Not to mention the expert color coordination and camouflage. The tape of
invisibility, juxtaposed with the brightest and the most reflective bits. A
study in beausage. Melly Kalikimaka all!
On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Way Rebb wrote:
> Zip tied duct tape mud flaps half way through their se
Oh my !!!
Only in the underground environment..
My Western Electric mentor told me NEVER use zip ties. Pros always sew their
cables...(insert smiley face here)
So now, I can't help it..I sew pumps to top bars, cable housing to the
frame, bags to handlbar or saddle..christmas lights to railings, pla
And judging by the colors seen, this must have been Red Green's bike
From: Angus
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 6:25:30 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Vindicated Once Again
Ray,
That takes the cake!
Merry Christmass eve
Ray,
That takes the cake!
Merry Christmass everyone!
Angus
On Dec 24, 11:30 pm, Way Rebb wrote:
> Zip tied duct tape mud flaps half way through their second winter
> (okay a No Cal winter):
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/5289538488/
>
> A good rugged bike deserves good rugged mud flaps
Zip tied duct tape mud flaps half way through their second winter
(okay a No Cal winter):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/5289538488/
A good rugged bike deserves good rugged mud flaps. Of course if this
was a custom or a Betty I'd use Monster Tape, but duct tape is plenty
good for the Hillbor
"Things 'look
good' because they are functional."
Amen. You could write a book on that. Someone probably has. And to all
a good night.
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t; > > > Wow! I've always used zipties for fendres and baskets. I'm curious how
> > > > one
> > > > efficiently mounts a basket to a front rack with anything other than
> > > > zip ties?
> > > > Pix to back it up?
>
> >
> efficiently mounts a basket to a front rack with anything other than zip
> > > ties?
> > > Pix to back it up?
>
> > > ____________
> > > From: Philip Williamson
> > > To: RBW Owners Bunch
> > > Sent: Thu, December
I'm curious how one
> > efficiently mounts a basket to a front rack with anything other than zip
> > ties?
> > Pix to back it up?
>
> >
> > From: Philip Williamson
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch
> > Sent: Thu, Decembe
Zip-ties are the best option for us weight weenies, haha.
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On Dec 23, 10:50 pm, rob markwardt wrote:
> I always tell my 7th grade students...focus on yourself, not what
> others are doing.
Love it! I'm a social worker and am often reminded of something my
graduate internship supervisor said to me--"Don't argue with crazy
people, you'll lose every time."
The google tells the tale:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_tie
Inventor is said to Thomas & Betts - seems to be a corporate creation.
-Jimd
On Dec 23, 2010, at 10:04 PM, grant wrote:
I hope the inventor of the zip-tie didn't die broke.
Beth
THIS---forget about the pro-Riv context or any
mounts a basket to a front rack with anything other than zip
> > ties?
> > Pix to back it up?
>
> > ____
> > From: Philip Williamson
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch
> > Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 5:26:24 PM
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Vindicate
Grant -- thanks for looking out for me. If this ever gets in print
I'll be in touch about your finder's fee. ..::wink::.. --Beth
On Dec 23, 10:04 pm, grant wrote:
> I hope the inventor of the zip-tie didn't die broke.
>
> Beth
>
> THIS---forget about the pro-Riv context or any associations---TH
On Dec 23, 5:02 pm, Mike wrote:
"Grant once made a comment about his bikes being like him, slightly
disheveled. I like that. I'm certainly disheveled."
Yeah, so I am; but I bet neither of you ever used your niece's
tangerine gloss nail polish to touch up a scrape on your
Rivendell...::grin::.
...and not in anyone of those situations listed below, will you find a Ty-Wrap
used to secure metal to metal.
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 24, 2010, at 7:28 AM, Angus wrote:
>
> http://www-public.tnb.com/ps/pubint/index.cgi?a=heritage
>
> From the Thomas & Betts web site:
>
> "In 1958, Thomas &
http://www-public.tnb.com/ps/pubint/index.cgi?a=heritage
>From the Thomas & Betts web site:
"In 1958, Thomas & Betts secured a place in engineering history when
it developed the Ty-Rap® cable tie to facilitate assembling wire
harnesses in airplanes. In the first month, sales were $350. Today,
Th
Well said Patrick and may I add-every person reading this is a good corporate
citizen.
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 24, 2010, at 12:43 AM, JimD wrote:
> Well, once you get your mind right zip ties just might be the preferred
> solution in many
> applications. Nuts, screws, and washers are so yest
I love it!
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On Dec 24, 2010, at 1:50 AM, rob markwardt wrote:
> I always tell my 7th grade students...focus on yourself, not what
> others are doing.
>
> On Dec 23, 10:34 pm, Mike wrote:
>> On Dec 23, 9:15 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>>
>>> I am with Robert here in his depreca
ts a basket to a front rack with anything other than zip
> ties?
> Pix to back it up?
>
>
> From: Philip Williamson
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 5:26:24 PM
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Vindicated Once Again
>
&
Yup, I agree with everybody. I love, and prefer elegant AND reliable
solutions. Zip ties are a hack - but I'm okay with that in some
situations.
Wondering if the OP, JimD, was talking specifically about the
Sackville flaps. See - they are designed to be mounted with zip ties.
I like some things ab
I always tell my 7th grade students...focus on yourself, not what
others are doing.
On Dec 23, 10:34 pm, Mike wrote:
> On Dec 23, 9:15 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>
> > I am with Robert here in his deprecation of zip ties: why use zip ties
> > if you can find something that works and looks better w
On Dec 23, 9:15 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> I am with Robert here in his deprecation of zip ties: why use zip ties
> if you can find something that works and looks better without (third
> condition) undue (note the qualification) exertion or expense? A pop
> rivet or simple nut 'n' bolt are often v
Jim,
At 09:08hrs you posted about cleaning tan sidewalls and suggested that
maybe you would switch to a tire with a black sidewall. Then at
10:14hrs you started this thread. Was this a calculated attack on the
sensibilities of some of the group members? Your first post kind of
sputtered but this o
I hope the inventor of the zip-tie didn't die broke.
Beth
THIS---forget about the pro-Riv context or any associations---THIS
quote belongs in a coffee table book. I wish I'd said it, but I'm glad
to know the person who did. There's only one complicated word in it
("inventor"), but it was necessar
Well, once you get your mind right zip ties just might be the
preferred solution in many
applications. Nuts, screws, and washers are so yesterday.
...as you can see, I'm converted.
-JimD
On Dec 23, 2010, at 9:15 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
I am with Robert here in his deprecation of zip ties: wh
to a front rack with anything other than zip
> ties? Pix to back it up?
>
> From: Philip Williamson
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 5:26:24 PM
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Vindicated Once Again
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2:18 pm, Steve Palincsar w
Patrick,
Thank you for the below argument!! I"m quoting you to my wife as an
excuse to purchase the Poncho and Rain Hat on Riv which she thinks is
weird.. and I just quoted it to her verbally as I stated I needed it
for my mental well being.. saftey and individualism.
Owe ya a beer next one of t
> efficiently mounts a basket to a front rack with anything other than zip
> ties? Pix to back it up?
>
>
> From: Philip Williamson
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 5:26:24 PM
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Vindicate
I am with Robert here in his deprecation of zip ties: why use zip ties
if you can find something that works and looks better without (third
condition) undue (note the qualification) exertion or expense? A pop
rivet or simple nut 'n' bolt are often very easy, are certainly
sturdier and, IME, look be
dres and baskets. I'm curious how one
> efficiently mounts a basket to a front rack with anything other than zip
> ties?
> Pix to back it up?
>
>
> From: Philip Williamson
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 5:26
10 5:26:24 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Vindicated Once Again
On Dec 23, 2:18 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 13:56 -0800, JimD wrote:
>
> > Seriously, if you get your mind right (and it took some time for me to
> > do so), zip ties aren't a 'hack&
On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 18:03 -0800, JimD wrote:
> One man's koolaid is another man's pinot noir.
Bottoms up!
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One man's koolaid is another man's pinot noir.
-JimD
On Dec 23, 2010, at 2:18 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 13:56 -0800, JimD wrote:
Seriously, if you get your mind right (and it took some time for me
to
do so), zip ties aren't a 'hack'.
They're an ingenious solution to
Well the 'correct' use of zip ties involves purposeful, even tasteful,
selection of color.
Otherwise, you are correct sir, it's just another hack.
-JimD
On Dec 23, 2010, at 2:59 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote:
But to me they really do look a lot
better. Black zip-ties are such a hack. :)
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On Dec 23, 2:18 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 13:56 -0800, JimD wrote:
>
> > Seriously, if you get your mind right (and it took some time for me to
> > do so), zip ties aren't a 'hack'.
> > They're an ingenious solution to many faster/fastening problems.
>
> Yes, but the Salu
...and on that note, Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Mike wrote:
> On Dec 23, 4:18 pm, robert zeidler wrote:
>
> > These bikes may get ridden more (doubtful), but they most certainly will
> be
> > repaired more. I'm thinking mostly of Grant's
On Dec 23, 4:18 pm, robert zeidler wrote:
> These bikes may get ridden more (doubtful), but they most certainly will be
> repaired more. I'm thinking mostly of Grant's zip-tie-ing mud-flaps and
> fenders. It's hack work.
I don't see how a zip tied fender flap will lead to a bike getting
repai
The ones with zip-ties through the bosses. (Just kidding!)
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 16:31 -0800, Erik C wrote:
> >
> > > Well, metal fenders look better, work better and weigh less. Plastic
> > > fenders are cheaper and easier to remove. A
Not sure where the insult part comes in, I'm certainly not intentionally
insulting anyone, it's a free country. Let me explain further.
I've been reading this list forever also. People buy these bikes ($3K for a
custom), hang the finest components they can afford on them, and obsessively
discuss
On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 13:13 -0800, rperks wrote:
> I have been looking at all the pictures of the Saluki frames I could
> find, and nowhere did I see the fittings for the "mud flap".
Mud flaps are mounted by bolting them to the bottom edge of the fender.
http://www.freewebs.com/palincss/angle_side
On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 16:31 -0800, Erik C wrote:
>
> > Well, metal fenders look better, work better and weigh less. Plastic
> > fenders are cheaper and easier to remove. Anything else?
>
> I'd add durability to the chromoplastic side.
That appears to be a function of how well the metal fenders
robert,
for as long as i've been on this list, any number of folks have felt the
need, as you did, to tell us how stupid/silly/hack we are for putting
zip-ties on thousand dollar bicycles. and, for as long as i've been on this
list, people have been responded to appropriately to insult with defens
They have their place.
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Kelly Sleeper wrote:
> Zip ties have a place and many viable uses. A hack in one place, a good
> fastener in another.
>
> Wouldn't using zips on the mud flap give more clearance for tires? I know
> those lock nuts are limiting on my ahh.
Metal fenders front anyway are longer and will protect that light mounted in a
mini rack.
Kelly
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On Dec 23, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Erik C wrote:
>
>
>> Well, metal fenders look better, work better and weigh less. Plastic
>> fenders are cheaper and easier to remove. Anything
Zip ties have a place and many viable uses. A hack in one place, a good
fastener in another.
Wouldn't using zips on the mud flap give more clearance for tires? I know
those lock nuts are limiting on my ahh.
Could be zips are even practical ... At times.
H
Kelly
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> Well, metal fenders look better, work better and weigh less. Plastic
> fenders are cheaper and easier to remove. Anything else?
I'd add durability to the chromoplastic side.
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Well said. Regardless of one's motivation and intentions, these are pricey
bikes to get to the final build-up. Not trying to appear as some elitist,
but it is what what is. Grant uses these things because he's experimenting
with stuff. I've never received any bike from them built-up with plasti
On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 14:59 -0800, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote:
>
> And, though I love the look of metal fenders and am soon to try them
> out, let us not pretend that metal fenders are uniformly better in
> every way than chromoplastic or even normal plastic fenders.
> (Chromo)plastic fenders have pr
I learned quickly when I began working in the telecom industry (over
40 years ago) that BLACK zip-ties are the ONLY ones that will remain
largely unaffected by weather and UV radiation. All other colors
eventually fade, crack, and break. That's also the reason why the
outer sheath on plastic insu
+1, Ms. H.
+1
(Though I might qualify that "job" with "good-paying".)
When I first mounted a mud flap on a bicycle fender, it was a black
leather mud flap that I mounted with screws/washers/nuts/loc-tite.
Onto SKS (chromoplastic) fenders. One screw fell out after a couple
hundred miles of what w
On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 13:56 -0800, JimD wrote:
>
>
> Seriously, if you get your mind right (and it took some time for me to
> do so), zip ties aren't a 'hack'.
> They're an ingenious solution to many faster/fastening problems.
Yes, but the Saluki doesn't present those problems.
And yes, in this
The mudflaps look great. The zips are very understated (and lighter
than milk).
My only problem with zipties is I've had them get brittle and break,
so I don't trust them.
Philip
Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com
On Dec 23, 10:14 am, JimD wrote:
> For the longest time I've eschewed the use
Seriously, if you get your mind right (and it took some time for me to
do so), zip ties aren't a 'hack'.
They're an ingenious solution to many faster/fastening problems.
Of course some have made the same claims for duct tape and even
bailing wire.
-JimD
On Dec 23, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Beth
I have been looking at all the pictures of the Saluki frames I could
find, and nowhere did I see the fittings for the "mud flap".
On Dec 23, 12:09 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 10:14 -0800, JimD wrote:
>
> > I'd been procrastinating about installing mudflaps on the Saluki.
>
On Dec 23, 2:16 pm, robert zeidler wrote:
> With no disrespect to anyone, especially during this joyous time, plastic
> ties on a +/- $4000.00 bike is just atrocious. Learn the use of a few basic
> tools and use the correct fasteners. For a "get-you-home" or temp repair,
> OK, but in the words o
Have been running zip ties for mud flaps on my Sam Hillborne since it
was new. Actually prefer them to screws on plastic fenders.
Then again, the bike doesn't even have matching mudflaps. So am not
the fashionista with this.
Back in the 1980's Moots designed their mountain bike fenders to be
mo
If zip ties were covered by a patent and cost 6 bucks a pair people
would be raving over them like bee's knees.
In keeping with the sidewall thread, maybe some one needs to invent
some brass zip ties... Phil's Brassy Ties.
Merry Christmas,
-Allan
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I'm fine with zipties. They work well and I can't see them when I'm
actually riding the bike. I do wish they were reused.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/4635658276/in/set-72157624126049816/
Zipties? What zipties? I don't see know stinking zipties!
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