RE: [SAtalk] Rules Du Jour v 1.07b

2004-01-22 Thread Rose, Bobby
No because weeds.cf and weeds2.cf are basically the same except weeds2 is more aggressive. You don't want both and this most likely ensure that the SA config dir doesn't have both. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randal, Phil Sent: Thursd

[SAtalk] BigEvil Scoring

2004-01-21 Thread Rose, Bobby
Is there an easy way of changing the BigEvil Scores without modifying bigevil.cf which gets updated a lot? And without duplicating them into local.cf. -=B --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools

RE: [SAtalk] More obfuscation

2004-01-20 Thread Rose, Bobby
Wouldn't DCC or Razor pick this up after some reports? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher X. Candreva Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 5:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SAtalk] More obfuscation On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Charl

RE: [SAtalk] [RD] antidrug 0.2 available

2004-01-18 Thread Rose, Bobby
>From where? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Kettler Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:06 AM To: Spamassassin-Talk Subject: [SAtalk] [RD] antidrug 0.2 available Fixes a few minor issues: 1) corrected spelling of sildenafil citrate

RE: [SAtalk] Improvement: Image Recognition as spam criteria

2004-01-15 Thread Rose, Bobby
Can't you hide messages in jpeg? If they created an engine that embedded a hidden random word in the image wouldn't that change it's hash and make this database useless. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexander Litvinov Sent: Thursday, J

RE: [SAtalk] New HTML spam body obfuscation.

2004-01-13 Thread Rose, Bobby
Why even allow javascript embedded emails? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dallas L. Engelken Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SAtalk] New HTML spam body obfuscation. > -Original Message-

RE: [SAtalk] Microsoft's state of the art spam filter

2004-01-13 Thread Rose, Bobby
It's kind of funny that they dog MS for their content filtering techniques but there own product doesn't seem to have any content filtering checks at all. Just RBL, SMTP checks such as callback verification... I use Milter-sender for this. It doesn't look like they mentioned the Outlook2003 send

RE: [SAtalk] bigevil.cf + rsync?

2003-12-04 Thread Rose, Bobby
So how are you getting this cf to be included with local.cf without combining? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Smith Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 7:50 PM To: Peter Kiem; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SAtalk] bigevil.cf + rsyn

[SAtalk] 2.60 and spam

2003-10-10 Thread Rose, Bobby
I've been seeing a lot of spam coming in since the switch to 2.6 where the subject line has gibberish. Did this check get broken or something? Has anyone else see it? -=B --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. SourceFo

RE: [SAtalk] If you use DCC w/SA please read

2003-10-06 Thread Rose, Bobby
But if your firewall supports state tables, you wouldn't need to this correct!? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Litwiller Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SAtalk] If you use DCC w/SA please read

[SAtalk] Bayes and autolearn

2003-02-20 Thread Rose, Bobby
I have a bunchn of bayes.lock.host. files piling up in my ~/.spamassassin directory. Is there a cleanup problem? --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. The most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can

RE: [SAtalk] Goodbye

2003-01-07 Thread Rose, Bobby
So if SA is still opensource and all the confusion is coming from the fact that NAI owns the SA name and not the project tree, why not just change the name. Everyone seems to be thinking that NAI owns the SpamAssassin project now and will rape it and leave it for dead the way they did PGP. I think

RE: [SAtalk] Deersoft acquisition

2003-01-07 Thread Rose, Bobby
Everyone seems more interested in the SA name than the project. Is SA still a completely open-source project now or does NAI have restrictions or plan on introducing restrictions. For example: if the open-source project comes up with or adds some new algorithm of detection does that automatically

RE: [SAtalk] Public Razor2 is slow as Christmas

2002-11-04 Thread Rose, Bobby
Usually there is more than 1 server but I just noticed that there is only 1 catalogue server in my servers.catalogue.lst. The only one in there is truth. If there is more that one you can change the order to determine if it's a particular system and report a problem with it. -Original Messag

RE: [SAtalk] MailScanner vs Milter installation

2002-10-28 Thread Rose, Bobby
Do you monitor the mailscanner lists? V4 was released which was rewritten from the ground up and you can multiple processes of Mailscanner running. It is much faster. I think it's also a matter of perception. In the case of a milter, you still have only one sendmail process handling incoming ma

RE: [SAtalk] AWL issue

2002-10-20 Thread Rose, Bobby
But does this really matter? What difference does it make if the originating system address is forged. If it's sending SPAM then it's AWL score increases not the system handing it off to you so it effectively is still doing it's job. -Original Message- From: Lars Hansson [mailto:lars@;un

RE: [SAtalk] AWL issue

2002-10-19 Thread Rose, Bobby
om 2.3.x to 2.4.0 and more in 2.4.2 and still more for > 2.4.3. > > I wouldn't trust the AWL in 2.4.2 any further than I could throw a > server > room. > > > At 10:55 AM 10/18/2002 -0400, Rose, Bobby wrote: > >Should SA have a minimum message size check to

RE: [SAtalk] AWL issue

2002-10-19 Thread Rose, Bobby
But if it's the IP address that handed it off wouldn't that be the system that if forwarding the individuals email to you? That doesn't make sense to whitelist/blacklist that address because if they are merely forwarding their mail from that system then it's going to include spam from that account

RE: [SAtalk] AWL issue

2002-10-18 Thread Rose, Bobby
From: Matt Kettler [mailto:mkettler@;evi-inc.com] Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 1:23 PM To: Rose, Bobby; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SAtalk] AWL issue What version of SA are we talking about? if it's 2.43, the AWL tracks both the from address AND the orginating IP. it would be highl

[SAtalk] AWL issue

2002-10-18 Thread Rose, Bobby
Should SA have a minimum message size check to counter an AWL score. I had someone sending test messages, but because their AWL score was 23.5 it was tagged as spam. I'm still scratching my head on how they got such a high AWL score. My thought on that matter is that if a spammer was to send t

OT: [SAtalk] Spammer

2002-10-11 Thread Rose, Bobby
EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 11:05 AM To: Rose, Bobby; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SAtalk] Spammer That's what VPNs are for, PPTP is built in to NT4 and L2TP into W2K and XP. Not quite as secure, given the current security I would guess their passwords are probably trivial

RE: [SAtalk] Spammer

2002-10-11 Thread Rose, Bobby
: RE: [SAtalk] Spammer This is OT, but pretty important. If these messenger spams are getting through, your NetBIOS ports are open to the outside, which is VERY BAD. You need to filter tcp/udp ports 137:139. Darren -Original Message- From: Rose, Bobby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent

[SAtalk] Spammer

2002-10-10 Thread Rose, Bobby
Someone at 207.44.141.140 is sending out spam via the Windows messaging service. Is it time for SA for Firewalls. ;-) --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___

[SAtalk] SpamAssassin sites

2002-10-02 Thread Rose, Bobby
I can't pull up the documentation on the SA website and I've tried the mirrors also. The 2.50 CVS hasn't changed since Sep 27, on the site either which seemed odd since I've been seeing changes listed on the devlist. -=Bobby --- This sf.net

RE: [SAtalk] spamassassin to reject spam?

2002-09-27 Thread Rose, Bobby
Mailscanner 4.0 (alpha) added support to bounce (not reject) and can be configured with a rules list of what domains/IP to do or not do this to. The message sent back has the header rewritten so that it doesn't bounce back to you if the address turned out to be bogus also. -Original Messag

RE: [SAtalk] Osirusoft - trustworthy?

2002-09-26 Thread Rose, Bobby
Does anyone think it's possible to petition Osirusoft to remove SPEWS from their mirroring? Or would it just be a waste of time? I would think that anyone who would want to use SPEWS still could but separately from the larger osirusoft listings. -Original Message- From: Miles Fidelman [

RE: [SAtalk] Osirusoft - trustworthy?

2002-09-26 Thread Rose, Bobby
Osirusoft is very good because it includes info from many RBLs. The only problem is that they mirror SPEWS which is surprising that they still do considering all the complaints about SPEWS. -Original Message- From: Darren Coleman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 26

RE: [SAtalk] Dccproc, pyzor and 4.50

2002-09-24 Thread Rose, Bobby
D]] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 9:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Dccproc, pyzor and 4.50 Hi Bobby, On Tuesday 24 September 2002 02:45 CET Rose, Bobby wrote: > File::Spec is installed on Solaris 8 and I tested File::Spec->path(); > in a simple perl script and the a

[SAtalk] Dccproc, pyzor and 4.50

2002-09-23 Thread Rose, Bobby
File::Spec is installed on Solaris 8 and I tested File::Spec->path(); in a simple perl script and the array contains data but when used in Dns.pm it doesn't contain anything. I even threw in a my @PATH = File::Spec->path(); dbg ("@PATH"); Into sub is_dcc_available routine and the arra

RE: [SAtalk] separate inbound and outbound

2002-09-23 Thread Rose, Bobby
In 2.50, should the Dns.pm module be getting the dcc_path or pyzor_path set in Conf.pm? I see the refs there in Dns.pm, but no where else to get the actual path so therefore the tests fail. -=Bobby --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkG

[SAtalk] Should there be a test for this tactic?

2002-09-17 Thread Rose, Bobby
I've been seeing some bounce messages and got curious... The messages bounce because the sender is bogus of course but the original message had this lovely header. Would it be a good idea to have a rule to check the To, From, and Reply-To for the same address. Received: (from daemon@localhost

RE: [SAtalk] SA 2.3 < SA 2.2 !!!

2002-07-15 Thread Rose, Bobby
Why not check to see what the scores are for those 2.2 tests in the 2.3 version. Maybe the GA's have changed the scoring for those tests. -Original Message- From: Mike Burger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 10:23 AM To: Gérard Milhaud Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject

[SAtalk] List servers rule

2002-07-08 Thread Rose, Bobby
Is there a rule that anyone uses for reducing the score for listservs? I know you can whitelist but I was wondering if there was an easier way to avoid all the maintenance. --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Oh, it's good to be a

RE: [SAtalk] Brightmail

2002-06-29 Thread Rose, Bobby
What's really funny is how SA has been tagging McAfee's bulk mailing about their SpamKiller product as Spam. "Tired of spam? Get the email you want and nothing else. McAfee.com SpamKiller stops spam cold!" Geez... Spam everybody with messages about stopping spam. Now there's a lesson that hasn

[SAtalk] DCC reporting busted

2002-06-27 Thread Rose, Bobby
Anyone using 2.40 CVS? If so can you confirm that dcc reporting is broken? --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Caffeinated soap. No kidding. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ Spamassassin-talk

[SAtalk] CVS razor bug

2002-06-27 Thread Rose, Bobby
Duncan Theo Van Dinter posted a patch about a week ago to get rid of the razor debug going to stdout. Can you add it? If the debug is getting spit out, then it breaks Mailscanner. So everytime I download CVS, I have to add it in. my %opt = ( debug => $Mail::SpamAssass

RE: [SAtalk] SA doesn't do anything...

2002-06-25 Thread Rose, Bobby
Are you expecting it to rewrite the file that you're pipeing? -Original Message- From: Kevin Gagel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 12:11 PM To: Theo Van Dinter Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SAtalk] SA doesn't do anything... On my syste

RE: [SAtalk] Bug report: -2.7 > 9 ???

2002-06-25 Thread Rose, Bobby
I think what Julian is saying and I recall see the same thing with Mailscanner before he's temp fix is that if you called is_spam() using the same message, that it will give the same scoring but is_spam() would return true. -Original Message- From: Geoff Gibbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

RE: [SAtalk] Razor

2002-06-24 Thread Rose, Bobby
If I recall correctly, up until a couple months ago it was just Vipul doing all the work. When he brought in someone else, they saw a potential product for the market place and spent the last month or so quitting their jobs and setting up a biz. At the same time, they completely rewrote razor.

RE: [SAtalk] User Preferences Directory

2002-06-24 Thread Rose, Bobby
Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 11:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SAtalk] User Preferences Directory Hello Rose, Bobby. On 6/24/02 11:09 PM, from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > Don't know anything about Communigate Pro but SA preferenses are

RE: [SAtalk] Tagging things twice

2002-06-24 Thread Rose, Bobby
I did this yesterday on my test box. I have separate incoming and outgoing sendmail queues. If I invoke procmail from within sendmail as a delivery agent, then procmail drop the message in my incoming mail queue and it gets processed a second time before being sent on to the final remote destina

RE: [SAtalk] User Preferences Directory

2002-06-24 Thread Rose, Bobby
Don't know anything about Communigate Pro but SA preferenses are in the home dir that is specified in /etc/passwd for that particular user. -Original Message- From: Ron Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 10:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SAtalk] User Pref

RE: [SAtalk] Razor

2002-06-24 Thread Rose, Bobby
The current release doesn't use v2 of razor. The changelog was incorrect. SA 2.40 does use it but it shouldn't be used on production yet. When I installed it on my test box, every message was tagged as spam because of the Ebay_Forged rule. -Original Message- From: Jefferson Cowart [mai

RE: [SAtalk] looks like "spam blocking" is getting popular -- a SAProcompetitor?

2002-06-22 Thread Rose, Bobby
I wouldn't be surprised if they were stealing SA's rules. Not so much stealing the rules explicitly but the logic behind the rule. -Original Message- From: Robert Fleming [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 5:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SAtalk] looks like

RE: [SAtalk] X- references in headers

2002-06-21 Thread Rose, Bobby
His example message is really empty. It would seem that if these are the only triggers that set SA off then that should be the offset. -Original Message- From: Bart Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:08 PM To: Danita Zanre Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re

RE: [SAtalk] X- references in headers

2002-06-21 Thread Rose, Bobby
Can you include the header that produced this also? -Original Message- From: Danita Zanre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 8:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SAtalk] X- references in headers I've installed SpamAssassin for our GroupWise system, and it is fant

RE: [SAtalk] Razor Reporting in SA

2002-06-21 Thread Rose, Bobby
]] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:48 PM To: Rose, Bobby Cc: SpamAssassin Talk ML Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Razor Reporting in SA On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 07:19:39PM -0400, Rose, Bobby wrote: > I don't think it's working correctly. For one, if I report thru SA > with the debug swit

[SAtalk] Razor Reporting in SA

2002-06-21 Thread Rose, Bobby
I don't think it's working correctly. For one, if I report thru SA with the debug switch it looks like it's using the old agents. debug: Razor is available debug: Razor Agents 1.20, protocol version 2. debug: Read server list from /home/admin/brose/.razor.lst debug: 60577 seconds before closest

[SAtalk] SA 2.3x detects a lot more

2002-06-21 Thread Rose, Bobby
Geez and I thought blocking with DCC was starting to help reduce the amount of Spam but after updating to 2.3x the number of messages getting tagged has increased by nearly 500 more a day. I log the messages that are tagged and I've gone thru looking at the subjects and it all looks like spam to

RE: [SAtalk] [PATCH] DCC Reporting

2002-05-02 Thread Rose, Bobby
Sorry that's not correct either. Conf doesn't seem to be reading the max's from my local. -Original Message----- From: Rose, Bobby Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Richie Laager; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SAtalk] [PATCH] DCC Reportin

RE: [SAtalk] [PATCH] DCC Reporting

2002-05-01 Thread Rose, Bobby
I think the section for dcc in Conf.pm is wrong. Shouldn't it be $1 instead of $1+0 for the dcc_body_max,etc? -Original Message- From: Craig R Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:04 AM To: Rose, Bobby Cc: Richie Laager; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subjec

RE: [SAtalk] [PATCH] DCC Reporting

2002-05-01 Thread Rose, Bobby
debug: SpamAssassin: spam reported to DCC. -Original Message- From: Craig R Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:20 AM To: Rose, Bobby Cc: Richie Laager; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [SAtalk] [PATCH] DCC Reporting No, what I'm suggesting is make wra

RE: [SAtalk] [PATCH] DCC Reporting

2002-05-01 Thread Rose, Bobby
Is there a DCC.pm? It appearred to me that dcc is a exec process and not a perl module. I've come across something odd when using Mailscanner and SA with DCC. If I pass a DCC reported message thru dccproc or spamassassin then the report reflects the listing. But when Mailscanner sends it to SA

RE: [SAtalk] Early DCC results

2002-05-01 Thread Rose, Bobby
Do a debug spamassasin test on the sample-spam file, I've been having slow queues today and it looks like razor checks timing out. I changed razor to 0 and things are moving more quickly. Odd enough, if I did a razor-check it worked ok. If I did the same SA test on a different box then there was

[SAtalk] SpamAssassin 2.20 error

2002-04-24 Thread Rose, Bobby
Has anyone been seeing this message with 2.20 Malformed UTF-8 character (unexpected non-continuation byte 0xe3 after start byte 0xdd) in substitution iterator at /opt/ActivePerl-5.6/lib/site_perl/5.6.1/Mail/SpamAssassin/PerMsgStatus.p m line 828. It doesn't appear to happen with every message.

[SAtalk] Compilenow() directive

2002-04-08 Thread Rose, Bobby
I use MailScanner with SA which calls SA using the perl inclusions. One of the directives is compilenow() to compile the object. Mailscanner use to use this before 2.11 but stopped because of false positives. I had asked Julian the maintainer if this had been fix and he wasn't sure so I figured

RE: [SAtalk] Spam Assassin

2002-04-05 Thread Rose, Bobby
One work... Uninformed. Based on the content of the e-rag, he has issues far beyond SA. My impression is that the various spam software being used by systems is either outright refusing his e-rag or in SA's case tagging it. Maybe his email address should become a spamtroll address ;-) -O

RE: [SAtalk] Freedom of Press / Speech / Junk Mail (yah right)

2002-03-26 Thread Rose, Bobby
It wasn't attacks. My understanding was that the city was running unpatched version of Notes or something and the rigorous relay testing caused mail to loop within their system and they took it as an attack. Since Thursday, after they got multiple messages from sysadmins and isps, they dropped th

RE: [SAtalk] Re: Catching virus distribution with SpamAssassin (was Re: Misc.rule ideas)

2002-03-08 Thread Rose, Bobby
I've been using Mailscanner for awhile now which does this but can also send messages to a commandline virus scanner and Spam Assassin. There's a link of the SA links page for it also. -Original Message- From: Daniel Pittman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 5:43 P

[SAtalk] Sorting thru the SPAM

2002-03-07 Thread Rose, Bobby
Does anyone have a script to sort files based on content? I've been dumping copies of the spam messages into a directory. What I'd like to try to do is figure out how many times a From recipient shows so that it can be determined if it someone that should just be blocked or reported as Spam sourc

Re: [SAtalk] Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse

2002-03-05 Thread Rose, Bobby
to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:46 AM To: Rose, Bobby Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Randomized spam, etc. On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 02:32:51PM -0500, Rose, Bobby wrote: > Also, I'm seeing spam messages > with unique lines at the tail of the message body which would ge

RE: [SAtalk] razor gone haywire?

2002-03-04 Thread Rose, Bobby
Razor doesn't care about headers only the message body. Message headers are not unique (dates, froms, tos, relays would be different for everyone)and would generate a different hash. The word hi has probably been registered by someone just like test. -Original Message- From: dman [mail

RE: [SAtalk] Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse

2002-03-04 Thread Rose, Bobby
I've perused the razor list archives and my take is that they will release the server daemon once they deal with the trust issues. They don't want to have spammers setup a server and go thru and delete all the hashes from the database. Besides what difference does it make. If you are using Spam

RE: [SAtalk] Spamassassin and razor issue

2002-03-03 Thread Rose, Bobby
g from the writeserverlist sub. push @list, $1 if /^(\d{1,3}\.\d{1,3}\.\d{1,3}\.\d{1,3})$/; But did like the old push condition. push @list, $_ if $_; Running razor-check, report bins don't exhibit the behavior. -=B -Original Message----- From: Rose, Bobby Sent: S

RE: [SAtalk] Spamassassin and razor issue

2002-03-03 Thread Rose, Bobby
ug: Server response: Positive fba3c8b4cb47d91a9d01d7d3a575072525aae9b0 debug: - Message 1 is KNOWN SPAM - debug: Agent terminated -Original Message----- From: Rose, Bobby Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 11:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SAtalk] Spamassassin and razor issue After upgradi

[SAtalk] Spamassassin and razor issue

2002-03-03 Thread Rose, Bobby
After upgrading to 1.20 razor agents, spamassassin doesn't seem to be able to user razor anymore. Whenever it tries, it says razor check skipped: No such file or directory undefined Razor::Client In debug mode debug: Razor is available debug: Razor Agents 1.20, protocol version 2. debug: Read

RE: [SAtalk] One That Got Through

2002-02-26 Thread Rose, Bobby
Why not just register it with Razor like the docs say? At least that will add 3 to it's score by default which you can always adjust that score to meet your needs. -Original Message- From: Bart Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 4:37 PM To: Craig Hughes