Chris Abbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> case in point: I use emacs as my preferred editor, I just learned
> from this thread that emacs can view info pages... as if it couldn't
> do enough already ;) but no one bothered to mention HOW to do this.
Either C-h i, or Help->Manuals->Browse manuals
At 07:35 8/21/00 -0400, Trond Eivind Glomsrød wrote:
> > On Sun Aug 20 2000 at 21:03, Chris Abbey wrote:
> > > At 10:35 8/19/00 -0700, Joseph Malicki wrote:
> > > >glibc is documented in info, not manpages. the manpages there are just
> > > >an incomplete and in some cases inaccurate collection, w
First,
disable one of the scsi card detection in the biosthen continue
installation ..after finish installation...enable back the scsi in the
bios..but remember during installtion..you must install KUDZU after you
enable...then wait until kudzu detect it ..then you can use itthat's wha
On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 12:32:53AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> But the gcc people tell that gcc 2.96 generates slower code than gcc
> 2.95.2. And I have found that it can't recompile itself in pinstripe
> (it core dumps). This could be due to glibc since when I replaced it
> with gcc 2.
Harry Putnam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Here's one even Alan may not know about (hoping to surprise him, but
> he's an old hand so probably not)
That is pretty cool. I don't think the Emacs version has
it... where's Kai when you need him? Oh, yeah, using debian. 8^(
--
Alan Shutko <[EMAI
Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> * I can hit "i" and look up a word in the index, and be bounced
> directly to the first hit. I can hit "," to go to subsequent hits.
>
> * I can do a regexp search through the document.
Here's one even Alan may not know about (hoping to surprise him,
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Stanislav Meduna wrote:
>> 7.1 just might be okay, but 7.2 will be TOO LATE. In another
>> year, the sticker shock won't be so bad and the decision
>> to buy a DVD drive will be much easier, and lots of folk
>> will already have one.
>
>Sounds reasonable, but please, leave th
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Nitebirdz wrote:
>> in Windows (use KDE 2.0 exclusively (with konsole and friends disabled,
>> of course), run autologin (http://www.linux-easy.com/development.php) to
>> log in as root all the time [I know that's stupid, but it's basically what
>> Windows does, and avoids th
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Edward S. Marshall" ) writes:
>
> > On 20 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Try the 7.0beta - it should be included there.
> > [...]
> > > The latest and greates is included with the pinstripe beta.
> >
> > So we should take this to assume that Red Hat intends to a
On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 10:33:03AM -0700, Joe Brenner wrote:
> I might suggest that it's kind of arrogant to try and give
> orders to unpaid volunteer labor.
Please -- where did I give orders? I was just trying to point out that
the way texinfo is promoted might not be the smartest way to do it
On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 01:59:20PM -0400, Alan Shutko wrote:
> I just can't resist mentioning that info.el has been around since
> 1985, and the standalone info has been around since 1987.
Ok, and GML (the precursor to SGML, which in turn was precursor to
XML) has been around since 1967 and was
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Bernhard Rosenkraenzer wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Nitebirdz wrote:
>
> > Again, I'm a big supporter of Linux and open source in general. I am
> > _convinced_ that Linux will sooner or later win the desktop market
> > too. However, I cannot in good faith deny that Windows
Much of the history of modern technology has been a process of
increasing complexity until complexity becomes an obstacle to
further progress. The quantum advances in technology have
largely occurred when ways have been found to internalize
complexity behind a higher level of apparent simplicity.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Edward S. Marshall" ) writes:
> On 20 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Try the 7.0beta - it should be included there.
> [...]
> > The latest and greates is included with the pinstripe beta.
>
> So we should take this to assume that Red Hat intends to actually ship a
> re
On 20 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Try the 7.0beta - it should be included there.
[...]
> The latest and greates is included with the pinstripe beta.
So we should take this to assume that Red Hat intends to actually ship a
release version of their operating system with a CVS release of GCC
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Pekka Savola wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Frank Schmuck, CFO wrote:
> > Truth is Linux is a great system once it is set up by someone who knows
> > how to do it and if you have the right equipment. Can you imaging
> > needing to recompile Win2000 so that it will pick up my
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Jonathan Sailor wrote:
>>message. Please configure your mailer correctly and/or switch to a
>>Linux mail client.
>>
>
>That's because all my settings are still under outlook. (And because pine
>doesn't support multiple accounts under the same username, and no POP
>su
Hello,
> I guess that this release, 7.0, is the time to bundle RHL and
> a DVD kit.
>
> 7.1 just might be okay, but 7.2 will be TOO LATE. In another
> year, the sticker shock won't be so bad and the decision
> to buy a DVD drive will be much easier, and lots of folk
> will already have one.
Sou
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Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: ppp nukes eth0: fixed
> > X-Apparently-From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > From: "Jonathan Sailor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >
> > For those of you who want to know how I go
Actually, the problem was not the same as yours,
but I think that your problem is that only 192.168 and 10.0 address are
considdered to be on a network not connected to the net. My eth0 config
is:
ip: 10.0.0.1 mask:
255.255.0.0 bcase:
10.0.255.255
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Fro
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Frank Schmuck, CFO wrote:
> Truth is Linux is a great system once it is set up by someone who knows
> how to do it and if you have the right equipment. Can you imaging
> needing to recompile Win2000 so that it will pick up my dual
> celeron motherboard? Get real.
>
> Right
"Frank Schmuck, CFO" wrote:
>
> > However, I cannot in good faith deny that Windows is more
> > user-friendly right now.
> Truth is Linux is a great system once it is set up by someone who knows
> how to do it and if you have the right equipment. Can you imaging
> needing to recompile Win2000 so
> However, I cannot in good faith deny that Windows is more
> user-friendly right now.
>>How so?
1. Try hooking up a printer.
2. Ask the man on the street what a "refresh rate" is.
3. Ask the average user if his sound card is "approved" or not?
Truth is Linux is a great system once it is set up
Alan Shutko wrote:
> I just can't resist mentioning that info.el has been around since
> 1985, and the standalone info has been around since 1987.
Touche! ;-)
I still think there's too many re-implimentations out there (even if
this isn't one of them). After a while everyone keeps rewriting thi
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Nitebirdz wrote:
> Again, I'm a big supporter of Linux and open source in general. I am
> _convinced_ that Linux will sooner or later win the desktop market
> too. However, I cannot in good faith deny that Windows is more
> user-friendly right now.
How so?
If a user limits
> GUIs aren't a silver bullet, and you _can_ make CLIs discoverable
But the average user, and certainly my dad, doesn't want to have to
discover anything. They want the thing to work by pushing a button. They
want something at least as easy to use as the VCR, and the "buttons"
paradigm of Win
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Nitebirdz wrote:
>> > However, if the OS is CLI-based, then I'd better know the exact
>> > command I'm supposed to enter and all its flags, ect.
>>
>> That's not true. There are definately ways to discover ways to do
>> things on a CLI. I certainly don't know exactly how t
Ingo Luetkebohle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> []Its gross arrogance to assume that users will want to learn a new
> way of getting information every other year for no other reason than
> that the authors don't like the old anymore -- for reasons which
> they have to account for themselves. []
I
On 21 Aug 2000, Alan Shutko wrote:
> Nitebirdz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > However, if the OS is CLI-based, then I'd better know the exact
> > command I'm supposed to enter and all its flags, ect.
>
> That's not true. There are definately ways to discover ways to do
> things on a CLI. I
"Mike A. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm not surprised if it disappears entirely in 7.0 or later..
Yup, it's gone. If you want libc in RH7, you should use the packages
from RH6.2.
--
Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - In a variety of flavors!
81 days, 22 hours, 26 minutes, 21 second
Joe Brenner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm agreed that "info" is very useful, particularly when you
> use it from inside of emacs. I was wondering what trouble
> people really have with it?
Oh, I can tell you those things too. (Can you tell I've experienced
this argument before?)
The usua
Ingo Luetkebohle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok, calming down: texinfo has never caught on outside of the GNU area
> apart from very few exceptions. Thats largely due to the
> unfriendliness of the accompanying software and also due to the fact
> that the underlying technology is almost as old
Nitebirdz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> However, if the OS is CLI-based, then I'd better know the exact
> command I'm supposed to enter and all its flags, ect.
That's not true. There are definately ways to discover ways to do
things on a CLI. I certainly don't know exactly how to do everything
Stephen Schaefer-NCS Sr SE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Amen; the cumulative user interface annoyances with info are awful
>
> info is a pretty bad program (although some of the most notorious
> complaints, like not recognizing arrow keys, have been rectified), but
> reading them in Emacs i
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, John Summerfield wrote:
>> Since it is expanding so much, why not offer it on DVD as
>> well? Putting DVD iso's or UDF's on the website would be a waste
>> of time because barely anyone has DVDRAM, etc.. but someone might
>> prefer the dist on DVD..
>
>Don't discount that; i
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Fred W. Noltie Jr. wrote:
>
> > As a reluctant windoze developer newly encountering the Linux
> > learning curve, I may have a few useful observations to
> > contribute. I lurk on this development forum because I'm hoping
> > to eventually port my software products to Linux
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, John Summerfield wrote:
>> BTW, what version of RH are you using? FTR - libc is obsolete.
>>
>
>You should look first;-)
Why?
>summer@dugite /u03]$ rpm -q libc redhat-release
>libc-5.3.12-31
>redhat-release-6.2-1
>[summer@dugite /u03]$
Just because libc is installed doe
>
> >
> > What possible difference would it make to a new Linux user whether
he
> > had the latest gcc version? A new Linux user -- particularly those
> > from the Windows world -- has quite enough to learn about bash and
> > text editors. He can certainly make do without the latest and
greatest
>
> > The simple fact is unavoidable: Microsoft et. al. have *failed* in
> > their efforts at making computers "easy to use." Have a listen on
the
> > real tech support lines and I'm sure that you will be forced to
agree.
>
> I happen not to like Windows, but I'd have to say that my wife and
three
>
On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 10:44:47AM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote:
> Agreed. Docbook seems to be the documentation choice du jour. I
> have no idea anything other than that though. I haven't seen any
> docbook docs, and have no idea how to create or read them.
http://www.docbook.org/
(some) Tool
While I prefer man pages due to their concise nature, in dealing with
the reality of info pages, I've found TkInfo invaluable. It's definitely
worth checking out.
http://math-www.uni-paderborn.de/~axel/tkinfo/
Michael Sterrett
-Mr. Bones.-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Stephen
> BTW, what version of RH are you using? FTR - libc is obsolete.
>
You should look first;-)
summer@dugite /u03]$ rpm -q libc redhat-release
libc-5.3.12-31
redhat-release-6.2-1
[summer@dugite /u03]$
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> I did some tech support for a family member yesterday. This person has
> been using computers for at least 15 years, including almost 10 as a
> home user. On the face of it one would suspect that such a person
> reasonably could be expected to know how to install a hardware
> driver -- particul
>
> What possible difference would it make to a new Linux user whether he
> had the latest gcc version? A new Linux user -- particularly those
> from the Windows world -- has quite enough to learn about bash and
> text editors. He can certainly make do without the latest and greatest
> compiler,
>
> It's not in 6.x distributions because it's not binary compatible
> with egcs-1.1.2 for C++ applications.
>
I don't do a lot of coding in C or C++, but I do do some.
I've installed gcc 2.95 on RHL 6.x and it works just fine.
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> Just an idea that came to me...
>
> Red Hat has normally been 2 CDROM's. Binary, and SRC.
> 6.2 is 3, binary, source, documentation.
>
> >From what I understand, 7.0 final will be 4:
> Binary1, binary2, source, documentation - possibly source2?
>
> Since it is expanding so much, why not offe
>
> Reliability and usability are far more important than aesthetics
> to users who depend on their software.
Kort
Thanks for coming into the light where we can see you. We need you to speak up
loudly and often.
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>
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Tony Nugent wrote:
>
> >> At 10:35 8/19/00 -0700, Joseph Malicki wrote:
> >> >glibc is documented in info, not manpages. the manpages there are just
> >> >an incomplete and in some cases inaccurate collection, werent they from
> >> >libc5 or something? The wonders of GN
Frankly I prefer "man" because it is concise and to the point. Yes, we
need extended documentation, but often it's a major pain to dig through
"info" and "/usr/doc" pages to find the information you're looking for.
Everytime I run into a (mostly) empty man that points me to these I just
lapse into
Stephen Schaefer-NCS Sr SE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Amen; the cumulative user interface annoyances with info are awful
info is a pretty bad program (although some of the most notorious
complaints, like not recognizing arrow keys, have been rectified), but
reading them in Emacs is a whole l
I got a problem during the installation of Red Hat 6.1 and need some help,
please. I try to install directly from the CD on a system that has a
Seagate SCSI hard drive, and the initrd images seems to load fine, then it
calls the aic7xxx module driver and it simply hangs. It does not do
anythihg
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Venkatesh Krishnamurthi wrote:
>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 04:44:33 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Venkatesh Krishnamurthi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: basename()?
>
>Hi,
>
> I find pinfo to be a very nice console mode info viewer. Pinfo can be found
>at:
>
> h
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Ingo Luetkebohle wrote:
>Ok, calming down: texinfo has never catched on outside of the GNU area
>apart from very few exceptions. Thats largely due to the
>unfriendliness of the accompanying software and also due to the fact
>that the underlying technology is almost as old as
Amen; the cumulative user interface annoyances with info are awful
(and I'm and emacs fan!); but the idea that extensive and in-depth
documentation be organized in a hyper-linked tree with extensive
indexing is good. In fact, it would be just peachy if I could
navigate the info documentation with
On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 04:44:33AM -0700, Venkatesh Krishnamurthi wrote:
> I find pinfo to be a very nice console mode info viewer. Pinfo can be found
> at:
>
> http://zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl/~pborys/stable-version/pinfo-0.6.0.tar.gz
The pinfo package was in Power Tools at least going back to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ingo Luetkebohle ) writes:
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 09:10:43AM +1000, Tony Nugent wrote:
> > I **HATE** info, it is the most un-intuiative utility I've ever come
> > across.
>
> There's a small utilitity called "pinfo" which makes info reading on
> the console slightly less p
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco Presi) writes:
> Hallo to all!!!
>
> Yesterday I installed a RH6.2 on a pc, and just after the installation,
> I made an rpm -V on all packages red on /tmp/install.
>
> I found that many packets reported md5sum failure.
>
> Is it normal???
For configuration files...
On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 01:01:37PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It should be the opposite: let's move off the obsolete man pages: thay
> were great in the seventies but today we have far more powerful
> machines who allow far richer ways of provising information.
That's fine; but info is NOT
On Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 12:41:58PM -0700, kort wrote:
> As a reluctant windoze developer newly encountering the Linux
> learning curve, I may have a few useful observations to
> contribute.
> < most software documentation>>
I've been in this field for a quarter-century; I've lived through mainf
Hallo to all!!!
Yesterday I installed a RH6.2 on a pc, and just after the installation,
I made an rpm -V on all packages red on /tmp/install.
I found that many packets reported md5sum failure.
Is it normal???
I made the installation because i found some important packages corrupted
so i though
On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 09:10:43AM +1000, Tony Nugent wrote:
> I **HATE** info, it is the most un-intuiative utility I've ever come
> across.
There's a small utilitity called "pinfo" which makes info reading on
the console slightly less painfull. The interface is modelled on lynx.
Check out fresh
Hi,
I find pinfo to be a very nice console mode info viewer. Pinfo can be found
at:
http://zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl/~pborys/stable-version/pinfo-0.6.0.tar.gz
Venkatesh
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Tony Nugent wrote:
>
> >Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:10:43 +1000
> >From: Tony Nugent <[EMAIL PROTECTED
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Tony Nugent wrote:
>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:10:43 +1000
>From: Tony Nugent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: RedHat Development Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: basename()?
>
>On Sat Aug 19 2000 at 10:35, "Joseph Malicki" wrote:
>
>> glibc is documented in info, not m
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Jason Jesso wrote:
>I am new, so bare with me. What led me to believe that gcc replaces
>egcs is: http://gcc.gnu.org/releases.html
>
>"After the April 1999 merger between GCC and EGCS, only a single version
>number is maintained."
>
>After that only gcc releases are availabl
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Tony Nugent wrote:
>> At 10:35 8/19/00 -0700, Joseph Malicki wrote:
>> >glibc is documented in info, not manpages. the manpages there are just
>> >an incomplete and in some cases inaccurate collection, werent they from
>> >libc5 or something? The wonders of GNU software.
On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 01:01:37PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Man pages are an obsolete way of providing inforamtion. They are not
> designed with hyperlinking in mind and are unsuitable for long texts.
> In addition they are based on groff and thus they are far inferior for
> printing to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony Nugent ) writes:
> On Sun Aug 20 2000 at 21:03, Chris Abbey wrote:
>
> > At 10:35 8/19/00 -0700, Joseph Malicki wrote:
> > >glibc is documented in info, not manpages. the manpages there are just
> > >an incomplete and in some cases inaccurate collection, werent they from
>
> On Sun Aug 20 2000 at 21:03, Chris Abbey wrote:
>
> > At 10:35 8/19/00 -0700, Joseph Malicki wrote:
> > >glibc is documented in info, not manpages. the manpages there are just
> > >an incomplete and in some cases inaccurate collection, werent they from
> > >libc5 or something? The wonders o
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