Sorry to hear about your BGT incident!
I like how nice you are about it but I yell at three abreast every time. If
your crowd of peds take over half the trail you are going to hear it from me.
Unrelated sort of:
The one time I was hit was when I stopped to investigate a fender rub and a
MTBer w
I'd ride the setup you have now until the bearings failed or it took a lot
of maintenance to true. But I'm notoriously cheap.
Iro Cycles (down for maintenance right now) had super cheap track hubs,
rims and spokes for a while. Formula/Velocity, I think. The rims build up
easily, and have been s
Amen on all three counts.
Philip
On Monday, August 6, 2012 6:22:08 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
>
>
>
>> Also -- I'm an American Sikh.
>>
>> Amit
>>
>
> Amit, I am so sorry about the catastrophe that has hit your community.
> I pray we can all find a way to transformation this evil and
Jan has tried to explain that, mainly he came up with the term when he was
first thinking about the issue, IIRC. He borrowed the term from boating.
One problem is that what's stiff to Jan and Mark might be noodly to me, since I
am probably 60 lbs heavier and 6" taller than they are. My "fastes
On Aug 6, 7:37 pm, ted wrote:
> Jan writes: "It would be easy for Rivendell to sell TIG-welded frames"
>
> I think Grant has said that Riv would not be
> successful selling such bikes because other larger well established
> firms with cost advantages are already covering that.
When you look at S
I'm not sure you can even fit one in a regular frame (note the page says
"built for Tern", a folder). I have one on my Dahon, and it's very long and
quite heavy. A Nitto post and minipump is a better option. in my opinion.
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
On Monday, August 6, 2012 2:06:37 PM UTC-7, Er
Certainly fads or styles or whatever have ebbed and flowed over
whether or not a noodly frame is undesirable, or how stiff is stiff
enough, or if stiff is harsh and uncomfortable, or whatever, but I
think Jan is fairly unique in claiming categorically that the right
flex is faster, and enough faste
On Aug 6, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 19:21 -0700, ted wrote:
>>
>> I wouldn't say a complete kook, but a bit kooky maybe. Certainly he
>> even describes himself a well outside of mainstream thought on these
>> topics. I suspect that "planing" is only mostly
Do the platrack struts interfere with panniers?
On Monday, July 9, 2012 11:59:07 AM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:
>
> I know the PlatRack was designed specifically to go with Mark's Rack;
>
> but I'd be curious to know if anyone has seen if it would happen to mate
> up to a rack like the Cosmo...
>
>
"So what is the obsession with stiffer tubing,"
Hmmm. Sorry cant really say, find it a bit much myself.
I have noticed differences, particularly climbing standing and
"jumping".
With a stiff bottom bracket there is an immediacy of forward response
when you stomp a pedal, which I might characterize
"... in every case the VO performs differently in a
way that I would characterize as "better"."
Here Here. Surely some bikes behave differently than others, and
informed people develop preferences.
A difference in preferences doesn't make one party right and the other
wrong.
On Aug 6, 7:26 pm, St
So what is the obsession with stiffer tubing, in all seriousness? The only
bike I can remember flexing under me so much I noticed it was my Look
KG96 and it was CF which is supposedly super stiff, but it was more that I
was afraid at 250lbs of destroying it rather than being bothered by the
flexine
Jan writes: "It would be easy for Rivendell to sell TIG-welded frames"
Not to dispute Jan's assertion that he and riv both sell what they
sell because they like it and not the other way around (ie liking what
they sell because they sell it), I buy that hook line and sinker for
both businesses, but
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/wheelsets-rims-hubs/grand-cru-freewheel-rear-wheel-126mm-700c.html
That looks right up your alley.
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On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 19:21 -0700, ted wrote:
>
> I wouldn't say a complete kook, but a bit kooky maybe. Certainly he
> even describes himself a well outside of mainstream thought on these
> topics. I suspect that "planing" is only mostly settled in the view of
> those who believe Jan (which I dou
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 18:14 -0700, Michael Hechmer wrote:
> I too am a big Jan Heine admirer. He is a very bike smart guy, but he
> is confused about two things, not evident in the posted blog. First,
> riding fast and riding far are two different things. Both can be fun,
> but as you combine th
Thanks for the synopsis. It sounds like you may be conflating two
phenomena.
Flexy main triangles exhibit bottom bracket motion under strong
pedaling (mostly sideways and rotating). Since metal has quite low
elasticity losses energy you put in mostly comes back out. Wether or
not that energy relea
On Aug 6, 6:53 pm, Tim McNamara wrote:
> While Jan et al made a lot of efforts to minimize the variables- the goal of
> experimental design being to eliminate all fariables except the one you want
> to measure- doing a coast down ride with a live human on board, outside,
> etc., has too many v
On Aug 6, 12:20 pm, J L wrote:
> The cranks for example: It seems to me that his decision to
> create a net forged replica of the famous Rene Herse crank in the
> traditional 171mm size is defended by claiming that longer cranks are not
> needed because it is only a 2% difference (or so, don't h
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 19:37 -0500, Eric Platt wrote:
> Now, I don't ride fast. And because of that, rarely ride with others.
> And the skinniest tire I have is a 700x37. But if wider is always
> faster, then the Surly Moonlander with the 4.5 inch wide, incredibly
> supple tires must the the faste
On Aug 6, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Allan in Portland wrote:
>
>
> On Monday, August 6, 2012 5:16:03 PM UTC-7, z-man wrote:
> You're not going to determine what rolls faster by rolling down a hill and
> measuring with a stop watch.
>
> Um, why not? Assuming one is rigorous with the measuring, ie.
I don't know what z-man's objection is but the annals of science are
full of wrong or overstated conclusions based on seemingly solid
approaches. I believe Jan concedes, or even boasts, that his
methodology is different that what pretty much the entire tire
engineering and testing industry does. If
On Monday, August 6, 2012 6:18:41 PM UTC-7, ted wrote:
>
> Not a sub.
Don't have time to track down any blog posts on it, but the triangle
stoutness is in the magazine quite a bit, both how he came to discover it,
and how he went on to qualitatively measure it. In short, and taking
libertie
On Aug 6, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Jim Cloud wrote:
> I find some of the various modern Constructeur bikes, built with
> French components from the 1960-1970's (e.g. Mafac brakes, Simplex
> derailleurs, T.A. or Rene Herse modern manufacture cranks), to be a
> little strange. Richard Sachs once characte
For sale... (1) Nitto Platrack for sale. Struts are uncut & mounting
hardwear is included.
(2) Slickersack in Olive. New, never used.
I purchased both when they were clearing them out. I never used the bag but
the rack I mounted.
Each are $115 shipped from Chicago,IL
*http://tinyurl.com/9
On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:51 AM, robert zeidler wrote:
> Or the endless opinion that fatter tires are every bit as fast as
> skinny tires. No way. More comfortable? Absolutely. Better on dirt?
> For sure. Not faster.
This is measurable. Avocet did testing on this in the 80s, and others have
mor
> Also -- I'm an American Sikh.
>
> Amit
>
Amit, I am so sorry about the catastrophe that has hit your community. I
pray we can all find a way to transformation this evil and pain into a
deeper sense of care for one another.
Perhaps somehow the joy of cycling that you share can create mo
Not a sub.
My remark about him not knowing what a hillsen is stems from enquiring
on his blog about his reasoning for characterizing it as he did and
then reading his response of "It’s not an issue of comfort, but of
performance. Whether the A. Homer Hilsen is overbuilt or not is hard
to say withou
I too am a big Jan Heine admirer. He is a very bike smart guy, but he is
confused about two things, not evident in the posted blog. First, riding
fast and riding far are two different things. Both can be fun, but as you
combine the two, fewer and fewer people actually enjoy it. Second, bikes
On Monday, August 6, 2012 4:59:06 PM UTC-7, ted wrote:
>
> > Finally, on the linked comments section, Jan says he likes the Hilsen
> for what it is, ...
>
> But I don't think Jan knows what a Hilsen is. I am also skeptical
> about his notions regarding oversized main triangle tubes.
>
Just c
On Monday, August 6, 2012 5:16:03 PM UTC-7, z-man wrote:
>
> You're not going to determine what rolls faster by rolling down a hill and
> measuring with a stop watch.
>
Um, why not? Assuming one is rigorous with the measuring, ie. calm wind,
repeat roll-downs, same bike & rider, etc. Have you
I keep thinking how nice if would be if folks would use numbers (and
units if course) more often.
You know, like how many mm wider, or how many mph faster etc.
Even better folks could also state a base state they are comparing to.
Like 1 mph faster at 20 mph.
On a related note, with curves of opti
Now, I don't ride fast. And because of that, rarely ride with others. And
the skinniest tire I have is a 700x37. But if wider is always faster, then
the Surly Moonlander with the 4.5 inch wide, incredibly supple tires must
the the fastest bike out there.
(As Jim Thill can attest, we rode with a
Could be, because of my weight (230ish) I prefer slightly firmer rear
tires. Running 65psi in my skinny 700x38 Marathon Racers. At least on the
rear. Front I can go cushier with about 50psi. Otherwise the tires squirm
too much. Especially on corners.
Some folks just are more sensitive to road
Not talking about a few centimeters. That's never even been suggested. I'm
talking about 12 or 20 mm bigger.
You're not going to determine what rolls faster by rolling down a hill and
measuring with a stop watch.
On Monday, August 6, 2012, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 11:51 -04
Ah yesss. Mushy tubulars. The first time (and several times
thereafter) I rode up the dirt to the ridge near home I used an old
road bike sporting conti tubulars at ~50 or 60 psi. Tires worked fine.
Low gear of 39-28 less fine.
One great thing with tubulars was I only ever pinch flatted one once,
> Also -- I'm an American Sikh.
>
> Amit
Amit,
My condolences... I'm sorry that there are nut job idiots in the world.
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> Finally, on the linked comments section, Jan says he likes the Hilsen for
> what it is, ...
But I don't think Jan knows what a Hilsen is. I am also skeptical
about his notions regarding oversized main triangle tubes.
I have an old Gios race bike that has what I think Jan calls thin
tubes. I al
Standard road wheel fits so 130
Kelly
On Monday, August 6, 2012 6:42:36 PM UTC-5, Corwin wrote:
>
> Hi Kelly -
>
> Can you tell us what the spacing is on the rear dropouts?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Corwin
>
> On Friday, August 3, 2012 9:19:36 PM UTC-7, Kelly wrote:
>>
>>
>> I picked up this frame for m
http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/7729133174/in/set-72157623199721925/lightbox/
It'll work!
No, the Tubus doesn't have the eyes that a Marks Rack has, but the rear eyes
line up w/ the Tubus' struts (actually wants to land on top of them, but they
have enough play to let them slide down
Hi Kelly -
Can you tell us what the spacing is on the rear dropouts?
Thanks,
Corwin
On Friday, August 3, 2012 9:19:36 PM UTC-7, Kelly wrote:
>
>
> I picked up this frame for my wife because it was in such great / new /
> can't find a ding scratch etc condition then she decided she wants a bet
> How long do most riders keep the same bicycle? Looking at folks I know
> in the bike clubs I belong to, I get the feeling people keep their cars
> longer than their bicycles.
seems to me its a lot like cars. Some folks trade em every year (or
even faster), others run em till they are dust, and
you could play around with something like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Specialized-Sealed-Bearing-Track-Hub-Set-Front-Rear-110mm-Rear-Spacing-/221082986281?pt=Cycling_Parts_Accessories&hash=item337992a729#ht_500wt_1128
On Monday, August 6, 2012 10:19:49 AM UTC-7, rex wrote:
>
> hi everyone
> i
So I guess you don't have the stock wheelset? I don't know Quando, but
Formula, Origin8 and Surly make good but less expensive 120mm hubs.
RBW has a budget wheelset with a flip/flop 120 rear hub for $250, and they
have a "fancier" flip/flop 120 rear wheel for $250 made by Rich Lesnik.
jim m
w
The CX50 doesn't use standard interchangeable road pads.
Art's Cyclery has the CX50 on clearance for $20.
http://www.artscyclery.com/Shimano_CX50_Cantilever_Brake/descpage-SHBRCX50.html?crumb=RDMCOMPS
Mitch Browne
San Luis Obispo, CA
Shimano CX50 Cantilever Brak
On Monday, August 6, 2012 2:10
There is a cheaper version, cx50, I think?
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Two of my Dahon folders have pumps built into the seatpost. Nice to have a pump
with me all the time.
On my "road-ish" folder, I carry a minipump because I use Presta tubes and the
built-in pump is for Schrader valves. However, I was able to help out another
rider recently (while on the Dahon)
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 13:48 -0700, Matthew J wrote:
> It is a big race with thousands or participants and spectators.
> Believe the organization is the French equiavalent of a not for
> profit. Enforcement is not easy under any circumstances - nigh
> impossible in PBP. And of course the idea i
> if they are breaking the rules then aren't they disqualified? Or listed
as DNF?
> Or are they cheating in a way that isn't seen an only a few or is it an
allegation that all top finishers are cheaters?
It is a big race with thousands or participants and spectators. Believe
the organizat
This sounds to me like a huge solution desperately looking for a tiny
problem. Me, I'd hate to have to re-adjust my saddle/post after every
flat.
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:53 PM, lungimsam wrote:
> ...a seatpost that has the pump built in, so no need to strap on a pump on
> the frame and that mean
On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 14:53 -0700, lungimsam wrote:
> ...a seatpost that has the pump built in, so no need to strap on a
> pump on the frame and that means less clutter on the bike, which I
> like.
>
> http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/postpump-seatpost
>
> I just feel wierd taking off the
> last i checked, bag drops and "support" at controls are within the rules
My reference was intended to be PBP exclusively - I see the way I wrote
that is not clear. As I understand the PBP rules, bag drops are not
allowed.
On Monday, August 6, 2012 2:39:10 PM UTC-5, Patrick in VT wrote:
>
On Sun, 2012-08-05 at 14:32 -0700, Tony wrote:
> Same story, different bike shop. The clerk was going over what was
> included in the assembly fee and mentioned that they had inflated the
> tires to 70 psi - was that okay? The best I could manage was, "I can
> always let some air out."
You may be
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 12:29 -0700, Matthew J wrote:
> Jan explained quite clearly his is a small operation. To make the
> Rene Herse to the best of standards he believes in he had a mold
> created to forge the cranks. Making molds is very expensive. Jan
> opted to have them made in what he belie
What's a 280 pound guy supposed to wear? :-D
Obviously the weight is not from being a super weight lifter... but rather
located where these mossy beauties would be worn...
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Nice lookin' underwear. Nice color.
On Friday, August 3, 2012 4:51:30 PM UTC-4, William wrote:
> One day a few months back I went into RBW HQ. I can't remember exactly
> what I was getting. I think it was just a couple small things. Grant was
> over on his computer. A conversation started:
I also have a set of IRC mythos cx 700x 42 knobby tires in great shape i
can throw in the box for $25 pair or ill sell them seperate for $32.50
shipped conus.
thanks for your time
joe kelly
columbus ohio
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im looking for a rear hub to be made into a wheel for my quickbeam. i am
currently running it as a 5sp freewheel with clamp on derailer via a cheap
126mm wheel sourced from my lbs. we "respaced" it to about 122mm with
slimmer nuts and it works quite well. im convinced i want to keep
Thanks to all of you for the info and advice.
Retailer is taking it back and ordering another. They cannot decide if safe
or not so they are erring on the safe side. Very nice of them.
If the next one turns up the same, I will return that and maybe get some
over-the-top-bombproof Schwalbe Mar
...a seatpost that has the pump built in, so no need to strap on a pump on
the frame and that means less clutter on the bike, which I like.
http://www.thinkbiologic.com/products/postpump-seatpost
I just feel wierd taking off the Nitto. I just like Nitto stuff. It's nice.
Maybe I am wierd to e
Same story, different bike shop. The clerk was going over what was included
in the assembly fee and mentioned that they had inflated the tires to 70
psi - was that okay? The best I could manage was, "I can always let some
air out."
Tony
On Sunday, August 5, 2012 2:05:57 PM UTC-7, Kelly wrote:
I meant to defend the 171mm crank design/sizing and only mention that I was
want for a more clear explanation of why the size could still work given to
those people who had commented in the past "I ride 175mm cranks these wont
work for my other bike", rather than a defense of the manufacturing/desi
if they are breaking the rules then aren't they disqualified? Or listed as
DNF?
Or are they cheating in a way that isn't seen an only a few or is it an
allegation that all top finishers are cheaters?
Just curious I have no idea... just doesn't sound right.
Kelly
On Monday, August 6, 2012 2
On Monday, August 6, 2012 2:44:22 PM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Many have support staff at the various rest stops with food, water bottle
> changes, change of clothes, etc. Jan is promoting a vike for people who
> actually rando the ways the rules intend - unsupported. Everything you
> need f
> It seems to me that his decision to create a net forged replica of the
famous Rene Herse crank in the traditional 171mm size is
> defended by claiming that longer cranks are not needed because it is only
a 2% difference (or so, don't have the quote in front of me
> but i think we have all rea
I have sold most of what was listed last month,this is what is left plus a
few extras added. All include shipping.
1-pair of New Carradice Super C rear panniers in black canvas w. cloth
patch. Hardware mounted to check fit but have never left the house. $155.00
Phil Wood JIS 111 BB Spins fin
I don't want to take this thread much more OT than it already is. There
are a few things that I wanted to chime in on:
I found Rivendell and the BOB philosophy by accident - experimenting with
my own bike fit and style. In a sense I pre-screened many of the Rivendell
ideals - find a bike that d
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>I still think it's a race for those who finish with the best times. Don't
you?
I think if they thought of it as a race they would follow the rules.
On Monday, August 6, 2012 1:50:01 PM UTC-5, Jim Cloud wrote:
> I
I've gotten a hold of an early 80s Stumpjumper Sport that appears to be
practically unridden. Deer head derailleurs, specialized cranks and hubs.
Lugged at the headtube and lugged unicrown fork. Super long chainstays.
I think it will make a great substitute for an Atlantis or Bombadil type
Ann, of course there is the possibility that you are drawn into friendship
with very sensitive people!
It may also be bike set up and design - too much weight on the arms or too
much on the touche. Bikes w/out much fork rake will be less happy on dirt
roads, and despite claims and evidence to
I would hardly expect Richard Sachs to completely abandon his method
of frame construction at this point in his career and begin making
carbon fiber frames. The current demand for his bikes far exceeds his
capacity (he has a seven-year backlog) and he no longer builds any
frames except for previou
And Richard also failed to note the race bike riding PBP speedsters also skirt
the rules. Many have support staff at the various rest stops with food, water
bottle changes, change of clothes, etc. Jan is promoting a vike for people who
actually rando the ways the rules intend - unsupported. E
And Richard also failed to note the race bike riding PBP speedsters also skirt
the rules. Many have support staff at the various rest stops with food, water
bottle changes, change of clothes, etc. Jan is promoting a vike for people who
actually rando the ways the rules intend - unsupported. E
And Richard also failed to note the race bike riding PBP speedsters also skirt
the rules. Many have support staff at the various rest stops with food, water
bottle changes, change of clothes, etc. Jan is promoting a vike for people who
actually rando the ways the rules intend - unsupported. E
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 11:00 -0700, Jim Cloud wrote:
> Richard Sachs once characterized the modern
> infatuation with the French Constructeur era bike, as the end-point of
> touring bike design, as being in the vein of Civil War enactors.
Yes, that's very amusing, but one should also notice that
I'm in agreement with Jim Thill and Robert Zeidler on this. There's
been an interesting thread going on the Classics Rendezvous Google
Group ("Doing things the old fashioned way... -
http://groups.google.com/group/classic-rendezvous-lightweight-vintage-bicycles/browse_thread/thread/a0388964638f7ad
As a commuter, I'd like to think I'm pretty good about being safe, riding
defensively, especially when it comes to using MUPs (multi-use paths),
which brings me to an incident my wife and I had yesterday on the
Burke-Gilman Trail just north of 70th Ave NE (or is it NE 70th?) in
Seattle. The las
I linked the tubing spec for the AHH to the comments section. I am curious
if anyone reads it and what the ensuing discussion might be. I appreciate
what Jan does for cycling and agree with quite a bit of what he says
conceptually. As with any of the "bike personalites" I read what they
think,
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 11:51 -0400, robert zeidler wrote:
> Or the endless opinion that fatter tires are every bit as fast as
> skinny tires. No way. More comfortable? Absolutely. Better on dirt?
> For sure. Not faster. If that were the case, does anyone believe
> that the entire bicycle, and ti
Well said Jim.
I think BQ is an excellent publication, particularly the accounts of
rides/events.
I enjoy the product reviews-sometimes. But the rest? Sometimes I don't know.
He seems to have gotten away from the "everything not made by the
classic French builders-which by the way you probably
On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 07:41 -0700, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
>
> Jan is a sort of like a famous wine connoisseur. If he says Wine X is
> good but Wine Y is swill, and you try both and find your preferences
> are the exact opposite, then his opinion is worthless to you, and you
> shouldn'
I keep the good ones forever.
Still have my Dave Porter custom and that's over 20 years old.
I'm keeping my Riv Custom until I wear out.
The Riv is so good I've fantasized having a duplicate made as a backup.
-JimD
On Aug 6, 2012, at 4:53 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 01:56
I commend Jan for following his passion and making a very welcome business out
of it. I'd urge every interested person to read his blog and his paper
publication and carefully consider what he and his contributors have written.
But after that, take what has been written with a grain of salt. I
Are they $129 good? :)
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My little brother has been generally immobile for the past month and a half
due to dislocating his ankle from his foot ...
SO, to get him moving on his crutches yesterday, I took him to the park
with a few cameras and a Peterson book -- Understanding Exposure.
We spent 4 hours (wow, getting
Upon clicking the link, the first thing that popped in my head was
USMC "silkies" (running shorts) which was part of the PT uniform way
back in my ROTC days. Although skimpy, they were comfortable and my
oh my, those undies look comfortable - and mossy wins!
On Aug 3, 1:51 pm, William wrote:
> O
On Sun, 2012-08-05 at 20:32 -0700, Anne Paulson wrote:
> Replying to my own post:
>
> I was just reading the Bicycle Quarterly blog, noting that they say
> that Paselas (which I was using) are fast-rolling tires, whereas
> Schwalbes are both slow and harsh-riding. So maybe that's the
> explanation
On Sun, 2012-08-05 at 20:46 -0700, Michael_S wrote:
> As much as I enjoy the technical content of BQ I often struggle with
> Jan's "strong negative opinions" with most bikes/parts that are
> competition for his products or what he rides.
If you are insinuating Jan disses products because they com
try teflon tape
On Monday, July 23, 2012 2:44:06 AM UTC-4, Donald Lee wrote:
>
> I installed a CroMo Albatross bar to my Nitto stem, but did not use grease
> where the stem clamps to the handlebar. Thinking about it, I'm not sure
> what is the best practice. What do you folks recommend?
>
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On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 01:56 -0700, Matt Beebe wrote:
> Bicycles are open, while modern automobiles are black, disposable
> boxes.
How long do most riders keep the same bicycle? Looking at folks I know
in the bike clubs I belong to, I get the feeling people keep their cars
longer than their bicycl
This auction ends today, reserve is $2000.00, so somebody get it, :)!
Otherwise, we may just ride off into the sunset together
Thanks to all who've looked.
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I'm slight-of-build like Jan Heine, and am sure he knows what he is talking
about when that light springy tubing feels great when riding, but I also
know I could dent a 7/4/7 tube by looking at it wrong, heat-treated or
not. It's a trade-off between the fleeting bliss of floating up hills on
Glad you are okay.did a similar thing a year ago wiped out on ice
at about 1.3 mph. My shoulder has never been the same. Was wearing wool
full fingered gloves and broke my fall judo style. I almost always wear
leather finger less gloves in warmer weather. I also play the mandolin and
am
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