If I recall correctly, up until a couple months ago it was just Vipul
doing all the work.  When he brought in someone else, they saw a
potential product for the market place and spent the last month or so
quitting their jobs and setting up a biz.  At the same time, they
completely rewrote razor.  You have to at least commend them for
developing something in 8 weeks for people to start getting their hands
on.  I know I was one that kept nagging them about v2.  I tried every
update they released and I only saw a problem with the version 2.10
release but then again, I'm not running it in production yet anyway
because I know it's work in progress.  


-----Original Message-----
From: rODbegbie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 11:41 PM
To: Lars Hansson; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Razor


Lars Hansson wrote:
> Eh, shouting down? Matt Perry's message is anything but constructive. 
> I'd be pretty pissed off too if someone tried to tell me how to do my 
> job and basicly accused me of being incompetent.

*Releasing* a version of razor which fails to actually check spam
(http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/SourceForge/2539/25/9004534/), and
which throws a warning on 'make test'
(http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/SourceForge/2539/25/9005055/) doesn't
fill me with confidence as to their methodology.  I mean, how long can
you spend QAing a release if it's only two days since your last one?

The releases of Razor2 so far have been of "alpha" quality (IMO), yet
branded as betas.  There have been 10 "releases" over the last two
weeks, each of which have fixed some bugs, but introduced new ones.  It
just seems sloppy to me.

I guess I just have higher expectations of professional developers.

Maybe I've been spoiled by SA.  I think the development & release
process on this app work very well (There's a a sizable handful of
people trying out the CVS code.  When they think it's mature enough, the
maintainers doe a release, then issue a bug/score-fix release a week or
so later to correct any issues found when deployed to the wider
audience).  But the Razor2 releases so far have just been a cluster.

> It's not a commercial product, you dont pay
> anything, shit happens.


That's a piss-poor excuse, and particularly pointless in the case of
Razor.

Razor only works if there are active users.  If people have bad
experiences, they'll just uninstall it from their machine, stop
reporting spam to them, and make the program less valuable.  Right now,
there is no clear way to download a working version of Razor from their
website.  (Indeed, they haven't even updated it to link to v2.10)

My opinions of Vipul + Co have certainly dropped recently.  Not enough
to stop using Razor, but it had better start adding value soon, or I'll
just stick with the very-excellent (and, at the moment, more effective)
DCC.

IMO.

rOD.

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