robert, for as long as i've been on this list, any number of folks have felt the need, as you did, to tell us how stupid/silly/hack we are for putting zip-ties on thousand dollar bicycles. and, for as long as i've been on this list, people have been responded to appropriately to insult with defense of the practice. it's not surprising, if a bit boring.
erik On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 6:25 PM, robert zeidler <zeidler.rob...@gmail.com>wrote: > Well said. Regardless of one's motivation and intentions, these are pricey > bikes to get to the final build-up. Not trying to appear as some elitist, > but it is what what is. Grant uses these things because he's experimenting > with stuff. I've never received any bike from them built-up with plastic. > Geez why does everything have to become some class-warfare thing? It's a > comment on workmanship not status. > > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 4:56 PM, JimD <rasterd...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> >> Seriously, if you get your mind right (and it took some time for me to do >> so), zip ties aren't a 'hack'. >> They're an ingenious solution to many faster/fastening problems. >> >> Of course some have made the same claims for duct tape and even bailing >> wire. >> -JimD >> >> On Dec 23, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Beth H wrote: >> >> On Dec 23, 2:16 pm, robert zeidler <zeidler.rob...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> With no disrespect to anyone, especially during this joyous time, plastic >> >> ties on a +/- $4000.00 bike is just atrocious. Learn the use of a few >> basic >> >> tools and use the correct fasteners. For a "get-you-home" or temp repair, >> >> OK, but in the words of my first shop-teacher, it's "hack". >> >> >> I suggest that while Rivendell definitely markets to the rider with "a >> job and bicycle prorities", the underlying aesthetic of Rivendell >> bikes is absolutely a loving and benign sense of "hack". For evidence, >> I submit the old tan Atlantis flyer of several years ago, which showed >> a number of Atlantii (??) in various types of build-up, with all >> manner of baskets, zip-ties and other funkinesses on them. I'd also >> look up Grant's multiple articles/photo essays on "Beausage" (a word I >> still stumble over when I actually try to use it in a sentence because >> it feels made-up), all of which practically glorify the bike that is >> well-ridden, a bit dirty, maybe even a little dented and has paint >> worn off the edges of the fork crown and all the stays. >> >> While some folks may ride a $4,000.00 bike because it's spendy or >> fancy, some folks may choose to ride a $4,000.00 Rivendell simply >> because it's well-made, and durable enough to see them out. And for >> those of us who fall into that category, there are lovely zip-ties. >> >> I hope the inventor of the zip-tie didn't die broke. >> >> Beth >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- oakland, ca bikenoir.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
