Thanks for the clarification. When all is said and done, we all ride
(I hope) for fun, and I had fun on my ride today (and yesterday, 21
miles, a bit less climbing).

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Kelly Sleeper <tkslee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I'll clarify.. For me at 210lbs 5 lbs is not noticed on climbs or the feel 
> of the bike.   Same bike same wheels etc so maybe you are more sensitive to 
> weight.
>
> Pat it really wasnt directed at you.  I lost say 3 mph going to steel from an 
> aggressive race bike.  Had lots of fun .. Just because I'm not sprinting at 
> 30 mph and averaging 20 plus doesn't mean I'm crawling along either.. Had I 
> wanted that race experience I would NEVER buy a Rivendell.
>
> Just saying
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 15, 2011, at 6:27 PM, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ???? Each to his own.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Kelly Sleeper <tkslee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The cost of that two to three miles per hour..
>>> 700x23 tires on areo wheels
>>> Bars a fist and a half below seat
>>> Special shoes
>>>
>>> So one I wear everyday cloths and the other I spend 20 minutes changing 
>>> airing tires fixing flats etc
>>>
>>> Been there done that.. Nod thanks next
>>>
>>> Kelly
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:21 PM, rperks <perks....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> for some though that 3 mph is 16 or 13 mph, or about 23 minutes
>>>> diference over the 29 miles - the difference between time a shower or
>>>> no shower on your lunch break or before work?  and still having time
>>>> to ride 29 miles.  I would take the speed over a shorter ride,
>>>> especally if 8 of the miles in the middle of the ride were out in the
>>>> country after you escape the clutches of suburbia and then have to re-
>>>> enter
>>>>
>>>> Rock on Patrick - voice of speed
>>>>
>>>> Bikes get us from pont a to point b faster than walking.  That often
>>>> why we ride them, otherwise just walk.  You do not have to be a racer
>>>> boy all the time, but the talk around here lately has me wondering if
>>>> riv should be sponsering low speed tech trials for god's sake.  Maybe
>>>> they should set up cones in the lot and run a reverse race with points
>>>> off for putting a foot down, the guy who can stay up longest spining
>>>> 22 - 36 (MEGA) on flat ground wins!!
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 15, 2:04 pm, Kelly Sleeper <tkslee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 5 lbs means very little from my experience.   So the one built as a 
>>>>> commuter .. Same tires wheels geometry bars handlebar height?
>>>>>
>>>>> Add 5 lbs in water bottle on go fast and doubt you'll notice much.
>>>>>
>>>>> But if all you're interested in is speed have fun.   A 2 to 3 mph average 
>>>>> speed difference for me is nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what Rivendell did you build to 17ish pounds?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kelly
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 15, 2011, at 2:41 PM, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I just got back from a nice if brief-ish 1 hour ride on the '99 Riv
>>>>>> gofast, newly equipped with pretty Phil front hub (I have decided not
>>>>>> to replace the computer -- just yet, anyway, but I guesstimate that I
>>>>>> covered, easily, 23 miles over rolling, mostly suburban terrain).
>>>>>> Anyway, I deliberately went out of my way to climb some steepish, 1/2
>>>>>> mile long hills, mostly standing in the 75" gear, and blow me down, if
>>>>>> I sped up those hills like ... like .... like ... Oh! Like Bartali,
>>>>>> shifting into a *higher* gear at the bottom of a steep climb, turning
>>>>>> with a sneer and glare at his competition, and leaving them in his
>>>>>> dust. Sortof.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, the difference between this gofast that, now, without a
>>>>>> computer, weighs a featherlite 17 3/4 lb, and the almost identical but
>>>>>> built as a commuter '03, is about 5 lb, and I certainly can tell the
>>>>>> difference on the hills.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just so you know.
>>>>>
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