[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-16 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
Ah. You describe it as I've imagined it. Sounds wonderful. Alas, I fear for my knees, being a "person of size". And I don't think I'll subject a poor SimpleOne to an experience that only a double-top-tuber should have. Sigh. It's not like I don't enjoy my (relatively) heavy, geared, lusciously- c

Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-16 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Well put. As for climbing on fixed gears, it is hard, but it has made hills enjoyable for the most part rather than a chore as I found it (note: I am speaking only of my own reactions) with derailleurs. In fact, as long as I keep the climbing reasonable -- steep but no more than 1 mile, longer but

[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-16 Thread William
Speaking of non-ironic absurd weight discussions. I overheard two guys at the 200k brevet this weekend talking about how some cyclists are obsessed with weight. I chimed in that I know riders who actually believe that they get a burst of speed if they move their 2 pound water bottle to their jers

Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-16 Thread CycloFiend
The only thing that I'll add to the discussion is that we're talking about pounds here. Which is healthy. I've been part of discussions when folks were arguing grams. Non-ironically. Y'know...mocking folks who still ran 150g mtb handlebars when you caould shave 35-40 grams by throwing another hu

[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread JL
I am glad this weight topic came up again. Weight has been a big factor in my bicycle enjoyment - so have high volume tires, bars up at seat height, and fenders. I am fortunate enough to have a few bikes that land in different places on the weight and intended use spectrum. I commute by bicycle

[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread Paul Yeoh
Yeah, I still like a light bike, but I guess it depends on what type of ride you're doing. I thought I'd sell my severely undersized 17 lb Felt F55 road bike (alu/carbon duraace racer) after getting the Hillborne, but the Hillborne (heavy with racks, baskets, and phil/schmidt hubs) has just made m

[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread charlie
I have noticed that my recumbent bicycle is much faster on flat and rolling terrain and I climb the best on my wife's 25 pound mountain bike all Riv'ed out with Albatross bars, hemp twine and fenders. I suppose bicycle weight is noticeable especially when the rider is close to ideal body weight an

Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Thanks for the clarification. When all is said and done, we all ride (I hope) for fun, and I had fun on my ride today (and yesterday, 21 miles, a bit less climbing). On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > So I'll clarify.. For me at 210lbs 5 lbs is not noticed on climbs or the fe

Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread Sean Whelan
ght around the middle of my person. Sean (down 14 pounds this year since reading Gary Taubes) --- On Tue, 2/15/11, Kelly Sleeper wrote: From: Kelly Sleeper Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference! To: "rbw-owners-bunch@googleg

Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread Kelly Sleeper
So I'll clarify.. For me at 210lbs 5 lbs is not noticed on climbs or the feel of the bike. Same bike same wheels etc so maybe you are more sensitive to weight. Pat it really wasnt directed at you. I lost say 3 mph going to steel from an aggressive race bike. Had lots of fun .. Just becaus

Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Each to his own. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Kelly Sleeper wrote: > The cost of that two to three miles per hour.. > 700x23 tires on areo wheels > Bars a fist and a half below seat > Special shoes > > So one I wear everyday cloths and the other I spend 20 minutes changing > airing tire

Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread PATRICK MOORE
That was me, yesterday, on the track. I seriously hope no one reading my last post is stupid enough to take the number seriously -- it is far, far to egregious an exaggeration to need an emoticon. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:00 PM, William wrote: > I planted a secret camera to record this so-calle

Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Now that is an insight worth noting; good on yer. But it doesn't make the 10 lb or 18 lb or 24 lb bike act any differently, whether I am used to that or not and I don't believe that we lose all track so to speak of these behaviors when we stick to them. Anyway, I have no desire to add weight to th

[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread William
I planted a secret camera to record this so-called "23 miles in one hour" ride. I think the video documentation proves the original "guesstimation" of distance traveled is highly questionable. Decide for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqjEvDlFqdM On Feb 15, 3:43 pm, doug peterson w

[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread doug peterson
> I certainly don't worry about butted or straight gauge spokes but an > extra 10 lbs on the bike makes the day a lot less fun on a group > ride. Or an extra 10 lbs can make the day, if it's the right 10 lbs. Chubbier tires to minimize flats, an extra water bottle, lots'o'food (my favorite!) and o

Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread Kelly Sleeper
The cost of that two to three miles per hour.. 700x23 tires on areo wheels Bars a fist and a half below seat Special shoes So one I wear everyday cloths and the other I spend 20 minutes changing airing tires fixing flats etc Been there done that.. Nod thanks next Kelly Sent from my iPhone O

[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread doug peterson
> Wonderful what you can do with a single, fixed gear! Not to mention a Dremel tool. In the interest of full disclosure, Patrick should have mentioned his addiction to removing extraneous material from his bikes. dougP On Feb 15, 2:12 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > The other Riv has even lighter w

Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread erik jensen
All things considered, light is nice, but it's way more important to have something that can do the work you need. Unless, of course, you opt to use your car when you decide to get groceries more than what fits in your saddle/hbar bags. I would rather not pollute the lungs of the people I share my

[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread cm
We are relative beings-- we compare our experiences to other experiences. Hot/cold, high/low, and light/heavy do not exist independently but only in relation to the other. Walk up a mountain with a 40 lb pack and then with a 10 lb pack-- betcha the 10 lb feels light and you feel faster. Now do it w

[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread SISDDWG
I recently came to that awareness after I completed restoring my Italian (Vittorio Malagnini) race bike with sew-ups. A few pounds really makes a difference in a climb even for an old guy (71) like me. Try it - you'll like it. BTW, a computer would be out of place on this classic. On Feb 15, 12:41

[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread Michael_S
To me it comes down to the purpose of my ride. Commuting/training solo ... weight doesn't matter. A fun day out riding with friends.. it matters just enough that I can stay comfortably with the group. I certainly don't worry about butted or straight gauge spokes but an extra 10 lbs on the bike make

Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread PATRICK MOORE
The voice, OK, but the legs? For me, speed is not usually to get somewhere faster, it's because riding fast has its own pleasures, and riding fast on a bike that responds very well to efforts to ride fast adds to this pleasure. One advantage, in the last two days, of removing the computer is that

Re: [RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread PATRICK MOORE
True, but I've noticed this over and over again -- and I have bad days on the gofast, too -- it's just that they are faster, at least uphill, than bad days on the other bikes. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:15 PM, newenglandbike wrote: > There's a really long, shitty* hillclimb on the way home from my

[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread MichaelH
OMG, not the dreaded weight topic! Of course weight matters when you riding up hill, carrying a bike up a flight of stairs, or putting it on a roof rack. The laws of physics are not negotiable. Our objective is not necessarily MPH, but JPM - Joy Per Mile. Sometimes lighter weight can add to JPM

[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread rperks
for some though that 3 mph is 16 or 13 mph, or about 23 minutes diference over the 29 miles - the difference between time a shower or no shower on your lunch break or before work? and still having time to ride 29 miles. I would take the speed over a shorter ride, especally if 8 of the miles in th

[RBW] Re: Don't tell me that a few lbs don't make a bloody difference!

2011-02-15 Thread newenglandbike
There's a really long, shitty* hillclimb on the way home from my work.Yesterday, I barely made it-- despite having ultimately shifted into the granny near the top and taking it easy at about 0.003 mph. This afternoon, I launched up it like it was nuthin', middle ring/cog front/back. Sa