Well, once you get your mind right zip ties just might be the
preferred solution in many
applications. Nuts, screws, and washers are so yesterday.
...as you can see, I'm converted.
-JimD
On Dec 23, 2010, at 9:15 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
I am with Robert here in his deprecation of zip ties: why use zip ties
if you can find something that works and looks better without (third
condition) undue (note the qualification) exertion or expense? A pop
rivet or simple nut 'n' bolt are often very easy, are certainly
sturdier and, IME, look better in most places.
Beside, any Rivendell is an elitist bike, even a slumming Sam Hill
(What? You say that $1250 for f + f + hs is not elitist? Tell that to
the next person buying a $500 Trek); and we might as well admit that
and dress them up accordingly.
OTOH, if someone wants to use zip ties on his $10K Cervelo or $8K Rene
Herse or $2500 Sam Hill -- to attach his duct tape mudflap, of course
-- why not? It's just weird, not evil, and the world is usually better
off for a little harmless weirdness -- lest we all become excessively
good little corporate citizens with bland hair and in bland suits.
There. I've contributed both to the objection and the defense and now
I feel better.
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 5:36 PM, erik jensen <bicyclen...@gmail.com>
wrote:
robert,
for as long as i've been on this list, any number of folks have
felt the
need, as you did, to tell us how stupid/silly/hack we are for putting
zip-ties on thousand dollar bicycles. and, for as long as i've been
on this
list, people have been responded to appropriately to insult with
defense of
the practice. it's not surprising, if a bit boring.
erik
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 6:25 PM, robert zeidler <zeidler.rob...@gmail.com
>
wrote:
Well said. Regardless of one's motivation and intentions, these are
pricey bikes to get to the final build-up. Not trying to appear
as some
elitist, but it is what what is. Grant uses these things because
he's
experimenting with stuff. I've never received any bike from them
built-up
with plastic. Geez why does everything have to become some class-
warfare
thing? It's a comment on workmanship not status.
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 4:56 PM, JimD <rasterd...@comcast.net>
wrote:
Seriously, if you get your mind right (and it took some time for
me to do
so), zip ties aren't a 'hack'.
They're an ingenious solution to many faster/fastening problems.
Of course some have made the same claims for duct tape and even
bailing
wire.
-JimD
On Dec 23, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Beth H wrote:
On Dec 23, 2:16 pm, robert zeidler <zeidler.rob...@gmail.com>
wrote:
With no disrespect to anyone, especially during this joyous time,
plastic
ties on a +/- $4000.00 bike is just atrocious. Learn the use of
a few
basic
tools and use the correct fasteners. For a "get-you-home" or temp
repair,
OK, but in the words of my first shop-teacher, it's "hack".
I suggest that while Rivendell definitely markets to the rider
with "a
job and bicycle prorities", the underlying aesthetic of Rivendell
bikes is absolutely a loving and benign sense of "hack". For
evidence,
I submit the old tan Atlantis flyer of several years ago, which
showed
a number of Atlantii (??) in various types of build-up, with all
manner of baskets, zip-ties and other funkinesses on them. I'd also
look up Grant's multiple articles/photo essays on "Beausage" (a
word I
still stumble over when I actually try to use it in a sentence
because
it feels made-up), all of which practically glorify the bike that
is
well-ridden, a bit dirty, maybe even a little dented and has paint
worn off the edges of the fork crown and all the stays.
While some folks may ride a $4,000.00 bike because it's spendy or
fancy, some folks may choose to ride a $4,000.00 Rivendell simply
because it's well-made, and durable enough to see them out. And for
those of us who fall into that category, there are lovely zip-ties.
I hope the inventor of the zip-tie didn't die broke.
Beth
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