Re: Reply-To header

2005-10-03 Thread Peter Decker
On 10/3/05, Roel Schroeven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Indeed, and that's by design: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Of course, that's only one side of the argument: http://www.blackgate.net/consulting/reply-to_munging_useful.html On lists like this, where everyone benefits by s

Re: Reply-To header

2005-10-03 Thread Peter Decker
On 10/3/05, Roel Schroeven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The default of this list is not to make conversations private; in fact > the list doesn't have any default. It's you who chooses to send replies > to the original author, to the list, or both, by choosing which button > to press in your mail

Re: New project coming up...stay with Python, or go with a dot net language??? Your thoughts please!

2005-10-04 Thread Peter Decker
On 10/3/05, spiffo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am a corporate developer, working for a single company. Got a new project > coming up and wondering if I should stay with Python for this new, fairly > large project, are jump back on the 'safe' M$ bandwagon using a dot net > language? Cross platfo

Re: searching a project to contribute to

2005-10-09 Thread Peter Decker
On 9 Oct 2005 18:16:32 -0700, Clint Norton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, > I though about it but I'm looking for something a little more > interesting then bug fixing... > Anyway, wouldn't it be to difficult to get into a huge project like > python itself? Wouldn't it be a better idea to w

Re: looking for a good python module for MS SQL server

2005-11-01 Thread Peter Decker
On 11/1/05, Jarek Zgoda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Things didn't change, as last update to adodbapi was long time ago... I > had no problems with stored procedures accessed using cursor's execute() > method (i.e. execute('exec sp_someproc, param')), but I never tried to > get any results, just c

Re: Python gui

2005-11-06 Thread Peter Decker
On 6 Nov 2005 12:08:23 -0800, gsteff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > PyGTK is just easier to code with. The api is much nicer. That's why I think that Dabo's UI module is the best of all worlds. It wraps wxPython, so the controls look great on any platform, but provides a cleaner and more consisten

Re: How to get started in GUI Programming?

2005-11-25 Thread Peter Decker
On 11/25/05, Sybren Stuvel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'd go for wxPython ;-) I'd go for Dabo, which is a Pythonic wrapper around wxPython. They are even working on a visual design tool to lay out your UI, much as you would in Visual Basic. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pytho

Re: Tabs bad (Was: ANN: Dao Language v.0.9.6-beta is release!)

2005-12-04 Thread Peter Decker
On 12/4/05, Lee Harr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Everyone agrees that mixing is bad. I might even go so far as to > say that the only real problem is mixing. The question is, if we > are trying to pick only one, which one causes fewer problems. > > For me, it is spaces. Why is it that the only p

Re: ANN: Dao Language v.0.9.6-beta is release!

2005-12-04 Thread Peter Decker
On 12/4/05, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> See, I can make up bizarre scenarios where spaces cause > >> problems, too. > > Only if you don't know how decent editors behave. :) > > But the same is also true of tabs causing problems :-). I'm starting to suspect that the same people

Re: Accepted Summer of Code proposals

2005-07-03 Thread Peter Decker
On 7/2/05, Reinhold Birkenfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A.M. Kuchling wrote: > > For anyone who's interested: the Python wiki now contains a list of the > > PSF-mentored proposals that were accepted for Google's Summer of Code: > > http://wiki.python.org/moin/SummerOfCode > > Is it right

Re: Accepted Summer of Code proposals

2005-07-03 Thread Peter Decker
On 7/3/05, Robert Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would suggest not speculating on biased or malicious intentions. It is > possible that no one applied with a proposal to work on Dabo, or that > such a proposal was poorly written, or that the author had too little > experience, or any number o

Re: Why does reply to messages on this list put the sender in the To

2005-07-12 Thread Peter Decker
On 7/12/05, Dark Cowherd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Most lists when i hit reply it puts the list address back in the To > address and some lists allow you to configure this. > > But in this list reply sends the mail back as a private mail and there > seems to be no option to configure this. >

Re: wxPython date

2005-07-18 Thread Peter Decker
On 18 Jul 2005 07:52:06 -0700, Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How do I form a new wxPython date using day, month and year? > > I've tried the wx.DateTimeFromDMY but it crashes in Pythonwin when I > test it out and I get all manner of complaints when I try it from the > command line. > > Surel

Re: re.IGNORECASE and re.VERBOSE

2005-07-18 Thread Peter Decker
On 7/18/05, Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am using regular expressions and I would like to use both > re.IGNORECASE and re.VERBOSE options. I want to do something like the > following (which doesn't work): > > matsearch = r'''^\ {0,4}([mM]\d+) ''' > MatSearch = re.compile(matsearch, re.VE

Re: wxPython - DB Form generator unit

2005-07-23 Thread Peter Decker
On 7/19/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is anyone know about a DB form generator unit under wxPython ? > What that's means ? > > I add information about a Query, or a ListOfDict, I set some other infos > (Lookups, others), and it is generate a Form with edit boxes, listboxes, >

Re: PyGTK or wxPython (not a flame war) on Windows

2005-07-24 Thread Peter Decker
On 7/24/05, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is PyGTK more Pythonic by the way? I had a look at wxPython > yesterday and didn't like that it has been brought into the Python > world nearly unchanged. You can see its non-Python origin clearly. > How does PyGTK feel in this respect? T

Re: GUI - Windows: Where to get started

2005-07-26 Thread Peter Decker
On 26 Jul 2005 12:44:13 -0700, Ernesto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would anyone know a good place to start for learning how to build > simple GUI's in Windows XP? I just want users to be able to select a > few parameters from a pull-down menu, then be able to run some batch > files using the par

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

2005-07-30 Thread Peter Decker
On 7/30/05, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been having a closer look at wxPython which is not Pythonic at > all and bad documented. Probably I'll use it nevertheless. PyGTK > and PyQt may have their own advantages and disadvantages. > > However, in my opinion we don't need ye

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

2005-07-30 Thread Peter Decker
On 7/30/05, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm aware of it (and there is Wax and maybe a third one). Actually > it illustrates my point quite well: These projects are small and > instable (Dabo has a developer basis of very few people, Wax has > only one); they are even worse docume

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

2005-07-30 Thread Peter Decker
On 7/30/05, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, wxPython itself is largely the work of a single person, but > > I doubt that many consider that a reason to avoid it. > > But the developer and contributor base is much larger, so the > project has reached the critical mass. So unt

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

2005-07-30 Thread Peter Decker
On 7/30/05, Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You found a solution for you, which is a good thing. I don't want > to rule out to use Dabo myself. But in my institute I'd like to > present Python as a viable alternative to Delphi. In order to > convince people who are used to a homog

Re: The state of OO wrappers on top of wxPython (was Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python)

2005-07-30 Thread Peter Decker
On 30 Jul 2005 12:06:43 -0700, Paul Rubin <"http://phr.cx"@nospam.invalid> wrote: > wxPython also depends on wxWidgets which lags behind GTK. Can you elaborate on that? It's been over a year since I last looked at GTK, but I do remember not being very impressed with how it looked on Windows and O

Re: getting an empty tuple

2005-07-31 Thread Peter Decker
On 31 Jul 2005 08:40:26 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > how do i encorporate that into an equation ? > i have tried all kinds of stuff > > if x == 0L > if x(0) == None > if x == None > > anyway, what shoud i do to test if the result is empty? Just like any other test: if

Re: Dabo in 30 seconds?

2005-08-01 Thread Peter Decker
On 31 Jul 2005 16:22:09 -0700, Paul Rubin <"http://phr.cx"@nospam.invalid> wrote: > I spent several hours trying to install wxPython on Linux without > success (a lot of that was figuring out that some undefined symbol it > was complaining about was some GTK 1.5 function that had didn't exist > in

Re: Dabo in 30 seconds?

2005-08-01 Thread Peter Decker
On 8/1/05, Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Personally, all I expect is an obvious pointer to a mailing list and a > helpful community willing to suffer NB questions (fast bugfixes is a big > plus too). If that's available, I'm happy. But then I'm willing to > actually work a little to g

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

2005-08-01 Thread Peter Decker
On 31 Jul 2005 09:03:41 -0700, Paul Rubin <"http://phr.cx"@nospam.invalid> wrote: > How on earth did you decide that, since tkinter actually runs out of > the box when you install Python on most platforms, and wxPython doesn't? > I can't even think about trying out Dabo unless I'm willing to go th

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

2005-08-01 Thread Peter Decker
On 01 Aug 2005 12:58:57 -0700, Paul Rubin <"http://phr.cx"@nospam.invalid> wrote: > > Geez, can you whine some more? Most people are running wxPython just > > fine, > > Most people? What percentage of actual Python users do you think have > wxPython installed? If you're really claiming it's ove

Re: Dabo in 30 seconds?

2005-08-01 Thread Peter Decker
On 01 Aug 2005 12:50:56 -0700, Paul Rubin <"http://phr.cx"@nospam.invalid> wrote: > I seem to be in a minority here Wow, you finally said something that I agree with! > but I vote for avoiding such dependencies as much as possible. This isn't a contest here. Do what you like, and don't expec

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

2005-08-01 Thread Peter Decker
On 01 Aug 2005 13:38:21 -0700, Paul Rubin <"http://phr.cx"@nospam.invalid> wrote: > Peter Decker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > We were discussing your 'enormous pain' installing wxPython. I find it > > interesting that you selectively quoted part o

Re: Python -- (just) a successful experiment?

2005-08-07 Thread Peter Decker
On 07 Aug 2005 02:42:43 -0700, Paul Rubin <"http://phr.cx"@nospam.invalid> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Björn Lindström) writes: > > I don't see why the things you talk about would have to be part of the > > main Python distribution. Ruby on Rails seems to do pretty well without > > being included w

Re: Python -- (just) a successful experiment?

2005-08-08 Thread Peter Decker
On 8/8/05, Robert Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I'm trying to say is that posting to c.l.py is absolutely > ineffective in achieving that goal. Code attracts people that like to > code. Tedious, repetitive c.l.py threads attract people that like to > write tedious, repetitive c.l.py threa

Re: Python Wireless Extension Module (pyiw)

2005-08-11 Thread Peter Decker
On 8/11/05, Jeremy Moles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyway, I am just curious... we plan on using it, at any rate. It's > already made the code easier to read, faster, and more reliable. Looks pretty useful to me! -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: What does the word "quiet" mean in this paragraph?

2005-08-14 Thread Peter Decker
On 8/14/05, could ildg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The paragraph is as below, I mark the word quiet with *** ***. > ___ > One problem with distributed applications is that if no data arrives > over a long period of time, you need to wonder why. On one hand, it > cou

Re: Standalone applications ?

2005-08-14 Thread Peter Decker
On 14 Aug 2005 03:49:08 -0700, TPJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I should have added that my platform is Linux. > > In this case you shouldn't bother yourself with executables. Python is > available on any major distribution. > > My Python apps are available as pyc files for Linux (and for those

Re: Library vs Framework (was Dr. Dobb's Python-URL!)

2005-08-16 Thread Peter Decker
On 8/16/05, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where a framework shines is when you don't really want to program > it much at all -- you just need a tweak here and there beyond what > it already does. Gimp plugins are a great example of that. I'd put it slightly differently. Where a fram

Re: Library vs Framework

2005-08-16 Thread Peter Decker
On 8/16/05, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, they may have created a library class that does the job for > them. Figuring out which is which seemed to be the point of this > thread. I guess my summary of the thread was that a library is built to do one thing, while a framework is bui

Re: Testing for presence of arguments

2005-08-17 Thread Peter Decker
On 8/17/05, Madhusudan Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know how to set optional arguments in the function definition. Is there an > intrinsic function that determines if a certain argument was actually > passed ? Like the fortran 95 present() logical intrinsic ? > > My required functionality

Re: Python jobs (was Re: Python for Webscripting (like PHP))

2005-08-18 Thread Peter Decker
On 18 Aug 2005 10:58:46 -0700, Aahz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OTOH, the big sucking sound from Google and Yahoo (plus other places > like Ironport) is making it more difficult to hire Python programmers in > the Bay Area... Then start looking for telecommuting people. There are lots of us who

Re: Python Database Scripts

2005-09-12 Thread Peter Decker
On 12 Sep 2005 08:28:39 -0700, Chuck > Can anyone provide any kind of python database (mysql) code or point me > to a link that has this? Just simple things as maybe using a driver, > opening up a db, an insert and select. Any help would be greatly > appreciated! It might be more than you're l

Re: PyGTK or wXPython?

2005-09-13 Thread Peter Decker
On 9/13/05, Rod W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm just starting out on Python but my primary goal is to provide > applications with some user interface (GUI). > > Can someone point me to a good comparison of whether I should use > wxPython (with wxGlade I assume) or PyGTK (with Glade I assume)? >

Re: PyGTK or wXPython?

2005-09-13 Thread Peter Decker
On 9/13/05, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyway, there are some lighter-weight wrappers that make the > API more Pythonic and hide the nasty stuff like the id and flag > parameters. I tried "wax" a while back and it looked > promising. I looked at Wax, too, but as of last spring it

Re: MySQL & Python

2005-09-15 Thread Peter Decker
On 9/15/05, Ed Hotchkiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am trying to create a simple script to access a MySQL DB. > The Module for MySQL looks very easy, however I do not understand one thing > ... > > In ASP, you can just create a new DB with Access. In MySQL, how do I create > a database to

Re: Best Encryption for Python Client/Server

2005-09-19 Thread Peter Decker
On 9/19/05, Ed Hotchkiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perhaps you can > google:asshole and see if your image is present, I would highly doubt that > it is not within the first page of results. Now that's a reply I'm gonna have to copy!!! ;-) -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listi

Re: IsString

2005-12-12 Thread Peter Decker
On 12 Dec 2005 08:26:06 -0800, Tuvas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I need a function that will tell if a given variable is a character or > a number. Is there a way to do this? Thanks! Use isinstance(). e.g.: x = 7 isinstance(x, int) -> True isinstance(x, basestring) -> False x = "Hello" isinstan

Re: Still Loving Python

2005-12-13 Thread Peter Decker
On 12/13/05, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A GUI builder is more pleasant to work with, at least > > with a good one like Delphi or Qt designer. > > That is your opinion, and I'm sure it's true for you. It isn't true > for me. Why, then, do you disparage those who like to do things di

Re: Still Loving Python

2005-12-14 Thread Peter Decker
On 12/13/05, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why this need to have everyone do things the way you do? > > Whatever makes you think I have this need? I said I hated them. I'm > pretty sure I didn't say everyone should have to use them. Sorry, but there is a world of difference between sa

Re: Still Loving Python

2005-12-14 Thread Peter Decker
On 14 Dec 2005 13:49:39 -, TwistyCreek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And by the by... visual tools ARE evil. > > It's like your dad getting his drunken bar buddies to plow your mother > because he's too fat to do it himself. The unfortunate offspring of any > such union is equally the bastard

Re: Still Loving Python

2005-12-14 Thread Peter Decker
On 12/14/05, Magnus Lycka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's my impression that code generation leads to more duplication > and less code reuse. It's easy to whip up a new class or window > that duplicates a lot of already existing code, with those graphical > tools. Of course, Visual designer !=

Re: Beautiful Python

2005-12-27 Thread Peter Decker
On 27 Dec 2005 10:02:17 -0800, Gekitsuu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My > hypothetical situation was as follows. I'm writing a new generic SQL > module and I want to make it so I only call the appropriate module for > the type of SQL server I'm talking to. Then it would make sense to > load, for in

Re: Why keep identity-based equality comparison?

2006-01-10 Thread Peter Decker
On 10 Jan 2006 13:33:20 GMT, Antoon Pardon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IMO if they aren't of the same type then the answer to: > > a < b > > is just as obviously False as > > a == b > > Yet how things are proposed now, the first will throw an exception > and the latter will return False. I d

Re: Python Desktop Framework?

2006-01-13 Thread Peter Decker
On 13 Jan 2006 10:06:56 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there or should there be a Python Desktop Framework? It would be > great to have something like Turbogears for desktop apps. You might want to look at Dabo (http://dabodev.com). They are the far and away the best fra

Re: XML Writer in wxPython

2006-01-13 Thread Peter Decker
On 1/12/06, Marco Meoni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm building a GUI of a network manager that send its commands in xml files. > I would can write xml files from GUI (that is in wxPython). Have you > understand from my "spaghetti" english? Yes, your English is fine. Much better than my Italian!

Re: TextCtrl focus events in wxWidgets

2006-07-19 Thread Peter Decker
On 19 Jul 2006 04:55:24 -0700, Simon Hibbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Frank Millman wrote: > > > Try self.PlantCtrl.Bind(wx.EVT_KILL_FOCUS, self.OnUpdatePlantCtrl) > > And Voila! It works. Many, many thanks. > > Any idea what is going on? Your first attempt used self.Bind, which binds the kill

Re: Mega Newbie Questions: Probably FAQs

2006-08-16 Thread Peter Decker
On 8/15/06, Zeph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Framework for what kind of apps? Web, native GUI, client-server, etc? > > MVC is an abstract architecture rather than a specific implementation. > > Even so, many implementations rarely employ a purely MVC design. > > Native GUI with some client-serve

Re: Where is Python in the scheme of things?

2006-10-04 Thread Peter Decker
On 10/4/06, gord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As a complete novice in the study of Python, I am asking myself where this > language is superior or better suited than others. For example, all I see in > the tutorials are lots of examples of list processing, arithmetic > calculations - all in a DOS-l

Re: Python component model

2006-10-11 Thread Peter Decker
On 10/10/06, Peter Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I for my part would be happy to see a Delphi-like RAD tool for Python, > a reference implementation for web programming as part of the standard > library, Jython 2.5, Python for PHP or whatever attracts new programmers. I think you should take

Re: Python component model

2006-10-11 Thread Peter Decker
On 11 Oct 2006 18:56:30 -0700, Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yes, an interesting tool. > > But to get more attention and developers, the project needs to be > polished. > > really unattractive resources: > > http://dabodev.com > http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/DaboAudit Well, then,

Re: Python component model

2006-10-11 Thread Peter Decker
On 11 Oct 2006 20:08:12 -0700, Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, then, why not contribute? Or are you waiting for everyone else > > to do it for you? > > I've contributed already (my contructive criticism). > > It's up to the team to react. Wow! What a contribution! Amazing tha

Re: Standard Forth versus Python: a case study

2006-10-12 Thread Peter Decker
On 12 Oct 2006 04:40:32 -0700, Paul Rubin <"http://phr.cx"@nospam.invalid> wrote: > Paul Rubin writes: > > > fun median { > > > var x = 0. > > > while( *p++) { > > > if( (*p) > x) x = *p. > > > } > > > return x. > > > } > > > > I count two variables, p and x. >

Re: is there an easy way to create a database on the fly and let the user input values

2006-10-13 Thread Peter Decker
On 12 Oct 2006 15:50:16 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > dabo looks intresting but I am just looking for the simplist way and > having to load from thier thing just complicates stuff. I could > probily just use wx.grid but examples are scarce, I have seen some > simple dbm st

Re: Python component model

2006-10-13 Thread Peter Decker
On 10/12/06, Peter Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter Decker wrote: > > I think you should take a good look at Dabo and the visual tools they > > are creating. > > Thanks for the hint, Peter. I've heard of Dabo and it's on my list of > things to be

Re: IDE

2006-10-13 Thread Peter Decker
On 10/13/06, Theerasak Photha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/13/06, giuseppe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What is the better IDE software for python programming? I like SPE. They really work the way I like to work. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Book about database application development?

2006-10-15 Thread Peter Decker
On 10/15/06, Wolfgang Keller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I'm interested in is rather how to connect a GUI to a database, with > quite a bit of application logic in between. And how to do it well. You've described Dabo perfectly. Have you looked into it yet? It's written by a couple of datab

Re: Tkinter--does anyone use it for sophisticated GUI development?

2006-10-21 Thread Peter Decker
On 21 Oct 2006 08:26:56 -0700, sturlamolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That leaves you with wxPython (utterly ugly API, remninds me of MFC and > Motif), PyQt (very expensive unless GPL is not a show stopper) or > PyObjC. I too hated the wxPython API, but loved how it looked. And since I need th

Re: Tkinter--does anyone use it for sophisticated GUI development?

2006-10-22 Thread Peter Decker
On 22 Oct 2006 02:40:17 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With some cleaning and improving, I think wax > (http://zephyrfalcon.org/labs/wax.html ) can become good too. I looked at Wax, but the author doesn't seem to be too involved with it. It looks like a cool idea that he de

Re: Tkinter--does anyone use it for sophisticated GUI development?

2006-10-22 Thread Peter Decker
On 22 Oct 2006 17:26:55 -0700, alex23 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can you also tell when you're wrong? > > I checked out Wax last week for the first time; I hit a snag and got an > answer from the lead developer within a day, along with a pointer to > the latest dev version. > > But don't let com

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-24 Thread Peter Decker
On 23 Oct 2006 22:07:39 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now i began to learn GUI programming. There are so many > choices of GUI in the python world, wxPython, pyGTK, PyQT, > Tkinter, .etc, it's difficult for a novice to decide, however. > Can you draw a comparison among them

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-24 Thread Peter Decker
On 10/24/06, Kevin Walzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > wxPython: > Pro: Popular, actively developed, wraps native widgets, looks great on > Windows, commercial-friendly license > Con: Based on C++ toolkit; docs assume knowledge of C++; some think > coding style is too much like C++; complex to bui

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-10-24 Thread Peter Decker
On 24 Oct 2006 16:38:28 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You load dabo and then load your program through dabo... That > was all I needed to know to disregard it. Wow - inaccurate and proud of it! Your loss. -- # p.d. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-li

Re: Handling emails

2006-10-26 Thread Peter Decker
On 10/26/06, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree it's a pain, but Fulvio may not have it in his power to > > switch the header off. Mail admins do some incredibly stupid things. > > There is always the option to not send messages to this list using > that mail server. I don't care wh

Re: wxPython TextCtrl - weird scrolling behavior

2006-11-01 Thread Peter Decker
On 1 Nov 2006 04:54:32 -0800, abcd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > thanks for the feedback, I am watching the screencasts, which are > helping already. I think I will try out the Dabo GUI tool since it > uses wxPython...and see if I can get the code I need from it. I think you'll be very impressed.

Re: python GUIs comparison (want)

2006-11-04 Thread Peter Decker
On 4 Nov 2006 08:23:40 -0800, Mudcat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been using Tkinter for several years now. Recently I have been > thinking about switching to something else that may have a sharper > appearance. However I'm not sure what that may be, and if that > something else is *that* m

Re: How to choose the right GUI toolkit ?

2006-11-10 Thread Peter Decker
On 9 Nov 2006 09:13:00 -0800, Dan Lenski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nick and John S., thank you for the tip on wxPython! I'll look into it > for my next project. I too would avoid Qt, not because of the GPL but > simply because I don't use KDE under Linux and because Qt is not well > supported

Re: using import * with GUIs?

2006-05-31 Thread Peter Decker
On 5/31/06, John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I guess if I'm going to learn a GUI, I might as well jump right into > wxPython from the beginning. May I recommend that you take a look at the Dabo project? While they have a full application framework for creating database applications, you

Re: Feed wxComboBox with dictionary/hash

2006-06-22 Thread Peter Decker
On 22 Jun 2006 06:45:25 -0700, Roland Rickborn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My first question: > how can a wx.ComboBox be fed by a dictionary? This is one of those annoying things about wxPython that made me so happy to switch to using the dabo.ui wrapper for wxPython instead. You can set up the

Re: client/server design and advice

2006-12-01 Thread Peter Decker
On 1 Dec 2006 10:37:39 -0800, John Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Now...if only i could master python gui programming and development ;) > You would short change yourself if you don't check out the other > packages such as Pythoncard, and Dabo. FWIW, Dabo has all of the database connectivi

Re: python + database book

2006-12-04 Thread Peter Decker
On 12/4/06, Giuseppe Di Martino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > new to python. > > i work with db heavily. > > > > any good book for python + database? > > Evaluate http://www.sqlalchemy.org/ and his documentation If you are looking to work with desktop apps, you should also check out Dabo: ht

Re: Good Looking UI for a stand alone application

2006-12-16 Thread Peter Decker
On 12/16/06, The Night Blogger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can someone recommend me a good API for writing a sexy looking (Rich UI like > WinForms) shrink wrap application > > My requirement is that the application needs to look as good on Windows as > on the Apple Mac For my money (even though i

Re: Good Looking UI for a stand alone application

2006-12-18 Thread Peter Decker
On 12/17/06, Luc Heinrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My requirement is that the application needs to look as good on Windows as > > on the Apple Mac > > Crossplatform GUIs are a myth, you *always* end up with a lowest common > denominator (aka Windows) which makes your application look like cr

Re: Good Looking UI for a stand alone application

2006-12-18 Thread Peter Decker
On 12/18/06, Luc Heinrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You're full of it. I routinely write GUI apps in Dabo for both Windows > > and Linux users, and they look just fine on both platforms. > > Oh, I'm sure you do. Now go try to run one of your Dabo apps on a Mac > and see how it looks/feels...

Re: Stani's Python Editor - questions

2006-12-21 Thread Peter Decker
On 12/21/06, Franz Steinhaeusler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Does not work for me! I'm getting messages like this: > > > >python:3255): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_container_remove: assertion > >`GTK_IS_TOOLBARcontainer) || widget->parent == GTK_WIDGETcontainer)' failed > >python:3255): Gtk-CRITICAL **

Re: DOS, UNIX and tabs

2007-01-02 Thread Peter Decker
On 1/1/07, Tom Plunket <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe I'm also weird, but I use a variable-pitch font when programming > in Python. So a "tab equals some number of spaces" really isn't useful > to me. My setup is, "tab equals this much space". A year ago I would have thought you were weird,

Re: How to invoke parent's method?

2007-01-07 Thread Peter Decker
On 7 Jan 2007 01:33:32 -0800, Frank Millman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The essential point is that you save a reference to the frame when you > create the panel. Then when the button is clicked you can use the > reference to call the frame's Close method. Or you could look into Dabo. This is on

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-11 Thread Peter Decker
On 2/10/06, Kevin Walzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm undertaking my first semi-substantial Python GUI application after a > long time dabbling with the language. > ... > So: my question is, would it be more productive for me to wrestle with > these extensions when there doesn't seem to be muc

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-11 Thread Peter Decker
On 2/11/06, Kevin Walzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dabo looks interesting, but isn't it mainly for database applications? > Has any other kind of application been developed with it? Also, it seems > very Windows/Linux-centric. Is anyone using it on OS X? The Dabo demo comes with several games

Re: Yet another GUI toolkit question...

2006-02-11 Thread Peter Decker
On 2/11/06, Kevin Walzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also, it seems > very Windows/Linux-centric. Is anyone using it on OS X? I almost forgot: take a look at this screencast: http://leafe.com/screencasts/sizers2.html It's the second part of a demonstration on using sizers in the Dabo visual de

Re: Python equivilant to msgbox()

2006-02-13 Thread Peter Decker
On 12 Feb 2006 17:27:56 -0800, André <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's also possible to something like that with wxPython. Try: > import wx > app = wx.PySimpleApp() > dlg = wx.TextEntryDialog(None, 'Enter value', 'Title', '') > if dlg.ShowModal() == wx.ID_OK: > val = dlg.GetValue() # this li

Re: Python equivilant to msgbox()

2006-02-13 Thread Peter Decker
On 2/13/06, Andre Roberge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While I agree that dabo's version is more Pythonic than wxPython, my > understanding is that dabo is built on top of wxPython. Yes. You get all the power of wxPython without having to deal with the C++ style of coding. > There are > other fr

Re: cyclic data structures

2006-02-13 Thread Peter Decker
On 2/13/06, John Salerno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm having some slight trouble understanding exactly why this creates an > infinite loop: > > L = [1, 2] > L.append(L) 'L' is a pointer to a list. You are now adding that pointer to the very list it points to. What you're looking for is: L =

Re: How can I find a freelance programmer?

2006-02-14 Thread Peter Decker
On 2/14/06, Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am looking for a freelance Python programmer to create a cross-platform > application with wxPython. > Any idea where I could find one? You should check out the Dabo project, which is a very impressive framework that uses wxPython for its UI. The

Re: Evil, evil wxPython (and a glimmer of hope)

2006-02-17 Thread Peter Decker
On 16 Feb 2006 14:07:36 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > snoe wrote: > > > Take a look at dabo, II think they're doing exactly what you're > > describing. > > http://blog.dabodev.com/ > > Dabo appear to be doing way more than what I want, with database access > etc. That was m

Re: Komodo - Will it Lock Me In?

2006-02-19 Thread Peter Decker
On 2/19/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My goal was to test out Python by writing a simple GUI app and then deploying > it to Mac OS X and Windows XP. Using a product such as RealBasic, a totally > green newbie could accomplish this in a few minutes.. So, I guess my main > quest

Re: Komodo - Will it Lock Me In?

2006-02-20 Thread Peter Decker
On 2/19/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, I have Dabo installed on my system. I made a small test app, but was > unable to deploy it. I was getting an error from py2exe, I think, about how my > wxPython installation was not correct. This is the kind of thing I am talking > ab

Re: Write a GUI for a python script?

2006-03-03 Thread Peter Decker
On 3 Mar 2006 01:16:23 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I, too, am a python newbie and have wrestled with GUI programming. I > think I am winning, but its been a struggle. I started with wxPython and struggled with it for a long time. I was able to get the job done, but using it never seemed natural.

Re: Write a GUI for a python script?

2006-03-04 Thread Peter Decker
On 3/4/06, Bill Maxwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dabo does look really nice, but seems like it has a ways to go yet. > > I downloaded it a couple of weeks ago, and the very first thing I wanted > to do doesn't seem to be supported. I tried to create a simple > application with a Notebook cont

Re: Write a GUI for a python script?

2006-03-05 Thread Peter Decker
On 3/5/06, Bill Maxwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for the info. Knowing that, I was able to create a simple app in > the Dabo Designer that contains a Notebook. > > But, I'm having a heck of a time finding any documentation at all on > Dabo. I looked all thru the website(s), and have c

Re: visual gui ides for python/jythpn

2007-06-20 Thread Peter Decker
On 6/20/07, kromakey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Are there any free visual GUI IDE's available for python/jython, which > have a drag and drop form designer similar to Visual Studio or > Delphi ? Watch these screencasts, and then check out Dabo: http://leafe.com/screencasts/dataenvironme

Re: PEP 3107 and stronger typing (note: probably a newbie question)

2007-06-21 Thread Peter Decker
On 6/21/07, Bjoern Schliessmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Stephen R Laniel wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2007 at 12:59:28PM -0700, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> Then you should use another language. > > > > This is what I meant about knowing how Internet discussions > > go. > > I agree. I als

Re: Tabbed windows Support in Python

2007-06-27 Thread Peter Decker
On 6/27/07, senthil arasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > Currently iam implementing GUI Framework for supporting Tabbed windows to > render different HTML Pages. > A row of tabs facilitated for navigation of pages. > > Iam expecting some classes like "QTabWidget" whick provided by Qt Libarary

Re: Restarting a Python Application

2007-07-07 Thread Peter Decker
On 7/7/07, Kelvie Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ugh.. this would be a repost for the OP, but I forgot to hit "reply to > all" again. Imagine if you wrote applications where the default behavior did not do what was needed 99% of the time: how long do you think you'd be in business? The defaul

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