Re: Call perl to store data in DB

2012-08-31 Thread Octavian Rasnita
Maybe I didn't understand well, but if you want your Perl program to get and store the data submitted by the form, then the action of the form should point to the Perl script something like: So your "form" object in Python should set the action as the path to the Perl program. --Octavian --

Re: [newbie] Equivalent to PHP?

2012-06-12 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Chris Angelico" Subject: Re: [newbie] Equivalent to PHP? > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Gilles wrote: >> Since web scripts are usually very short anyway (user sends query, >> server handles request, sends response, and closes the port) because >> the user is waiting and browsers usua

Re: Regular expression : non capturing groups are faster ?

2012-01-03 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Devin Jeanpierre" Subject: Re: Regular expression : non capturing groups are faster ? >> You meant Perl Documentation, didn't you ? > > I guess that works too. I did mean Python, though -- its intent is to > say "you shouldn't worry about this", but in the process it says "this > does no

Re: Regular expression : non capturing groups are faster ?

2012-01-03 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "candide" Subject: Regular expression : non capturing groups are faster ? Excerpt from the Regular Expression HOWTO (http://docs.python.org/howto/regex.html#non-capturing-and-named-groups) : --- It should be mentioned that there’s no performan

Re: how to avoid leading white spaces

2011-06-06 Thread Octavian Rasnita
It is not so hard to decide whether using RE is a good thing or not. When the speed is important and every millisecond counts, RE should be used only when there is no other faster way, because usually RE is less faster than using other core Perl/Python functions that can do matching and replac

Re: Why did Quora choose Python for its development?

2011-05-24 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "John Bokma" "Octavian Rasnita" writes: From: "Daniel Kluev" a = [1,2] dict([a]) Yes, but d = dict([a]) is not so nice as $d = @a; That will give you the number of elements in @a. What you (probably) mean is %hash = @array; Of course. Thank

Re: Why did Quora choose Python for its development?

2011-05-24 Thread Octavian Rasnita
Subject: Re: Why did Quora choose Python for its development? > I've been programming for about seven years, and am basically > self-taught. I got my first taste of writing code when trying do to some > basic hacking on my (then) shiny new G3 iBook. (Even though it was a > Mac, I was enthralled

Re: Why did Quora choose Python for its development?

2011-05-24 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Kevin Walzer" > On 5/22/11 3:44 AM, Octavian Rasnita wrote: >> Somebody told that C# and Objective C are good languages. They might be >> good, but they are proprietary, and not only that they are proprietary, but >> they need to be ran under platforms

Re: Why did Quora choose Python for its development?

2011-05-24 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Daniel Kluev" > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote: >> And you are telling that in Perl should be used an even more complicated and >> ugly syntax just for beeing the same as in Python just for showing that I am >> wrong, but I was c

Re: Why did Quora choose Python for its development?

2011-05-24 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "D'Arcy J.M. Cain" > On Tue, 24 May 2011 00:17:55 -0500 > John Bokma wrote: >> > $d = @a; >> >> That will give you the number of elements in @a. What you (probably) >> mean is %hash = @array; > > If I was even considering using Perl, this one exchange would send me > screaming in the opp

Re: Why did Quora choose Python for its development?

2011-05-24 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "D'Arcy J.M. Cain" > On Tue, 24 May 2011 09:00:14 +0300 > "Octavian Rasnita" wrote: >> So, again, in Perl is just: >> >> %d = @l; >> >> Please tell me if Python has a syntax which is more clear than this for >> doing thi

Re: Why did Quora choose Python for its development?

2011-05-24 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Stefan Behnel" Beliavsky, 20.05.2011 18:39: I thought this essay on why one startup chose Python was interesting. Since everyone seems to be hot flaming at their pet languages in this thread, let me quickly say this: Thanks for sharing the link. Maybe I have missed a message, but

Re: Why did Quora choose Python for its development?

2011-05-23 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Daniel Kluev" Moreover, you are comparing apples to oranges here, and then complaining that apples somehow turned out to be not oranges. If we take python way of defining dicts and check it in perl, we find that it is not supported, so obviously perl is non-intuitive and does not support

Re: Why did Quora choose Python for its development?

2011-05-23 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Daniel Kluev" On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote: From: "Daniel Kluev" Aha, so with other words that ORM doesn't have that feature. DBIX::Class also use the DateTime module, but it can use it directly, without needing to write more code

Re: Why did Quora choose Python for its development?

2011-05-23 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Ulrich Eckhardt" Ahem, is this Java the language that a certain, well-known service provider is getting screwed over hard currently, because they forgot to read the fineprint in the declaration of freedom? And this Objective C, isn't this the language that GCC had support for since befor

Re: Why did Quora choose Python for its development?

2011-05-23 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Daniel Kluev" a = [1,2] dict([a]) Yes, but d = dict([a]) is not so nice as $d = @a; because it has exactly those numerous number of params and brackets which is used as a reason for bashing Perl and an aditional "dict" word. Octavian -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyth

Re: Why did Quora choose Python for its development?

2011-05-23 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Terry Reedy" > On 5/23/2011 4:49 AM, Octavian Rasnita wrote: > >> But let's remember from what this discussion started. This is not a >> Python critique, because each language has its own ways. >> I just wanted to show that the fact that "the

Re: Why did Quora choose Python for its development?

2011-05-23 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Daniel Kluev" ... Can it also set the current locale, for example romanian, and print the name of the current month? ...something like t1.date.set_locale('ro').month_name? There is separate module for date localization. You can pass datetime object to it and it will give you needed val

Re: Why did Quora choose Python for its development?

2011-05-23 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Daniel Kluev" On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote: There are more, but a single eloquent feature is the possibility of interpreting variables in strings which cannot be done so nice in Python. I've should probably mentioned it earlier, but I&#x

Re: Why did Quora choose Python for its development?

2011-05-23 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Chris Angelico" On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote: From: "Dennis Lee Bieber" Since indentation seems so crucial to easy comprehension of the logical structure of a program, making it a mandatory syntactical structure becomes a desirable f

Re: Why did Quora choose Python for its development?

2011-05-23 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Terry Reedy" On 5/23/2011 1:31 AM, Octavian Rasnita wrote: I am talking about a simple way of creating a hash/dict from an array, which is so simple that there should be really a single way to do it, or very few. Again, Python has such: >>> dict([['one&#x

Re: Why did Quora choose Python for its development?

2011-05-22 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Daniel Kluev" On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote: From: "Daniel Kluev" I am talking about that flexibility which was criticized in the previous messages telling that this flexibility allows any programmer to use his own way. Perl doesn'

Re: Why did Quora choose Python for its development?

2011-05-22 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Dennis Lee Bieber" Since indentation seems so crucial to easy comprehension of the logical structure of a program, making it a mandatory syntactical structure becomes a desirable feature for code that must be maintained (by others, in many cases). Why "in many cases"? I wrote hundread

Re: Why did Quora choose Python for its development?

2011-05-22 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Daniel Kluev" > On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote: >> Because of its flexibility, Perl offers more advanced modules and libraries >> which are not available for Python. > > What 'flexibility' are you talking about? This see

Re: Why did Quora choose Python for its development?

2011-05-22 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Hansmeet Singh" >i think we should end our butchering of perl on a light note (you may have > already read this): > EXTERIOR: DAGOBAH -- DAY > With Yoda strapped to his back, Luke climbs up one of > the many thick vines that grow in the swamp until he > reaches the Dagobah statistics lab.

Re: Python 3.2 vs Java 1.6

2011-04-09 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Steven D'Aprano" Newsgroups: comp.lang.python > On Sat, 09 Apr 2011 01:32:17 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:21 AM, km wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> How does python 3.2 fare compared to Java 1.6 in terms of performance ? >>> any pointers or observations ? >> >> H

Re: What do you use with Python for GUI programming and why?

2011-03-11 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "OKB (not okblacke)" > Robert wrote: > >> Is there a push to one toolkit or the other? > >I use Dabo, which wraps wxPython. > > -- What's the advantage of using Dabo instead of wxPython directly? Thanks. Octavian -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-28 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" >Yes but his silence speaks louder than words. He is saying " While i >won't defend Tkinter publicly, i won't promote any others as well". That's the best translation I've ever heard: taking silence and diverting it into your own meaning for what you want it to mean.

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-28 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" >* Disclaimer: You are stupid if you think this is true. But seriously, >Octavian makes it REALLY hard to continue caring about something that I >actually cared about before and thought was important. When I told about what the community of the blind from my country

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-28 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Stephen Hansen" Seriously. Octavian's attitude in this thread makes me want to go use Tkinter just to spite him. Oh yes? And this would probably mean that your atitude is a very good and normal one, right? Octavian -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-28 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "rusi" Its quite clear to everyone here that -- Octavian has no interest in a 21st century snazzy-looking toolkit Oh well I am interested, but with the condition that toolkit to be accessible, however Tkinter is not. Is it too much to expect from a "21st century snazzy-looking toolkit" to

Re: dictionary error: list assignment index out of range

2011-01-28 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: Vaduvoiu Tiberiu > Well, to quote firefox: this is embarrassing. I've realized the dictionary initialization is wrong, as [] means its a tuple, I should use {}. That's why I > don't like working nights..it's only in the morning when you start seeing things better. I apologize for the ma

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-28 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "alex23" "Octavian Rasnita" wrote: Ok, in this case I understand why WxPython can't be included in stdlib. I think there was a communication problem because the oldest list members start with the idea that all the list members know who is who and they may be t

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-28 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Grant Edwards" I think there are a lot of people who think that including a GUI in the standard library was a mistake and the best solution would be to get rid of Tkinter and replace it with nothing. If I were Guido and thought that, I'd probably keep mum about it as well. :) [I'm not c

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-28 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Terry Reedy" wxPython is the best and most mature cross-platform GUI toolkit, given a number of constraints. The only reason wxPython isn't the standard Python GUI toolkit is that Tkinter was there first. -- Guido van Rossum (from http://www.wxpython.org/quotes.php) Of course, that is

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-28 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Corey Richardson" wxPython is the best and most mature cross-platform GUI toolkit, given a number of constraints. The only reason wxPython isn't the standard Python GUI toolkit is that Tkinter was there first. -- Guido van Rossum Oh, how can Guido say this about that bad WxPython that

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-28 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" >Because healthy Linux users ARE NOT equal to handicapped people! O? I bet I could run circles around RR in the shell, any day. Why are you trying to promote accessibility for a group of people you consider not equal to a group of "healthy" people? What do you mean

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-28 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" what >JAWS Tyler, did I used bad words in my posts as you do now? I didn't, but the other list members told me that my atitude is not good, that I am not civilized, because I have a different opinion than them. I am sure *nobody* will tell you that thing even though

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-28 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Grant Edwards" A very important way to help would be to test accessibility features and post accurate, detailed, bug-reports. I am willing to do that. I have tested that program made with WxPython and I have posted here what I found, hoping that there will appear a Tkinter-based app t

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-28 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Giampaolo Rodolà" ... py2exe offers the following installation kits, depending on the Python version. If you know, please tell me why there are different packages for different versions of Python? py2exe-0.6.9.win32-py2.5.exe py2exe-0.6.9.win32-py2.4.exe py2exe-0.6.9.win32-py2.3.exe py2e

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-28 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Terry Reedy" For example: pygui pretty much uses native widgets on Windows and OX and gtk (I believe) on *nix. How is the accessibility of those widget sets *as accessed through pygui*? Is it different from the 'native' accessibility of each of those set? Thank you for telling about th

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-28 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Grant Edwards" You said that you don't care about convincing anybody either that accessibility is import or about convincing anybody to do anything about it. To me that means you don't care about accessiblity. And you are wrong. If you don't try to convince someone that Python is a go

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-28 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Grant Edwards" So you're saying that you don't see any value in easing communication, nor presumably in communication itself? No, I don't want to say that, but I want to say that if it is obviously that the others don't care about the main issue discussed, then the communication just fo

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-27 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" > >We are talking about accessibility here. Are you saying that Tkinter > can be >recommended from the perspective of accessibility? > See my comment about shoving words in people's mouths; I did not hint, > nor did I come near saying that in that message. But you as

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-27 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Emile van Sebille" > On 1/26/2011 11:02 PM Octavian Rasnita said... > >> As we all know, Python doesn't care too much about maintaining a >> backward compatibility > > Where'd you get this idea? Between v2 and v3 yes, that was the i

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-27 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" > >It doesn't support a good voice synthesizer like Eloquence or IBM Via > voice > Eloq is an add-on, but it does support it. If you are saying this, it means that you haven't used it for a long time, or you just heard about it by searching on the web. Eloq is support

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-27 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" > >but what's wrong is that Python promotes a GUI which is not accessible > by including it as a default GUI. > You seem to have overlooked this multiple times and instead decided to > shove words in my mouth and continue on your line of selfishness which > is justifi

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-27 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: Octavian, If I understand your message, you are frustrated with Tkinter because it doesn't support accessability. In several messages on this thread I pointed out that Tkinter can easily be made accessable under Linux and Mac OS X. Rather than throw out Tkinter entirely, why not work wi

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-27 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" >I don't want to convince anyone, but I just want to inform the others and let >them know if they are doing something not recommended. not recommended by -you-, which is different than by a community or the subset of people you are attempting to represent. furthermore

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-27 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Grant Edwards" And, based on your behavior, you apparently don't like convincing others or advancing the cause of accessibility. It seems you prefer to annoy and alienate others. From what I said, what was annoying? I don't want to convince anyone, but I just want to inform the oth

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-27 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Brendan Simon (eTRIX)" Since it seems the python motto is "Batteries included", then it would seem to me that wxPython is the natural fit as it also has "Batteries included" (e.g. accessibility, native look-n-feel, mature and evolving, can produce simple or complex gui programs, etc, et

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-27 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "geremy condra" The bottom line is that, yes, you do still have to convince people that accessibility is important if you want them to do anything about it. I have to do almost exactly the same thing in my field- everybody knows that security is important, but every time I go to disclose a

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-27 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" It doesn't support a good voice synthesizer like Eloquence or IBM Via voice, but only eSpeak which sounds horrible, it doesn't have a scripting language ready to use as JAWS and Window Eyes do, it doesn't offer the possibility of reading with the mouse cursor as JAWS

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-27 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Alexander Kapps" Please don't use the lower Linux user percentage as an argument here. If you follow that path further, you would need to agree that it's only an "insignificant" percent of people who need a screen reader, so why bother? I didn't say that the Linux users or Mac users ar

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-27 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Robert Kern" in? Robin Dunn is the wxPython project lead. Ok, in this case I understand why WxPython can't be included in stdlib. I think there was a communication problem because the oldest list members start with the idea that all the list members know who is who and they may be th

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-26 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "geremy condra" > At least 40% of my coworkers do not speak English as their native > language. Your problem is not the language. Your problem is your > attitude. The atitude considered nice is just duplicity for convincing others, and I don't like duplicity. I like to know exactly what th

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-26 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" > >with JAWS because it is the most used screen reader. > Get off your me soapbox. Jaws is not the most used. NVDA is taking over, > quite fast, and lots of people have totally switched to mac or Vinux Lots of people means an insignifiant percent of users compared wit

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-26 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Tommy Grav" >> You didn't say that WxPython can't be used with Python 3. Have you said that? > > Some besides Peter pointed this out a few days ago. I don't remember to have read that. But who knows, maybe I have missed it. Does anyone have that message? > Python 2 is in bug-fix mode a

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-26 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Emile van Sebille" ... >> Well, I didn't know this, and it is a valid reason. >> This means that it is true that there is no enough maintainance force to >> keep WxPython updated. >> Did I understand correctly? > > Not at all -- wxPython is an active funded ongoing project. Review the > r

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-26 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Robert Kern" > That's not Terry's point. The reasons he's referring to (and stated > previously) > are as follows: > > 1. The license of wxWidgets and wxPython is not as permissive as Python's. > The > Python developers, as a matter of policy, do not want to include code into > the >

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-26 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" > >I don't know why you didn't say this before. > Comprehention, Octavian. I've made that point multiple times, but your > to stuck on talking about how selfish people are. You didn't say that WxPython doesn't work on Python 3, so I don't know what you are talking abo

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-26 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" > >I don't know why you didn't say this before. > Comprehention, Octavian. I've made that point multiple times, but your > to stuck on talking about how selfish people are. You didn't say that WxPython can't be used with Python 3. Have you said that? > >The other part

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-26 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "rusi" On Jan 26, 11:18 am, "Octavian Rasnita" wrote: From: "rantingrick" On Jan 25, 3:41 pm, Corey Richardson wrote: > Do you honestly think he was talking about the accessibility problem? > IMO that should move to another thread, because this o

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-26 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Steven D'Aprano" Quality code is a good thing, but there are people who write good code but are so obnoxious that you wouldn't listen to a word they have to say, and people who are only mediocre or average coders, but are otherwise helpful and friendly. I'm amazed that Rick actually aske

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-26 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Nicholas Devenish" Octavian, we get it - you are on the warpath about accessibility. And this is, in a way, a good thing, because, yes, programmers should in general think more about accessibility when designing their programs. But nobody was ever persuaded to consider a complicated and

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-26 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "geremy condra" There's a difference between what you say and how you say it. If a friend came up to you and said "give me $100 right now!", you probably wouldn't do it. If the same friend came up to you and said "I know this is a big thing to ask, but I really need $100 and I can't guaran

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-26 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Emile van Sebille" Are third party installations nonsense? Or should python come with all libraries for all potential applications? And then always keep up with best of breed? Python should not include all the libraries for all the potential applications, but it should promote the to

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-26 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Emile van Sebille" On 1/25/2011 3:33 PM rantingrick said... Tkinter is old and in many ways insufficient for 21st century GUIs. We need to decide what should come next. I believe wxPython is our best hope. Wx may not be the best it can be, but it is the best we have at this time. Then

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-25 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "rantingrick" On Jan 25, 3:41 pm, Corey Richardson wrote: Do you honestly think he was talking about the accessibility problem? IMO that should move to another thread, because this one is simply about, as the subject suggests, "WxPython versus Tkinter". Corey again (like many) you lack

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-25 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Emile van Sebille" Why is WxPython ineligible? I think Terry's point was compatibility with python3 -- which wx apparently isn't yet. Emile Well, I didn't know this, and it is a valid reason. This means that it is true that there is no enough maintainance force to keep WxPython u

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-25 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "geremy condra" > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Octavian Rasnita wrote: > >> Yes, I know, that's life, which is not right, that's faith, bla bla, but it >> doesn't mean that my atitude need to be changed. > > There's a diffe

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-25 Thread Octavian Rasnita
> this thread was a "psy-ops" (psychological operations) trick to turn off wxPython adopters by associating it with juvenile nonsense Do you think the need for accessibility is a nonsense? Or do you think it is something juvenile? Octavian -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-lis

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-25 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Terry Reedy" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:07 PM Subject: Re: WxPython versus Tkinter. > On 1/25/2011 7:03 AM, Bob Martin wrote: > >> "I bet not much" - there you go again ;-) >> You'll find that nearly all software used in Europe (and most other parts) >> is internationalized o

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-25 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Bob Martin" ... >>Do non-US-based developers focus a lot on accessibility too, since >>that's what really started this whole sub-thread? > > I don't think so; it was never a requirement for the software I wrote, > though I know I had some blind users. But NLS was a must and it has > to be

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-25 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Terry Reedy" > Good as far as it goes, but this list leaves out several requirements > (already posted by me, Steve Hansen, and others) for a Python 3 new > stdlib module. It does not matter for the stdlib if wxpython is 3 times > as good as tkinter, by some measure, as long as it is ine

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-25 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "rantingrick" > Availability of gui builder +0 both I thought that there are a few GUI builders for Wx. Isn't this true? Octavian -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-25 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Bryan" Do non-US-based developers focus a lot on accessibility too, since that's what really started this whole sub-thread? Almost nobody focuses on accessibility, and nobody should focus on accessibility. If you target a program for your national population and your national population

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-25 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Nicholas Devenish" > I can't speak for everyone (I don't have that presumption), but to me, > given the two data points, you are certainly coming across as more > level-headed, and thus representative. Octavians posts sound more and > more like rantingricks as time goes on, which is not

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-25 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" > >Wow! I, I, I, I... is there a sentence that doesn't talk about your > self interests? > It is clear you have been taking lessons from RR; the word I does not > convey self interest, in fact, it is the best word suited to speaking of > oppinions (which is all that t

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-25 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "rantingrick" Tyler's argument, which lacked greatly in compassion for people with disabilities brought out my accusation. It was not an accusation meant to merely insult just to invoke a flame war; which is the definition of Godwins Law. It is a fact that Tyler displayed despicable intoler

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-24 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" And we already do. I haven't campaigned for changes with TKInter or spoken to anyone about them, because I haven't downloaded a program to find out it was written to use TKInter, and thus unacccessible. I'm not saying that there aren't any, just saying it's not some

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-24 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" >Because of this, many blind people try to show that they are like the sighted, that they can do everything, that they are >independent, so they like to >talk about the movies they watch, they like to have touch-pad mobile phones and so on, even though the accessibil

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-24 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" >It would be great if the Tk/Tkinter developers would be interested in making >this GUI lib accessible. They're not going to do it without knowing what makes accessible accessible, and why it needs to be so. So, rather than tell the world about how -some- blind peopl

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-24 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Infinity77" As a general rule, a GUI-newbie should try all the GUI toolkits out there and settle with the one which looks easier/nicer/ Yes it would be nice, but... does it happen that way usually? :-) Octavian -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-24 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Mark Roseman" > "Littlefield, Tyler" wrote: >> Rather, I believe >> those pushing accessibility should concentrate on the root cause; that >> of fixing TKInter, and not forcing everyone else to use a different library. > > > Here, here. From my queries to some of the Tcl/Tk folks, it

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-24 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "rantingrick" > Obviously it > would be awesome, but I think Octavian is just focusing on himself, and > not the actual big picture here. Yes Octavian is the only disabled person in the world. What a selfish, selfish person he is. Shame on you Octavian, Shame on You! You just showed your

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-24 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "MRAB" > On 24/01/2011 18:05, rantingrick wrote: >> On Jan 24, 12:00 pm, Bryan wrote: >> >>> Accessibility, like internationalization, is something few programmers >>> spend much time thinking about. >> >> Thats another uninformed statement by you we can add to the mountains >> of useless c

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-24 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Bryan" I wish I could respond to that, but I have no experience with screen readers. Are there any free ones, or ones with free trials, that I could try out? I'm not yet convinced it's any better or worse than wxPython since you're only a single datapoint, but of course it's possible. If y

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-24 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Mark Roseman" > Octavian, thank you for very clearly making and repeating your point > about screen readers. It is very obvious that at this point in time Tk > (and hence Tkinter) is not a suitable candidate if screen readers are an > important concern. The screen readers are always a

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-24 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" > Hello, > > I have been on another list with Octavian, and he takes his > accessibility a bit to seriously. If things went his way, he wants laws > where -everything- has to be accessible, and it is illegal not to do so. Is the discrimination legal in your country

Re: [Code Challenge] WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-24 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Ethan Furman" > Octavian Rasnita wrote: >> From: "rantingrick" >>> WxPython versus Tkinter (A code battle to the death!) >>> >>> by Rick Johnson. > [...] > > Octavian, > > Please do not repost rr's crap in its

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-24 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" > >Or you have started to use Linux and now you don't care about the > majority of >users that need to use a screen reader? > I said nothing the like. TkInter does have problemns with Jaws, but I'm > not going to sit here and say the same thing over and over as you are

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-24 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Bryan" It would be hard (but not impossible, by any stretch) for me to duplicate your code. Certainly, it would take more lines of code but that's about it. OTOH, it would be very difficult indeed to create a tkinter program that works on windows but segfaults on linux. That's also quite

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-24 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Kevin Walzer" The ttk::treeview widget can also function as a multi-column listbox, and can include both tree and multi-column listbox features in a single window. It's a very flexible widget. But unfortunately it is not accessible for screen readers and it discriminates many potenti

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-23 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "rantingrick" On Jan 23, 5:44 pm, "Martin v. Loewis" wrote: > For something as common as displaying a file browser, it should be as > simple as this: > import gui_toolkit # whichever > path = gui_toolkit.select_file() > Something like zenity: > [steve@sylar ~]$ zenity --file-selection

Re: WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-23 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" >PS: Be sure not to cause any segfaults because these linux folks can't >debug for shite! Or maybe it is that the person fighting and throwing insults around like candy at a parade can't code for shite. Or *gasp* the library that is supposedly cross-platform has issu

Re: [Code Challenge] WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-23 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Kevin Walzer" I found this code in the Demo/tkinter/ttk directory of the Python 2.7.1 source distribution. I'm NOT the author (credit should probably go to Guilherme Polo, developer of the Tkinter wrapper for the ttk themed widgets that is now in the stdlib). But, using a tree/listview

Re: [Code Challenge] WxPython versus Tkinter.

2011-01-22 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "rantingrick" > > WxPython versus Tkinter (A code battle to the death!) > > by Rick Johnson. > > I have in many threads declared that Tkinter (and TclTk) is currently > --and has been for a decade-- the wrong choice for Python's stdlib > GUI. Throughout the 90's Tkinter was fine. However

Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

2011-01-21 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Adam Skutt" > Yet, for some unfathomable reason, you keep promoting I would be glad if you could tell me about a portable solution which is accessible with JAWS and Window Eyes, the most used screen readers under Windows (real glad). I did, Qt. I'm not yournanny and I'm not going to go

Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

2011-01-20 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: "Adam Skutt" > Yet, for some unfathomable reason, you keep promoting wxWidgets even though it is plainly the inferior solution. Inferior to what? I would be glad if you could tell me about a portable solution which is accessible with JAWS and Window Eyes, the most used screen readers und

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