I am with Robert here in his deprecation of zip ties: why use zip ties if you can find something that works and looks better without (third condition) undue (note the qualification) exertion or expense? A pop rivet or simple nut 'n' bolt are often very easy, are certainly sturdier and, IME, look better in most places.
Beside, any Rivendell is an elitist bike, even a slumming Sam Hill (What? You say that $1250 for f + f + hs is not elitist? Tell that to the next person buying a $500 Trek); and we might as well admit that and dress them up accordingly. OTOH, if someone wants to use zip ties on his $10K Cervelo or $8K Rene Herse or $2500 Sam Hill -- to attach his duct tape mudflap, of course -- why not? It's just weird, not evil, and the world is usually better off for a little harmless weirdness -- lest we all become excessively good little corporate citizens with bland hair and in bland suits. There. I've contributed both to the objection and the defense and now I feel better. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 5:36 PM, erik jensen <bicyclen...@gmail.com> wrote: > robert, > > for as long as i've been on this list, any number of folks have felt the > need, as you did, to tell us how stupid/silly/hack we are for putting > zip-ties on thousand dollar bicycles. and, for as long as i've been on this > list, people have been responded to appropriately to insult with defense of > the practice. it's not surprising, if a bit boring. > > erik > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 6:25 PM, robert zeidler <zeidler.rob...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Well said. Regardless of one's motivation and intentions, these are >> pricey bikes to get to the final build-up. Not trying to appear as some >> elitist, but it is what what is. Grant uses these things because he's >> experimenting with stuff. I've never received any bike from them built-up >> with plastic. Geez why does everything have to become some class-warfare >> thing? It's a comment on workmanship not status. >> >> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 4:56 PM, JimD <rasterd...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>> Seriously, if you get your mind right (and it took some time for me to do >>> so), zip ties aren't a 'hack'. >>> They're an ingenious solution to many faster/fastening problems. >>> Of course some have made the same claims for duct tape and even bailing >>> wire. >>> -JimD >>> On Dec 23, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Beth H wrote: >>> >>> On Dec 23, 2:16 pm, robert zeidler <zeidler.rob...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> With no disrespect to anyone, especially during this joyous time, plastic >>> >>> ties on a +/- $4000.00 bike is just atrocious. Learn the use of a few >>> basic >>> >>> tools and use the correct fasteners. For a "get-you-home" or temp >>> repair, >>> >>> OK, but in the words of my first shop-teacher, it's "hack". >>> >>> I suggest that while Rivendell definitely markets to the rider with "a >>> job and bicycle prorities", the underlying aesthetic of Rivendell >>> bikes is absolutely a loving and benign sense of "hack". For evidence, >>> I submit the old tan Atlantis flyer of several years ago, which showed >>> a number of Atlantii (??) in various types of build-up, with all >>> manner of baskets, zip-ties and other funkinesses on them. I'd also >>> look up Grant's multiple articles/photo essays on "Beausage" (a word I >>> still stumble over when I actually try to use it in a sentence because >>> it feels made-up), all of which practically glorify the bike that is >>> well-ridden, a bit dirty, maybe even a little dented and has paint >>> worn off the edges of the fork crown and all the stays. >>> >>> While some folks may ride a $4,000.00 bike because it's spendy or >>> fancy, some folks may choose to ride a $4,000.00 Rivendell simply >>> because it's well-made, and durable enough to see them out. 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