[RBW] SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics

2010-01-09 Thread Jason
Hi all, I was at RivHQ on Friday and the prototype frame was laying around. They said they didn't mind pictures, so here they are: http://tinyurl.com/yfxzvs9 This is a prototype frame, so it may be changing. They said the thinking right now is a frame in the $1,000 range, an upward sloping top t

[RBW] Re: SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics

2010-01-09 Thread Angus
Thanks for sharing these pictures. I really like the silveriness (that is definitely not a word) of the paint. Angus On Jan 9, 4:21 am, Jason wrote: > Hi all, > > I was at RivHQ on Friday and the prototype frame was laying around. > They said they didn't mind pictures, so here they are: > > htt

Re: [RBW] Re: SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics

2010-01-09 Thread Bruce
I like the blue used, reminiscent of both the original Waterford production Riv Road models and the Romulus. The rear dropouts look a little clunky and I'm not a fan of dented chain stays. The seatstay bridge looks threaded for a fender mount and that is a nice touch. Lugs are attractive, and I

[RBW] Re: SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics

2010-01-09 Thread Mark
This comment may be premature, but I hope Riv doesnt start making it a habit to have only ONE color Rivs like the Gomez and Foy. What I mean is that the headbadge needs the two tone to accent the steel lugs. So, I do not mind that there is only one color frame, just dont try to save money by gettin

[RBW] Sackville Rando Bag?

2010-01-09 Thread rperks
Can you tell us more about what looks to be a Sackville Rando Bag that it is sitting on top of in the first picture? Side and front pockets, Check. Top flap, check. Apparent loops for Nitto bar mount, check. Is this a reincarnation of the Boxy Bag? Inquiring minds need to know, this is the one

[RBW] Re: Riv Valve Stems Group on Flickr?!

2010-01-09 Thread EricP
What scares me is somehow I'm the administrator of that group. Huh? Must have been out of the room getting a malt beverage when you voted. Sort of silly, but don't think I've ever added the Atlantis or Hillborne to any of the Flickr groups. Probably should change that. Soon. Eric Platt St. Paul

[RBW] Re: SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics

2010-01-09 Thread EricP
Actually like the one color frame (like my Hillborne) a lot. A more uniform look. As to the headbadge. Well, my personal preference is for the single color. Yes, two tone (or full color) is nice. But not necessary in my opinion. Especially if the per piece cost is too much. But still want a

[RBW] Re: SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics

2010-01-09 Thread Kris
Are the threads missing from the BB shell? I agree this seems like an interesting idea with the Soma Stanyan out in the market. Especially since the Stanyan is a relatively new model. Great looking bike though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

[RBW] FS:56cm Saluki School Bus Yellow

2010-01-09 Thread hobie
18 month old 56cm Saluki 650B,school bus yellow.Sidepull, centerpull brakes,3 water bottle bosses, kickstand plate,frame saver used..I'm the original owner,purchased new from Rivendell.It has been ridden moderatly.Unfortunately it is to small for me so it is looking for a new home.It has a few scuf

Re: [RBW] Sackville Rando Bag?

2010-01-09 Thread CycloFiend
on 1/9/10 5:02 AM, rperks at perks@gmail.com wrote: > Can you tell us more about what looks to be a Sackville Rando Bag that > it is sitting on top of in the first picture? Side and front pockets, > Check. Top flap, check. Apparent loops for Nitto bar mount, check. > > Is this a reincarnat

Re: [RBW] SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics

2010-01-09 Thread CycloFiend
on 1/9/10 2:21 AM, Jason at jasonshaef...@gmail.com wrote: > I was at RivHQ on Friday and the prototype frame was laying around. > They said they didn't mind pictures, so here they are: > > http://tinyurl.com/yfxzvs9 > > This is a prototype frame, so it may be changing. They said the > thinking

Re: [RBW] Re: SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics

2010-01-09 Thread CycloFiend
on 1/9/10 4:56 AM, Mark at mclbicy...@gmail.com wrote: > This comment may be premature, but I hope Riv doesnt start making it a > habit to have only ONE color Rivs like the Gomez and Foy. What I mean > is that the headbadge needs the two tone to accent the steel lugs. So, > I do not mind that ther

[RBW] Best fenders for a QB

2010-01-09 Thread johnb
I have a 52cm QB that I would like to replace the current single stay SKS fenders that don't really work with the rear wheel sliding back and forth. I could actually go on and on about their limitations... So with the idea that the fender must be adjusted somewhat frequently to deal with the wheel

[RBW] Re: Vittoria Randonneur

2010-01-09 Thread awilliams53
Schwalbe Marathons for about 1,500 miles = No flats. Does that mean I'm doomed as well? Andy On Jan 8, 6:54 pm, Angus wrote: > "I havent had a flat since August." > > Now that Beth has doomed herself to a double flat on her next ride > > (Just kidding Beth)  :-) > > On Jan 8, 1:15 pm, Beth

Re: [RBW] Re: SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics

2010-01-09 Thread CycloFiend
on 1/9/10 4:56 AM, Mark at mclbicy...@gmail.com wrote: > This comment may be premature, but I hope Riv doesnt start making it a > habit to have only ONE color Rivs like the Gomez and Foy. What I mean > is that the headbadge needs the two tone to accent the steel lugs. So, > I do not mind that ther

RE: [RBW] Best fenders for a QB

2010-01-09 Thread Frederick, Steve
Hey, John-I have a 52cm Quickbeam, too! Is yours the sidepull/650b-wheeled version? Mine is, and I'm putting SKS P-50's on it. I've used them on my Saluki and they give good coverage and a decent fenderline with 650bX38-40mm tires. I plan to either use the SKS quick release plugs in the rear

[RBW] Re: Best fenders for a QB

2010-01-09 Thread johnb
Nice Saluki! Yes I have sidepull/6650b config. On Jan 9, 10:33 am, "Frederick, Steve" wrote: > Hey, John-I have a 52cm Quickbeam, too!  Is yours the sidepull/650b-wheeled > version?  Mine is, and I'm putting SKS P-50's on it.  I've used them on my > Saluki and they give good coverage and a dec

Re: [RBW] SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics

2010-01-09 Thread Bill Connell
I like this frame a lot, but I'm also biased toward silver frames (my first road bike was a silver Raleigh). The only detail I'm not wild about is the seatstay attachment at the top, which is reminiscent of too many Huffies, but still a minor point. If anything, the lugs are fancier than I'd expect

[RBW] Re: Best fenders for a QB

2010-01-09 Thread Ken Yokanovich
I miss my poor Quickbeam, but while I had it, it served as the do all beater. I used 50mm Berthoud fenders with mudflap on the front. The extra length of the front fender plus flap did wonders to keep feet dry and the bike relatively "clean." The durability of the metal was a big PLUS too. I'v

[RBW] Re: Sackville Rando Bag?

2010-01-09 Thread Mike
That frame looks great. I generally like lugged frames with contrasting head and seat tubes but for a "budget" frame it's fine. I like that the color is reminiscent of the Romulus. I also noticed that Sackville bag in the background. I've been very happy with the 2 Sackville bags I have. I don't n

[RBW] Re: Best fenders for a QB

2010-01-09 Thread newenglandbike
I have SKS P45's on my quickbeam right now, and they are extra tough. I had these same ones on another bike before too. They've seen some action that IMO more than proved their mettle in the toughness category. I put a put a homemade mud-flap on the front fender, and with 35mm tires they give

Re: [RBW] Re: Best fenders for a QB

2010-01-09 Thread Eric Norris
What, no Mudflap Girl? --Eric www.wheelsnorth.org www.campyonly.com On Jan 9, 2010, at 7:42 AM, Ken Yokanovich wrote: I miss my poor Quickbeam, but while I had it, it served as the do all beater. I used 50mm Berthoud fenders with mudflap on the front. The extra length of the front fender plu

[RBW] Fwd: [DBC] Los Angeles doctor gets 5 years for injuring cyclists

2010-01-09 Thread Eric Norris
Some good news out of Los Angeles ... --Eric www.wheelsnorth.org www.campyonly.com Begin forwarded message: From: b...@copper.net Date: January 8, 2010 10:17:04 PM PST To: d...@dbclist.org Subject: [DBC] Los Angeles doctor gets 5 years for injuring cyclists Reply-To: b...@copper.net This stor

Re: [RBW] Fwd: [DBC] Los Angeles doctor gets 5 years for injuring cyclists

2010-01-09 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Eric Norris wrote: > Some good news out of Los Angeles ... > > Good news in that it will God willing make other agressive motorists think before assaulting, but let's please (and this is not directed at Eric) not have any gloating; the poor bastard is going to pay

Re: [RBW] Best fenders for a QB

2010-01-09 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I have track ends only one fendered bike, my Monocog -- the other fenders are on bikes with horizontals -- and I solved my problem with the PB Cascadias by simply cutting the rear short (at the leading edge) so that it stops just far enough aft to keep my be'hind (accent first syllable) and Nelson

[RBW] Re: Best fenders for a QB

2010-01-09 Thread johnb
Anyone ever try the Soma Fab fenders? On Jan 9, 11:42 am, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > I have track ends only one fendered bike, my Monocog -- the other fenders > are on bikes with horizontals -- and I solved my problem with the PB > Cascadias by simply cutting the rear short (at the leading edge) so t

Re: [RBW] SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics

2010-01-09 Thread James Dinneen
Thanks for the pictures. Do we have any explanation of the bikes intended purpose (fast road, touring, all round country bike)?  Jim D.   Massachusetts --- On Sat, 1/9/10, CycloFiend wrote: From: CycloFiend Subject: Re: [RBW] SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics To: rbw-owners-bunch@google

[RBW] Re: SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics

2010-01-09 Thread Mark
Jim, Thanks for the kind reminders. I realize that Humour and (especially mine) is easily misinterpretted. I'm glad most around here understand. Thank again! I do understand the cost issues and I suppose that this will atleast give people an option, single or double scooped? I dont understand

RE: [RBW] Best fenders for a QB

2010-01-09 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
I just put Woody's fenders http://www.woodysfenders.com on my Quickbeam, and left the rear stays long so I can just pull the bottom rear of the fender rearward (the wood is very flexible) to get the tire out. Saw the idea for the wood fenders to solve this problem here. http://www.flickr.com/p

RE: [RBW] Best fenders for a QB

2010-01-09 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
But I notice that on Protorio's Quickbeam set, there are no other pictures with the Woody's -- maybe they didn't work out. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Allingham II, Thomas J Sent: Saturday, January 09

Re: [RBW] SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics

2010-01-09 Thread Dustin Sharp
Not sure if I missed it in an earlier post, but anyone know why Riv would help SOMA on a new frame that essentially hits the same price-point as Riv¹s new Taiwan-made frames? Not that I¹m against collaboration, just trying to understand the business rationale, and wondering how many $1000 lugged

[RBW] Re: SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics

2010-01-09 Thread RoadieRyan
Jason Thanks for these pics I was eagerly awaiting more after that first teaser and you have delivered! It will be interesting to see how this frame compares to the SamH and stanyan. More of a low cost Roadeo? 650b? Love the color and the lugs, I agree with "surf" that a creamish headtube to se

[RBW] Re: SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics

2010-01-09 Thread Esteban
Yesterday, I saw the SOMA, and the boxy bag. Details on the bag will come soon from Grant, but its a very nice looking bag. Magnets. The SOMA looks as it does in the photos - very nice looking, and because Rivendell is the partner, it should ride very nice. The color is very close to a Romulus.

[RBW] Re: Best fenders for a QB

2010-01-09 Thread Esteban
Well...I *do* live in San Diego! :) Here's another with crap fender lines: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/3887418406/ I think the Woodys work very well. Because they don't have a lip, they're not going to be as effective as SKS or metal fenders in really wet conditions, but they'll k

Re: [RBW] Re: SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics

2010-01-09 Thread rswat...@me.com
So... what's the tubing on this baby? Thin-n-flexy or fat-n-stiff? If Riv made a nice, noodly non-OS frame, I'd be very tempted. Ryan On Jan 9, 2010, at 10:51, RoadieRyan wrote: Jason Thanks for these pics I was eagerly awaiting more after that first teaser and you have delivered! It will

[RBW] Re: SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics

2010-01-09 Thread Esteban
RIv lugs, so OS tubing, I'd guess. On Jan 9, 10:23 am, "rswat...@me.com" wrote: > So... what's the tubing on this baby? > Thin-n-flexy or fat-n-stiff? > If Riv made a nice, noodly non-OS frame, I'd be very tempted. > > Ryan > > On Jan 9, 2010, at 10:51, RoadieRyan wrote: > > > Jason > > > Thanks

Re: [RBW] Re: SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics

2010-01-09 Thread Bruce
The photos show a Tange Prestige tubing label. You can see the details on this tubeset at the Tange web site. It's a sturdy non heat treated cro moly. Not noodly in any way shape or form. From: "rswat...@me.com" To: "rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com" Sent:

[RBW] The Noodle

2010-01-09 Thread Dustin Sharp
If they had the balls to call it "The Noodle" and sold it with Noodle bars, I'd buy one too! They could have a pretty cool logo with a spaghetti noodle running through the letters too. Grant was country was country wasn't cool with the 650B stuff, so maybe he'll one day take up the banner of Non-O

Re: [RBW] Re: Best fenders for a QB

2010-01-09 Thread Bill Gibson
I put Berthouds on, and they work well, but the flaring rear fender has the potential to trap and jam a stick or something. I had to carefully shave off any bolts protruding inside the fenders with a dremel-type grinder and hand filing to provide enough room for different gear combinations, and the

Re: [RBW] The Noodle

2010-01-09 Thread cyclotourist
I think the Soba bars would be a better fit for it! On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Dustin Sharp wrote: > If they had the balls to call it "The Noodle" and sold it with Noodle bars, > I'd buy one too! They could have a pretty cool logo with a spaghetti noodle > running through the letters too.

RE: [RBW] Re: Best fenders for a QB

2010-01-09 Thread Rene Valbuena
If I may give my two-cents worth: I also had some problems removing rear wheels from bikes with metal fenders. But I learned that deflating the tires usually does the trick. Inflating the tires again is a less hassle than adjusting the fenders every time;-] -- Rene -Original Message- From

[RBW] Re: SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics

2010-01-09 Thread Aaron Thomas
I agree with Ryan W. If they came out with a thin-n-flexy roadie frame, I'd be tempted, especially if it were painted the nice single color blue like this one is and had a horizontal (or nearly so) top tube. But if I had to guess based on the photos, I'd say this is an OS fat-n- stiff job. Just lo

[RBW] Re: The Noodle

2010-01-09 Thread JL
With the the lugs, eyelet, dropout, Tange steel combination it looks to me like a Soma branded AHH crossover. No doubt it will be a 700c ( some isn't there with 650b yet) bike. I was interested in this frame until I heard the words "slopping top tube, fewer sizes", that design idea is just not f

Re: [RBW] Re: SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics

2010-01-09 Thread James Warren
I'd be way into that. I'd love to have a 64-65 cm RB-1. (The largest they came in the Bridgestone Golden Age was 62 cm, and I make mine work.) For certain kinds of rides, it's the best bike I have. -Jim W. > >I've said it before (ad nauseum perhaps), but what I'd really like to >see is a reis

[RBW] wtb: moustache bar

2010-01-09 Thread Dave Minyard
Anyone have a moustache bar w/25.4 clamp size they would want to part with? My son is looking for a pair for his Surly. Thanks, Dave Santa Maria, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-

[RBW] Re: Sackville Rando Bag?

2010-01-09 Thread Jason
The bag in the pic is what I believe is the last of the Nigel Smith big bags. There is one more left at the shop and to the best of my knowledge they are focusing on the Sackville bags. All the guys there made a point that I was getting the last one of its kind. This one was the floor model. The on

[RBW] Re: Best fenders for a QB

2010-01-09 Thread johnb
Great bike! What is the front bag on your QB? On Jan 9, 1:39 pm, Bill Gibson wrote: > I put Berthouds on, and they work well, but the flaring rear fender > has the potential to trap and jam a stick or something. I had to > carefully shave off any bolts protruding inside the fenders with a > dreme

[RBW] Re: wtb: moustache bar

2010-01-09 Thread Justin August
I have a totally unused pair with a 26.0 clamp. email me: justinaug...@gmail.com -Justin On Jan 9, 2:28 pm, Dave Minyard wrote: > Anyone have a moustache bar w/25.4 clamp size they would want to part with? > My son is looking for a pair for his Surly. > > Thanks, > > Dave > Santa Maria, Ca. --

[RBW] Re: Sackville Rando Bag?

2010-01-09 Thread cyclofiend
Update has now appeared on the SOMAfeed blog - http://somafab.blogspot.com/2010/01/rivendell-collaborates-with-soma-on.html Their description fills in a lot of the questions and fill-in-the- blanks that have popped up so far. - Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

[RBW] Re: SOMA Riv. Prototyp pics

2010-01-09 Thread manueljohnacosta
On Jan 9, 7:32 am, CycloFiend wrote: > on 1/9/10 4:56 AM, Mark at mclbicy...@gmail.com wrote: > > > This comment may be premature, but I hope Riv doesnt start making it a > > habit to have only ONE color Rivs like the Gomez and Foy. What I mean > > is that the headbadge needs the two tone to acc

[RBW] Re: The Noodle

2010-01-09 Thread manueljohnacosta
n/m Found this on the Soma blog. http://somafab.blogspot.com/2010/01/rivendell-collaborates-with-soma-on.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscr

[RBW] Re: The Noodle

2010-01-09 Thread manueljohnacosta
ha. Offical Soma flickr. Pictures look amazing http://www.flickr.com/photos/somafab/4251591019/in/set-72157623051232657/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: The Noodle

2010-01-09 Thread JL
Well, after reading the Somafeed post about the bike I stand corrected. Way to go Soma. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group,

[RBW] Re: Best fenders for a QB

2010-01-09 Thread Angus
John, I use double stay SKS fenders and added the black "release things" that are usually used on the front fenders. http://www.flickr.com/photos/16951...@n08/3477961737/sizes/o/ This allows me to "release" the fenders when I want to complete remove the wheel. I set the fenders up to clear the

[RBW] My Custom Painted Betty Foy

2010-01-09 Thread Crazy4Suki
After reading a post about the new Riv/Soma frame and hearing folks talk about one-colored frames... I thought I'd share some pics of my Cream and Red Betty that were posted up on Ecovelo today. http://www.ecovelo.info/2010/01/09/gallery-karens-rivendell-betty-foy/#comment-23925 -- You received t

[RBW] Re: My Custom Painted Betty Foy

2010-01-09 Thread Mike
Very very nice. Congrats on the new bike. On Jan 9, 11:16 am, Crazy4Suki wrote: > After reading a post about the new Riv/Soma frame and hearing folks > talk about one-colored frames... I thought I'd share some pics of my > Cream and Red Betty that were posted up on Ecovelo today. > > http://www.e

[RBW] Re: My Custom Painted Betty Foy

2010-01-09 Thread Angus
When you typed "Cream and Red" I envision the inverse paint sceme. What a pleasant surprise: this is a very nice looking Rivendell! Thanks for sharing the pictures. Angus On Jan 9, 1:16 pm, Crazy4Suki wrote: > After reading a post about the new Riv/Soma frame and hearing folks > talk about one

[RBW] Re: Fwd: [DBC] Los Angeles doctor gets 5 years for injuring cyclists

2010-01-09 Thread Brad Gantt
I believe he deserved what he got. It's not gloating as much as a wake- up call for those who don't seem to view cyclists as people. I've ridden that road hundreds of times. What he did was inexcusable. On Jan 9, 8:40 am, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Eric Norris wrote:

[RBW] Re: Fwd: [DBC] Los Angeles doctor gets 5 years for injuring cyclists

2010-01-09 Thread newenglandbike
This and the stupid facebook page that someone pointed out over in iBOB are really scary.Just hearing about this kind of animosity, I'm sure, is enough to deter some folks from riding their bike to work out of fear of some kind of hate-crime against bicycle riders.That just adds to the trag

[RBW] Check out new rivbike blog post

2010-01-09 Thread amoll68
WOW! Grant just posted a long one, dated January 10, with lots of info. Glad I've got an AHH already. He mentions that the Toyo bikes are going away. I understand the Bombadil, Roadeo are built by Waterford - aren't they also currently building the 700c AHHs? Anybody know if that will continue? A

[RBW] Re: Check out new rivbike blog post

2010-01-09 Thread amoll68
EDIT: The Japanese Toyo bikes are going away, and the new bikes are being built by Toyo's new Taiwan branch - forks still made in Japan. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@goo

Re: [RBW] Re: Best fenders for a QB

2010-01-09 Thread Bill Gibson
That's Hobo bag, also NLA from Rivendell, but I think I like the new Brand V handlebar bag is even better in some ways: easier to load & retrieve stuff, great map case & visibility, easy on and off, and a good size for a universal bar bag. Rivendell says it's meant only for drop bars, but I use min

[RBW] Re: Check out new rivbike blog post

2010-01-09 Thread Michael_S
quite a bit of info in that new post... a new decade, the global economy has changed the way many business's are run and Rivendell is no exception. One thing he did not mention is the Soma-Riv joint projects. I think we are all curious about what that collaboration will bring to the table. But chan

[RBW] Re: Check out new rivbike blog post

2010-01-09 Thread Rocky B
Grant DID mention about the Soma-Riv joint project in his post... On Jan 9, 10:09 pm, Michael_S wrote: > quite a bit of info in that new post... a new decade, the global > economy has changed the way many business's are run and Rivendell is > no exception. One thing he did not mention is the Soma

[RBW] Re: Check out new rivbike blog post

2010-01-09 Thread Michael_S
boy, how did I miss that! Lots of good info on both the Riv site and on Somafeed. Sounds like a really nice frame, let's hope it survives the "buisness case" analysis. On Jan 9, 8:13 pm, Rocky B wrote: > Grant DID mention about the Soma-Riv joint project in his post... > > On Jan 9, 10:09 pm, Mi

[RBW] Re: wtb: moustache bar

2010-01-09 Thread Bill M.
I have a 25.4 in the parts bin - PM me. Bill On Jan 9, 11:28 am, Dave Minyard wrote: > Anyone have a moustache bar w/25.4 clamp size they would want to part with? > My son is looking for a pair for his Surly. > > Thanks, > > Dave > Santa Maria, Ca. -- You received this message because you are s

[RBW] Re: My Custom Painted Betty Foy

2010-01-09 Thread Philip Williamson
That's lovely. I didn't know EcoVelo had that gallery - it looks like something to explore. Congratulations on your new bike - I hope you're very happy together! Philip On Jan 9, 11:16 am, Crazy4Suki wrote: > After reading a post about the new Riv/Soma frame and hearing folks > talk about one-c

[RBW] Re: Check out new rivbike blog post

2010-01-09 Thread Jeremy Till
So it looks heading forward like they've got San Marcos (road)- Hillborne (country)- Hunqapiller (touring/trail) on the low end and Rodeo (road)-Bombadil (tour/trail) on the high end, with the SingleOne and Mixtes. That's a pretty good lineup. Only thing missing is a high end country bike (AHH),