I meant to defend the 171mm crank design/sizing and only mention that I was want for a more clear explanation of why the size could still work given to those people who had commented in the past "I ride 175mm cranks these wont work for my other bike", rather than a defense of the manufacturing/design aspects Perhaps I wasn't clear.
JL On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Matthew J <matthewj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > It seems to me that his decision to create a net forged replica of the > famous Rene Herse crank in the traditional 171mm size is > > defended by claiming that longer cranks are not needed because it is > only a 2% difference (or so, don't have the quote in front of me > > but i think we have all read it). > > Gross oversimplification. > > Jan explained quite clearly his is a small operation. To make the Rene > Herse to the best of standards he believes in he had a mold created to > forge the cranks. Making molds is very expensive. Jan opted to have them > made in what he believes is the most optimal size. If you want cranks in > other sizes, there are many companies out thee. Expecting a one person > operation - and one with a very tight focus - to match the offerings of the > bigs is unfair. Look no further than the limits GP has to set with his > Rivendell business- a business intended for a much wider market. > > On Monday, August 6, 2012 2:20:39 PM UTC-5, JL wrote: > >> I don't want to take this thread much more OT than it already is. There >> are a few things that I wanted to chime in on: >> It seems to me that his decision to create a net forged replica of the >> famous Rene Herse crank in the traditional 171mm size is defended by >> claiming that longer cranks are not needed because it is only a 2% >> difference (or so, don't have the quote in front of me but i think we have >> all read it). >> I found Rivendell and the BOB philosophy by accident - experimenting with >> my own bike fit and style. In a sense I pre-screened many of the Rivendell >> ideals - find a bike that does this or fits this way - rather than find >> out about fit and utility from Rivendell. I mention this The cranks for >> example: I think it could be true that once set up well a bicycle with >> 171mm cranks could perform as well and as comfortably for the same rider as >> another bike with 175mm cranks - given that many other factors and >> components establish fit.because I like the angle of Jan Heine's work that >> deals with riding style/ preference evolution. I don't ride in brevets or >> long events so much of the BQ work doesn't apply directly to me. That >> said, I do read BQ and take what I can from it - along with ideas from Riv, >> Dave Moulton, etc. As other people have said there are certain things >> about Jan's delivery that don't sit well with me. At times he can come >> across as dismissive and over simplifying things. However, I have not >> seen him explain it this way. I have seen him dismiss the size difference. >> I have also been taken aback by his comments on crank fitting: Grease the >> spindle, install the crank, tighten it up after a few miles then leave it >> alone... This set-it-up-then-leave-it-alone model of bicycling does not >> relate to me at all. I don't have the privilege to own several bikes that >> can be set up and left alone and I like to tinker. I am constantly >> changing/adjusting/altering and swapping parts to get better/ different >> rides from my bicycles. Perhaps that is another Riv philosophy thing more >> than a BQ ideal. His approach just bugged be because it was so foreign to >> my experience but I don't mean to say it was wrong. Backing up a bit it >> is too bad that he has to defend the crank size/design at all. Running a >> small wholesale/retail business is not a simple task and creating a >> boutique product like those cranks is a financial gamble. I am glad that >> he has done so much. The happy accident that became the Hetre is another >> example. They are my favorite tires and it all came about in such and >> interesting way. >> >> Bottom line: I would like to see Jan, etc. at BQ do more to relate the >> context specific to their opinions/findings about bicycles. >> >> JL >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/wXAk0oplQcAJ. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
