It surprises me too that this group is so divided on zip-ties. Rivendell have always seemed to promote zip-ties and such things as perfectly apt for use on their bikes. It seems they focus more on pragmatism and function in bikes than anything else. Yes, GP likes ornate lugs and cream-colored head-tubes, but to me, that's about as far as Rivendell goes in the name of aesthetics alone.*
Of course, Rivendell seems to promote other aspects of a bike's look as well, such as 'fat tires and skinny tubing', but to me this grows more out of an appreciation for the simple-yet-effective aspects of these features, i.e. the functionality and comfort. Things 'look good' because they are functional. I remember reading an interview in Bicycle Quarterly where Grant Petersen says that Rivendells are not designed to be fully integrated, pre-packaged bikes, but rather bikes that can be added-to and modified in a manner that is purpose-agnostic as possible. This philosophy is counter to the design and implementation of, say, a Rene Herse, which has become synonymous with integrated construction. I guess my take is that Grant Petersen designs the bikes, and recommends using zip-tie on them in the Rivendell Reader- along with plastic fenders, un-taped bars, mixed shifters, rubber-band parking brakes, etc.- so if you are using zip-ties on your bike, you are using it in the manner in which it was intended. In fact, on the Rivendell website right now is a photo of GP's bike, showing that he uses an alligator-clip on his Atlantis to affix maps and other paper items. Rene Herse may not have endorsed that solution. But you didn't buy a Rene Herse. Whether you use zip-ties or something else that works, whatever works well is more than good enough. * you can say what you want about extra top-tubes on their bikes, but you don't know how many crunched frames they've seen from bike-rack/ garage-door mishaps. On Dec 24, 3:31 am, Thomas Lynn Skean <thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net> wrote: > Small hose clamps lined with leather. 3 of them. No kidding. Pix > tomorrow. Wald medium on a Nitto M-12. Works great. > > Yours, > Thomas Lynn Skean > > On Dec 23, 8:56 pm, Ray Shine <r.sh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > Wow! I've always used zipties for fendres and baskets. I'm curious how one > > efficiently mounts a basket to a front rack with anything other than zip > > ties? > > Pix to back it up? > > > ________________________________ > > From: Philip Williamson <philip.william...@gmail.com> > > To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> > > Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 5:26:24 PM > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Vindicated Once Again > > > On Dec 23, 2:18 pm, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 13:56 -0800, JimD wrote: > > > > > Seriously, if you get your mind right (and it took some time for me to > > > > do so), zip ties aren't a 'hack'. > > > > They're an ingenious solution to many faster/fastening problems. > > > > Yes, but the Saluki doesn't present those problems. > > > > And yes, in this case zip ties are a hack and all the koolaid in the > > > world isn't going to change that. > > > I'm pretty sure we're talking about mudflaps, not fenders. Nuts and > > bolts for mudflaps are more of a hack than zipties. > > The couture solution would be to have two brass snaps on the trailing > > edge of every Honjo fender, and 'artisan' mudflaps that matched... > > > Philip > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW > > Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
