On 9/26/2011 3:34 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
> On 09/26/2011 11:58 AM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
>> On 9/25/2011 4:26 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
>>> Right on. I've seen entire industries put their money into lousy
>>> projects just because everyone else did.
>>
>> I've heard several stories simi
On Sep 26, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Fred Taylor wrote:
> Maybe we should all withhold our tax monies until they get it through their
> thick skulls that it's the PEOPLE's money, not THEIR money.
[OT], please.
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On 09/26/2011 11:58 AM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
> On 9/25/2011 4:26 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
>> Right on. I've seen entire industries put their money into lousy
>> projects just because everyone else did.
>
> I've heard several stories similar to this. This reminds me of Jim
> Eddins' st
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Subject: Re: [NF] Programmers From India
From: Fred Taylor
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Date: 9/26/2011 2:25 PM
Maybe we should all withhold our tax monies until they get it through their
thick skulls that it's the PEOPLE's money, not THEIR mo
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:05 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC <
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> On 9/25/2011 7:55 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:
> > Does anyone on the list know what the deal is with the huge software
> > ($17B) program in the UK that was supposed to be used to mana
Actually, they are quite excellent at wasting money...professionals I
would say.
Mike
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Date: 9/26/2011 2:05 PM
On 9/25/2011 7:55 PM, Mike Copeland wrote
On 9/25/2011 7:55 PM, Mike Copeland wrote:
> Does anyone on the list know what the deal is with the huge software
> ($17B) program in the UK that was supposed to be used to manage all
> healthcare for the nation? I heard the plug was pulled and the program
> scrapped entirely.
>
> Just wondering wh
On 9/25/2011 4:26 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
> Right on. I've seen entire industries put their money into lousy
> projects just because everyone else did.
I've heard several stories similar to this. This reminds me of Jim
Eddins' story about some place he was at where the VB6 devs were
trash-tal
>
> A friend of mine was involved in a similar project. They spent months
> interviewing users to determine exactly how the system would be used,
what
> the users wanted and designing the interface screens. They then
submitted
> the results to the big boss who promptly set about changing it to w
On Monday, September 26, 2011 9:53 AM, "John Weller"
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>They then
> submitted
> the results to the big boss
Three's that 'boss' word again.
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A friend of mine was involved in a similar project. They spent months
interviewing users to determine exactly how the system would be used, what
the users wanted and designing the interface screens. They then submitted
the results to the big boss who promptly set about changing it to what she
tho
ogram on the right
track for less! By jingies, no one can do medical care management better
than the government!
This has been an unpaid sarcastic observation.
Mike
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Subject: Re: [NF] Programmers From India
From: Andrew Stirling
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date:
Regarding the NHS, The Register sums it up nicely:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/22/nhs_it_fail/
It's just as you would imagine - a bunch of sales types promised the
sun, moon and stars to a load of government types who wanted to look
good, while nobody in the NHS could agree what they act
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Jean Laeremans <
laeremans.jeanma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Andrew Stirling wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike
>>
>>
>> Basically politicians dreamt up a concept and allowed Civil Servants,
>> who know nothing about software, to being conned by b
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Andrew Stirling wrote:
> Hi Mike
>
> Basically politicians dreamt up a concept and allowed Civil Servants,
> who know nothing about software, to being conned by business.
>
>
Oh boy does tha
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> Mike
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> Subject: Re: [NF] Programmers From India
> From: Jeff Johnson
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Date: 9/25/2011 6:46 PM
>
> Ricardo, I've worked with trucking companies for mo
worthless...
Just in passing, it sounds like the same kind of initiative that is
being pushed for healthcare here in the US.
Mike
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Subject: Re: [NF] Programmers From India
From: Jeff Johnson
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 9/25/2011 6:46 PM
Ricardo, I&#x
On 09/25/2011 03:15 PM, Ricardo Araoz wrote:
> El 25/09/11 17:26, Jeff Johnson escribió:
>> Right on. I've seen entire industries put their money into lousy
>> projects just because everyone else did.
>>
>>
>> Jeff
>>
> Poor lads... let's cut their taxes.
>
>
Ricardo, I've worked with trucking
El 25/09/11 17:26, Jeff Johnson escribió:
>
> Right on. I've seen entire industries put their money into lousy
> projects just because everyone else did.
>
>
> Jeff
>
Poor lads... let's cut their taxes.
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On 09/23/2011 03:25 PM, Ken Dibble wrote:
>>From what I can see, it doesn't really save them any money when you
>> figure in travel& housing - in addition to a whole bunch of other
>> problems they would not otherwise have.
>>
>> This is also not about hiring someone from overseas when they c
On 9/23/2011 6:25 PM, Ken Dibble wrote:
> So the question is a subset of the category, "Why do decision-makers do
> boneheaded things?"
>
> Because most people are not very smart or very creative, and
> decision-makers are representative of most people--not a special class.
> Because people follow
> From what I can see, it doesn't really save them any money when you
>figure in travel & housing - in addition to a whole bunch of other
>problems they would not otherwise have.
>
>This is also not about hiring someone from overseas when they clearly
>are the best person or company for the job a
term. Of course, these things can't be openly discussed...
Not saying that is what always happens, but I think it comes into play
more often than not.
Mike
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Subject: Re: [NF] Programmers From India
From: Kurt Wendt
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 9/23/2011
Pretty much so...
This kind of situation is strange to experience 1st hand. At the time -
I thought it was so Illogical - and could not believe that others could
not completely see it that way. Although, I believe - there were those
of us there with our hands tied. The powers that be - who ran the
On 9/23/2011 3:48 PM, Kurt Wendt wrote:
> You see - for a particular print project (and, in the end - MANY of them
> were run this way) - we would have certain people inhouse - and then the
> rest of the team was in India. But, the dumbest part was to have the QA
> Team over in India. And, to make
About 3 years ago I was working for this relatively small co. here in
NYC - that did printing of standardized US testing in grades K-12, and
they also produced these personalized study guides. (If a student did
bad in 2 area of a subject - but, good in the other 3 - s/he would get a
study guide tha
> Isn't that also where the University is? Maybe some people came to
> school, wanted to stick around and were able to.
>
> -Jerry
If by "the University" you mean University of
Oregon-May-They-Burn-In-Hell Ducks then yes...
The OTHER University is Oregon State (GO BEAVERS !!), 40 miles north in
> I've heard Eugene is something of a miniture melting pot of a
> place having very liberal views on things, so maybe that's part of how
> these folks gravitated here - an openness to "diversity" at least in the
> sense of foreign nationality...
Isn't that also where the University is? Maybe some
El 22/09/11 17:36, MB Software Solutions, LLC escribió:
> On 9/22/2011 1:36 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote:
>> And Pete strikes again.
>
> Thankfully Thunderbird has filters.
which don't work when people cite the twit.
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MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
> On 9/22/2011 12:24 PM, Fred Taylor wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Jarvis, Matthew wrote:
>>
firing US people first)
>>>
>>> Oops - HIRING, not FIRING...
>> No, I think you were right the first time.
>
>
> Regrettably yes. I feel so sorry for
On 9/22/2011 1:36 PM, Michael Oke, II wrote:
> And Pete strikes again.
Thankfully Thunderbird has filters.
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On 9/22/2011 12:24 PM, Fred Taylor wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Jarvis, Matthew wrote:
>
>>> firing US people first)
>>
>>
>> Oops - HIRING, not FIRING...
>>
>>
>>
> No, I think you were right the first time.
Regrettably yes. I feel so sorry for those bastards who train their
fore
On 9/22/2011 12:01 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
> I get calls all the time from companies in India wanted to help with my
> development needs.
I used to get them. I gave them your number and told them to call you
instead. :)
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On 9/22/2011 11:56 AM, Jarvis, Matthew wrote:
> Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but I wonder if there's a political
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On 9/22/2011 11:47 AM, Fred Taylor wrote:
> Having been witness to this phenomena a few times over the years, I can
> honestly say that the success rate is probably in the 10% range of actually
> accomplishing the goal of saving ANY money. In more than a few of the
> cases, it was the demise of th
They want indentured servants, they don't want White guys who can give their
two weeks and go somewhere else.
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Michael Oke, II wrote:
> And Pete strikes again.
>>> I've heard Eugene is something of a miniture melting pot of a place
>>> having very liberal views on things, so maybe that's part of how these
>>> folks gravitated here - an openness to "diversity" at least in the sense
>>> of foreign nationalit
And Pete strikes again.
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On Sep 22, 2011 9:31 AM, "Pete Theisen" wrote:
> Jarvis, Matthew wrote:
>>> Matthew: The two companies that prompted my comments are small
>>> companies and the only consideration was talent per dollar. I get
>> calls
>>> all t
Jarvis, Matthew wrote:
>> Matthew: The two companies that prompted my comments are small
>> companies and the only consideration was talent per dollar. I get
> calls
>> all the time from companies in India wanted to help with my
> development
>> needs.
>
> Ya know, this convo got me to thinking.
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Jarvis, Matthew wrote:
> > firing US people first)
>
>
> Oops - HIRING, not FIRING...
>
>
>
No, I think you were right the first time.
Fred
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> Matthew: The two companies that prompted my comments are small
> companies and the only consideration was talent per dollar. I get
calls
> all the time from companies in India wanted to help with my
development
> needs.
Ya know, this convo got me to thinking...
Just about every place I've wor
Jarvis, Matthew wrote:
>> firing US people first)
>
>
> Oops - HIRING, not FIRING...
Hi Matthew,
Aha! The truths spoken in errors . . .
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On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Pete Theisen wrote:
> Fred Taylor wrote:
>> Having been witness to this phenomena a few times over the years, I can
>> honestly say that the success rate is probably in the 10% range of actually
>> accomplishing the goal of saving ANY money. In more than a few of
On 09/22/2011 08:56 AM, Jarvis, Matthew wrote:
>>From what I can see, it doesn't really save them any money when you
>> figure in travel& housing - in addition to a whole bunch of other
>> problems they would not otherwise have.
>>
>
> Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but I wonder if there's
> firing US people first)
Oops - HIRING, not FIRING...
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> From what I can see, it doesn't really save them any money when you
> figure in travel & housing - in addition to a whole bunch of other
> problems they would not otherwise have.
>
Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but I wonder if there's a political
angle involved here... perhaps they loos
Fred Taylor wrote:
> Having been witness to this phenomena a few times over the years, I can
> honestly say that the success rate is probably in the 10% range of actually
> accomplishing the goal of saving ANY money. In more than a few of the
> cases, it was the demise of the company. (both small
Having been witness to this phenomena a few times over the years, I can
honestly say that the success rate is probably in the 10% range of actually
accomplishing the goal of saving ANY money. In more than a few of the
cases, it was the demise of the company. (both small and large, but I will
not d
On 9/22/2011 11:28 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
> From what I can see, it doesn't really save them any money when you
> figure in travel& housing - in addition to a whole bunch of other
> problems they would not otherwise have.
It looks good on paper.
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On 09/22/2011 06:02 AM, Richard Kaye wrote:
> I'm not completely humorless, Pete. It's just my -personal- opinion that you
> have a tendency to go over the boundaries of good taste, for lack of a better
> phrase, as well as a tendency to insert OT content into almost every thread
> you particip
On 9/22/2011 9:02 AM, Richard Kaye wrote:
> I'm not completely humorless, Pete. It's just my -personal- opinion that you
> have a tendency to go over the boundaries of good taste, for lack of a better
> phrase, as well as a tendency to insert OT content into almost every thread
> you participate
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> I'm not completely humorless, Pete.
Hi Richard,
Understood - good to know THAT!
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Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:26 PM
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Richard Kaye wrote:
> Pete, you really need to think twice or maybe even 3 times before you hit
> that send button.
Hi Richard,
If you have never heard of brownie
Richard Kaye wrote:
> Pete, you really need to think twice or maybe even 3 times before you hit
> that send button.
Hi Richard,
If you have never heard of brownie points, you have never worked a job
that involves real work. Sure, invoking it in this connection is a bad
pun on skin color of Ob
El 21/09/11 02:31, MB Software Solutions, LLC escribió:
> On 9/20/2011 10:37 PM, Michael Madigan wrote:
>> Just another way the natural born American gets screwed.
> I'm betting this is closer to the truth.
>
Errhhh screwed by other natural born Americans (unless they were
caesarean born Ameri
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Richard Kaye wrote:
> Pete, you really need to think twice or maybe even 3 times before you hit
> that send button.
The correct number of times Pete should think before posting is
34,820,321. No more than once per minute.
Ken
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On Wednesday, September 21, 2011 5:04 AM, "Jeff Johnson"
wrote:
>
> He gets 5 weeks vacation
Well yeah, I get 26 days a year (although taking it all in one block
would be frowned upon) - maybe they're closer to European employment law
than U.S.!
It does sound like a train wreck waiti
Amen.
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> Pete, you really need to think twice or maybe even 3 times before you
> hit that send button.
>
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> Jeff Johnson wrote:
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> They get, uh, BROWNIE points from Obama.
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On 9/21/2011 8:04 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
> The problem is
>
> He gets 5 weeks vacation
That is something I like about the vaca outside the US. Their going on
"holiday" is nice! :-)
I'm betting the timeline isn't met. Let me know later if I'm right.
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> Sent: 21 September 2011 09:16
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>
>
>>> They get, uh, BROWNIE points from Obama.
>
> Please.
>
>> I am thinking it has to do with the Microso
On 09/21/2011 01:15 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
>>> They get, uh, BROWNIE points from Obama.
> Please.
>
>> I am thinking it has to do with the Microsoft tools. I personally am
>> not "smart enough" to do Navision or .NET, so maybe a significant
>> portion of programmers in this country are not up to s
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They get, uh, BROWNIE points from Obama.
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> > They get, uh, BROWNIE points from Obama.
Please.
> I am thinking it has to do with the Microsoft tools. I personally am
> not "smart enough" to do Navision or .NET, so maybe a si
> > They get, uh, BROWNIE points from Obama.
Please.
> I am thinking it has to do with the Microsoft tools. I personally am
> not "smart enough" to do Navision or .NET, so maybe a significant
> portion of programmers in this country are not up to speed on these
> emerging technologies.
>
I
On 9/20/2011 10:37 PM, Michael Madigan wrote:
> Just another way the natural born American gets screwed.
I'm betting this is closer to the truth.
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On 9/20/2011 9:39 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
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> John: that was a rhetorical question and not one directed at you. ;^)
> I just wonder why there are so many talented people in this country and
> on this list (many countries) that we can't provide the needs of these
> companies.
>
> Why can't someone
The grass is always greener...
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We have the same problem here and it didn't start in 2008.
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> John: So you're saying we don't have a dec
Jeff Johnson wrote:
> John: So you're saying we don't have a decent labor pool in this
> country that we have to go get these guys?
Hi Jeff,
What the furriners seem to offer, is obeisance. They suck up to bosses
better than we do. Bosses love sucking up, makes them feel like they are
OK peopl
No, I'm just wondering out keyboard.
John
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John: So you're
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>
> Jeff Johnson wrote:
>> I am having trouble figuring something out. I am seeing more and more
>> companies hiring folks from India and bringing them here to program
>> Microsoft tools. Aren't there
ool and their skills, or lack
> thereof?
>
> John Harvey
>
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We have the same problem here and it didn't start in 2008.
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Jeff Jo
Jeff Johnson wrote:
> I am having trouble figuring something out. I am seeing more and more
> companies hiring folks from India and bringing them here to program
> Microsoft tools. Aren't there qualified candidates here in the US?
> Once you fly them here, pick them up for work and take them
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I wonder if it has to do with the labor pool and their skills, or lack
thereof?
John Harvey
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I am having trouble figuring something out. I am seeing more and more
companies hiring folks from India and bringing them here to program
Microsoft tools. Aren't there qualified candidates here in the US?
Once you fly them here, pick them up for work and take them home at
I am having trouble figuring something out. I am seeing more and more
companies hiring folks from India and bringing them here to program
Microsoft tools. Aren't there qualified candidates here in the US?
Once you fly them here, pick them up for work and take them home at
night, pay for thei
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