Speaking of non-ironic absurd weight discussions.  I overheard two
guys at the 200k brevet this weekend talking about how some cyclists
are obsessed with weight.  I chimed in that I know riders who actually
believe that they get a burst of speed if they move their 2 pound
water bottle to their jersey pocket.  They both nodded and replied
"Well, yeah, of course that's true.  That's why domestiques carry a
dozen water bottles in their jersey and still manage to catch the team
leaders to deliver them."

Physics, it's not just a good idea, it's the law.

On Feb 16, 12:13 am, CycloFiend <cyclofi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> The only thing that I'll add to the discussion is that we're talking about
> pounds here.  Which is healthy. I've been part of discussions when folks
> were arguing grams.  Non-ironically.  Y'know...mocking folks who still ran
> 150g mtb handlebars when you caould shave 35-40 grams by throwing another
> hundred bucks at it.
>
> I don't think that anyone can argue that weight doesn't make a difference on
> a climb. The important thing is whether that difference matters. I don't
> have it at ready reference, but I recall in a catalog (mighta been a Reader)
> GP writing about the original Banana Bag - a seatbag which was gloriously
> larger than most anything you could find at the time.  He wrote about how a
> saddlebag that let you carry something more than a spare tube and an energy
> gel was a much more sensible thing. How you'd be a lot more comfortable on
> the way down the mountain if you had real food and another layer stowed
> along. It was a pretty radical position at the time.
>
> There are plenty of Riv owners and riders who go plenty fast. If someone has
> the means and interest to do so, they certainly shouldn't be scoffed at for
> choosing safe, light parts, (As Keith Bontrager once wrote, "Cheap. Light.
> Strong. Pick two.") just as we don't mock someone who wants to run fully
> fendered, racked and bagged all the time.  Me?  I'm kinda always banging
> back and forth between those ideals, which, once again, is why Grant's
> designs work so well - they allow you do continually tinker, hone and rerig
> in the manner that works for you right now.
>
> There are times when it's fun to see who is fastest, or if you can nick some
> seconds off of a personal best time.  There are times when it's tremendous
> to roll along among new and old friends.  Whatever causes the most smiles
> per miles. I like to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am. I've been
> paying attention at the dog park, and notice that they lay about, loaf
> around, go flat-out-bat-outta-hell, carve crazy turns, get dirty, get out of
> breath and do it all over again.  Which seems an appropriate goal for any
> bike ride.
>
> The other thing that Patrick touches upon has to do with climbing on
> fixed-gear bicycles. It rocks. Utterly and completely. It hurts. Thoroughly
> and deeply. This last week, I've been switching back and forth between the
> Hilsen - a multi-geared and coastable setup - and the Quickbeam - which I
> run fixed most of the time.   There's really no comparison. I can move up my
> regular climbs at a decent clip on the Hilsen, but it always feels like
> flyng (well, until you utterly, crushingly bonk) on the Quickbeam.  The
> momentum of fixed gear systems is palpable.
>
> all righty then... didn't mean to warble on at quite that length.
>
>  - Jim
>
> --
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> cyclofi...@earthlink.net
>
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> They still have bodies that can walk for five days and four nights through a
> desert of snow, without food, but they accept praise for having taken a
> one-hour bicycle ride.²  - Tim Krabbe, "The Rider"
>
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