j

Re: [Tagging] Describe explicitly that values of highway tag do not imply anything about road quality (except highway=motorway and highway=motorway_link)

Some state parks in Tennessee have bridle trails that are horse-only, no pedestrians or wheeled vehicles allowed. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr

Re: [Tagging] Draft: recycling:capsules

I would suggest coffee_capsules, as the first thing that comes to mind when I hear "capsules" is medication, not individual servings of coffee grounds. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love c

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

From my experience, American English makes much the same distinctions as what you are describing. You sometimes see a distinction between "rough carpenters", who install wall studs and the like, which won't end up being visible to the customer, and "finish carpenters", who install woodwork that

Re: [Tagging] highway=footway - Advanced definition: Distinction footway vs path

With the added connotation that ONLY the designated transportation methods are allowed. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On August 27, 2015 3

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

Here in Nashville, TN, USA, back when the department stores were all located in the central business district, they indeed tended to be multistory. Starting in the 1970s, the downtown department stores either went out of business or migrated to the suburbs, where land was cheaper, and one-to-t

Re: [Tagging] Access tags (general question, but mostly regarding bicycle)

Saying "allowed" as the prefix would be less ambiguous than "access", as many people are likely to interpret "access" as "is access possible". After all, referring to a location as "not wheelchair-accessible" means that it difficult to get to via wheelchair, not that wheelchair use is forbidde

Re: [Tagging] Shop vs amenity

From my experience, department stores allow you to pay separately in each department, but don't generally require you to do so, except for items that are both valuable and easily concealed, such as jewelry. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only lig

Re: [Tagging] Buildings mixing residential and commercial use

This makes sense to me. In Nashville, Tennessee, USA, where I live, it is becoming stylish for young professional people to live in downtown apartments. These buildings usually have retail, restaurants, and/or offices at ground level and perhaps a floor or two higher, then apartments (flats) o

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

Not to mention the amount of horse dung you are willing to have your bike wheels fling up onto you. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On Septe

Re: [Tagging] Trolltags

light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On September 4, 2015 2:48:23 PM Paul Johnson wrote: This is why you ride with full fenders with mudflaps and use a chaincase. On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 12:40 PM, John Eldredge wrote: Not to m

Re: [Tagging] Modelling the relation between a waterstream and one of its resurgence

Are you referring to a stream that, at some point, goes underground, then re-emerges to the surface at a downstream point? These are common on karst terrain. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only

Re: [Tagging] Extremely long names for highways

One thing that you are likely to find is that some highways will have multiple names in local use. For example, if a highway with an official name of Route X leads from town Alpha to town Bravo, people in town Alpha are likely to refer to it both as Route X and also as the Bravo Road. People in

Re: [Tagging] How to tag cricket nets?

I hope you mean bowling. Bowelling sounds like something you would do in a WC. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On September 28, 2015 6:56:20

Re: [Tagging] Parcel box tagging

Is this a store or kiosk, with staff present, or are the packing materials sold via a vending machine? -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On Oc

Re: [Tagging] Unmarked opening hours

I, too, would tend to interpret opening_hours=none as "never open". I think that opening_hours=unknown would be clearer. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther K

Re: [Tagging] Shop values review

I find shop=trade too generic to be useful, as there are many different trades besides the building-construction trades. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther K

Re: [Tagging] post_box:type values, meter in particular

U.S. Post Offices used to have separate collection slots for stamped mail and metered mail (postage printed on it by a machine), but it is several years since I last remember seeing such. The only American usage for the term "franked mail" that I am aware of is that members of the United States

Re: [Tagging] Postindustrial Castle

Some castles that started off as strictly defensible structures had nondefensible additions later, in peaceable times. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther Kin

Re: [Tagging] Shop values review

. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On October 18, 2015 5:55:23 AM ael wrote: On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 07:28:39PM -0500, John Eldredge wrote: I

Re: [Tagging] Postindustrial Castle

And then there is Castell Gwynn, in Triune, TN, the home of the annual Tennessee Renaissance Festival) . It is a copy of a Welsh castle, but built of concrete blocks rather than stone. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; onl

Re: [Tagging] More human readable values for traffic signs

I think he is referring to the "do not enter" sign, a red circle with a horizontal white bar. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On October 27,

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "overhead electronic display" ?

We have generally avoided the use of acronyms in tagging. Most people, including me, wouldn't recognize the meaning of sign=pcms upon seeing it. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do t

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "overhead electronic display" ?

That sounds reasonable. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On October 29, 2015 4:03:49 AM Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:57 AM

Re: [Tagging] Named junctions

The name in this case is for the signal, not the junction. Could you have a named signal at a named junction, with different names? -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Mart

Re: [Tagging] Named junctions

If you have signals facing each of the directions at an intersection, will all of the signals at that intersection share the same name, or are they named separately, so that an intersection where two roads cross would have four different signal names? -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com

Re: [Tagging] Sidewalk Tagging for Routing

Nashville, TN has a population of over 600,000 people, but, outside the central core of the city, less than half the streets have sidewalks. The primary reason for this is that most of the city's growth has been in the last 50 years, and the planners assumed that everyone would be traveling by

Re: [Tagging] Art galleries/museums

In the US, gallery can refer to a museum, but it more commonly refers to a retail store selling art. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On Janu

Re: [Tagging] Art galleries/museums

There is a large art museum in Washington, DC, named the National Gallery. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On January 26, 2016 4:29:17 AM Ger

Re: [Tagging] Wharf

"Mole" is also used in English, with that same meaning. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On February 16, 2016 8:48:53 AM Volker Schmidt wrote

Re: [Tagging] Masts vs Towers yet again

The 808-foot antenna for radio station WSM fits both the tower and mast descriptions we are using. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that

Re: [Tagging] natural=????

On 09/10/2013 04:06 PM, Dominik George wrote: Why? If there is a difference, then there is a difference. BTW, mind fix your From name, Mrs. or Mr. Gmail? -nik Gmail schrieb: In a geo database, tundra alone must be sufficient, don't you think ? Tod Fitch a écrit : I'd l