Both the Juniper SRX, and the Mikrotik will work.
The problem isn't firewalling, it's NAT. NAT is evil.
Perhaps having enough IP Addresses would be a better solution?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v26BAlfWBm8
On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Matt Freitag wrote:
> I'm a huge fan of Juniper's
I once worked for Zenoss and still suggest them. Zenoss supports NAGIOS
plugins, and my $DAYJOB is at a Zenoss Partner who can help you achieve
your goals. If you need some help with Zenoss feel free to contact me off
list.
Andrew
On Monday, June 6, 2016, Manuel Marín wrote:
> Dear Nanog commu
Journald is excellent. The binary storage format is a huge leap forward.
Andrew
On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Grant Ridder wrote:
> +1 for ELKK (with kafka)
> Doing several hundred GB of log per day with a dozen instances on AWS (ES
> cluster + logstash hosts + kafak cluster)
>
> -Grant
>
> On Mon,
Its a whole extra second you can spend doing something awesome. You have to
plan now!
On Friday, July 8, 2016, Javier J wrote:
> > Time to start preparing
>
>
> Unless you are running something that can't handle leap seconds what do you
> really need to prepare for?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 a
Gmail here, went to my Inbox.
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Jay Farrell via NANOG
wrote:
> Interestingly, your mail to the nanog list went to my spam folder, rather
> than my nanog folder (I'm using gmail or domains for my mail.) That rarely
> happens.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:22 AM, We
I can't for the life of me see why we'd have to deal with it in the course
of our jobs beyond calling someone and having them install more A/C. This
is, flat-out, off topic.
Andrew
On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:15 PM, Royce Williams
wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Ken Chase wrote:
> > O
Arrogance almost always proceeds humiliation.
Andrew
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 12:39 AM, John A. Kilpatrick
wrote:
> Which is kinda funny when you think about it.
>
> --
>John A. Kilpatrick
> j...@hypergeek.netEmail| http://www.hypergeek.net/
>
I'm a Time Warner/Spectrum customer and to date haven't been able to
discern that they have any clue what IPv6 is. If it's available please
contact me off list and tell me how to get it.
Andrew
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Jason Pope wrote:
> All,
>
> I apologize for doing this, but is ther
It's probably subspace interference caused by high levels of neutrinos.
On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 8:43 PM, Large Hadron Collider <
large.hadron.colli...@gmx.com> wrote:
> Would you on the fine mailing list be able to find out what's going on
> here?
>
>
>
> Forwarded Message
> Sub
Would a Spectrum engineer please contact me off list? It appears you're
caching an expired certificate for https://www.icei.org.
The issue is tested/working everywhere else.
Thanks!
Andrew
Since I'm not squeamish about such things, I do have tin snips and will
happily assist in revocation of compromised biometric authentication
factors.
Andrew
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Ken Chase wrote:
> (forking the thread here..)
>
> Biometrics are still the new hotness out in North Amer
Lets say the worst case scenario is that we exhaust IPv6 at a rate
MASSIVELY higher than planned. Can't we all just do this again in like 80
years? I don't get why anyone cares so much that this thread won't die.
Speaking of dying, I'll be dead by then anyway.
Andrew
On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 4:59 PM Ryan Gard wrote:
> We're on the hunt yet again for an additional /22 to lease, and are
> wondering what the best options are out there?
>
> Our usual suspects that we've reached out to in the past seem to be plum
> out... Any recommendations?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> R
On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 12:52 PM John Levine wrote:
> In article you write:
> >why is no one exploring converting this mailing list to a blockchain?
> >major missed opportunity.
>
> Ssshhh, we're in the quiet period before the IPO.
>
> Block chain? We can’t get half these people to adopt IPv6
Interesting as very few would call me moderate!
Andrew
On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 7:08 PM Scott Weeks wrote:
>
>
>
> Is NANOG now moderated? Can the folks with the purple
> robes and wizard hats please allow me back in? :-)
>
> scott
>
>
>
> --- Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: nanog-ow...@nano
On 10/6/2010 4:33 PM, david raistrick wrote:
>
> so the majority defines operational now, huh? wow. nice to know that
> network service providers outnumber other companies these days... (of
> course, those service providers also make their money from facebook
> consumers)
No, the majority do
On 10/6/2010 5:05 PM, david raistrick wrote:
>
>
> to be clear, I could give a damn about if we talk about this on nanog
> or not. (and I agree that outages is the right place to announce
> outages, and outage-discuss to discuss them).
>
>
> my point is that facebook has moved beyond being a pure
On 10/12/2010 8:35 AM, iHate SORBS wrote:
> Network Operators Unite Against SORBS
>
>
>
> Do you, or have you had problems with SORBS?
>
> Tired of being able to do nothing about it?
>
> Sick of opening a trouble ticket, only to get delisted weeks later?
>
>
>
> I am calling on all Network Operato
Apparently I have replied to someone who has been banned from NANOG
unknowingly. My humble apologies to all, this person has been killfiled.
Andrew
On 10/18/2010 5:46 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:52:18 PDT, George Bonser said:
> Those people are next on my hit list, after we've finally eliminated those
> who still talk about class A/B/C addresses. :)
>
IPv6 isn't going to make class-based routing obsolete... is
On 11/6/2010 1:53 AM, Saqib Ilyas wrote:
> Greetings NANOGers
> A friend of mine is doing some testing where he wishes to emulate a
> cellular-like interfaces with random drops and all, out of an ethernet
> interface. Since we have plenty of network and system ops on the list, I
> thought we might
ClearOS appliance.
http://www.clearcenter.com/ClearBOX-Overview/clearbox-overview.html
multi-wan, snort IDS, reporting, all built in. Manageable via the web
interface, or ssh (it's linux after all)
On 11/11/2010 8:41 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
> Something a NANOGer might want at home would be a go
Really? Seems to me like Glen Beck is always drawing a series of tubes
on his chalkboard? They all lead to Godwin's law though. Very strange...
On 11/16/2010 7:39 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote:
> What's the big deal ? Just look at what the sticker under whatever
> you are using to type says ... Made
On 11/28/2010 4:34 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
> anyone know why https://www.wikileaks.org/ is not reachable? nations
> state level censors trying to close the barn door after the horse has
> left?
>
> randy
>
Good riddance. The sooner someone gives Julian Assange 230gr of shut
the f*** up, the better.
On 11/28/2010 6:11 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> I find it distressing when Network Operators are willing to encourage
> DDoS'ing of a site. Any site. Especially on an operational list, where
> politics are specifically prohibited.
>
> You don't like Wikileaks, that's between you & Julian. A
On 11/28/2010 10:52 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010, Ken Chase wrote:
>
>> This is always the best way to deal with disagreement.
>>
>> But I think this is the wrong list to tender such contracts. Also, it's odd
>> you
>> hate DDOS's more than murder. Time to take some time off work
Send each customer out to buy this:
http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BE350G
problem solved.
Andrew
On 12/27/2010 10:10 AM, Mike wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Well as is customary in our part of the country (Northern
> California), with the stormy weather comes brownouts and
I'm not Spamhaus. I don't necessarily agree with their listing
policies, but reading your SBL record,
http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/sbl.lasso?query=SBL100691, it appears that
someone from your ISP has been in contact with Spamhaus, and were less
than thorough in removing the spam gang you guys signe
I've got no experience running a DNSBL, nor does William, but it seems
to me that I'm not getting told the truth. Now, as I said, I don't
always agree with Spamhaus' policies, but I'd bet a ham sandwich that
you don't get delisted any time soon.
Andrew
> William,
>
> It depends, we have criteri
> Raymond,
>
> We've acted on every report that we're aware of and instead you want
> to play pharmacy domain scavenger hunt. This domain at 208.64.120.197
> redirects to IP space we already null routed. It's the same customer.
>
> Just to calm your nerves we'll also null route that space (208.64.1
> Raymond,
>
> I do not take you for a fool, the assignment is legitimately null
> routed. My traceroutes are dropping at my home ISP.
>
> Jeff
Come on Jeff, I googled the listed address for blacklotus.net, and look
what comes up:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=3419+Virgini
Would a PCCW admin contact me off-list regarding one of your customers?
Andrew
Need a PacketExchange/Mzima admin to contact me off list regarding an AS
Number issue.
Andrwe
On 7/17/2011 6:36 PM, Scott, Robert D. wrote:
> There appears to be a login issue at Netflix.
Streaming works here.
Andrew
_
NANOG mailing list
NANOG@nanog.org
https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog
Apologies for answering in-thread the question in the subject (jumping
in if you will), but in the event of network failure, I brew beer, and
drink beer previously brewed. Brewing beer is fun, tasty, and requires
no internet access. The alcohol eventually helps me forget my lack of
internet acces
The US Airforce has sent most of the fighters from the East Coast to
Indiana, what are you doing to prepare for the storm of the next 2 days?
Ready, Set, DISCUSS!
On 8/26/2011 10:56 PM, Paul wrote:
> I'm assuming he also has fully redundant water sources, fertilisers etc,
> along with a contract for replenishment and resupply.
>
> Can't be too safe.
Why? All he needed to do is keep the tomato plant in a private cage
On 9/4/2011 5:34 PM, Andrew Mulholland wrote:
I'm not seeing the problem here?
Registrant:
Gateway, Inc. (GATEW95532)
7565 Irvine Center Drive
Irvine, CA, 92618-2930
US
Domain name: acer.com
Technical contact:
Administrator, Domain (DA73355)
NetNames Hostmaster
3rd Floor Prosper
On 9/15/2011 10:02 AM, Meftah Tayeb wrote:
> Hello People
>
> i have one question:
>
> why SIXXS is very strict like that ?
>
I concur in all respects with your assessment of SIXXS. Being a
volunteer does not give you carte-blanche to act like the rear end of a
horse. I don't care if your servic
On 11/4/2011 10:01 AM, Jeroen Massar wrote:
I realize you're volunteers, but grow up.
good grief children these days.
Andrew
On 11/17/2011 3:47 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> My, but there are a lot of people, in my best friend's favorite phrase,
> "spring loaded to the pissed-off position". I didn't think NANOGers were
> quite so prone to recreational indignation...
>
> Cheers,
> -- jra
If only there was some sort of movem
please refer to the e-mail I sent to this list last December about IPv6
and u-verse.
On 8/28/2014 4:07 PM, Brandon Ewing wrote:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 01:50:29AM +, Ivan Kozik wrote:
All for naught, though. With IPv6 enabled, the 3801HGV crashed and
rebooted about once an hour. After
Is this the thread where I go for the high score in profanity?
You know, for testing purposes?
Owen: I think that NANOG would get huge value from syndicating my Facebook
wall, don't you?
On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 1:43 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> Is Damn supposed to get through or is it supposed to g
Minimal? Probably 22LR. I prefer 458SOCOM though. As Bob Evans notes,
there may be some waiting periods, serial numbers, and background checks
involved. :)
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
> >> http://www.procmail.org/
> > I wouldn't necessarily recommend that approach. The
Is there an SCNET admin that follows this list? I've gotten about a
hundred spam messages from nanog.org in the last 2 hours... perhaps you
could nullroute it until they fix it. :)
Andrew
test
All,
Myth: NANOG supposed to be the gold standard for best practices.
Fact: 500 spam messages over the weekend.
Myth: there were no complaints and this issue was raised over the weekend
Fact: I raised it this weekend via twitter twice @NANOG, and requested
contact from SCNET (NANOG's upstream) t
I have been getting these all weekend as well, and am well over 200. Pings
via Twitter, and attempts to contact NANOG's upstream (SCNET) via NANOG
have gone unanswered.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote:
> On 10/26/15 11:24 AM, Joe Abley wrote:
>
>> On Oct 26, 2015, at 13:10,
It's insane to claim this when I sent several e-mails, and tweets to NANOG
this weekend, and even requested an offlist contact from NANOG's upstream.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Jim Mercer wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 09:59:40PM -0400, Robert Webb wrote:
> > This spam is ridiculous!
>
The unequal treatment we see here is why, so many years ago, I fought and
threatened to rhsbl .mail. We've built the walled garden anyway, and now
we're damned for it.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Chris Knipe wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:22 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
>
> > you might thin
not even close to more discussing than from the original spam. Not even
close.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Steve Mikulasik
wrote:
> I think there might be more emails discussing the spam, than the actual
> spam itself.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@na
remember folks, redundancy is the savior of all f***ups.
:)
On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 2:21 PM, JoeSox wrote:
> I just waited 160 minutes for a tech call and the Bluehost tech told me he
> was able to confirm that it wasn't malicious activity that took down the
> datacenter but rather it was cause
Might I suggest cake pleas?
On Tuesday, December 1, 2015, Christopher Morrow
wrote:
> hasn't this been the case for ~10 yrs now?
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Max Tulyev > wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > we got an issue today that announces from Cogent don't reach Hurricane
> > Electric. HE su
I wonder if Tmobile realizes that when you sign up for a contract with
them using one of their phones as a wifi hotspot, the address of their
enterprise NAT is what's recorded by their form. They even make you
check a button to accept their lack of security.
Not that that could result in massive
Speaking as a former DNSBL operator, NANOG has a poor history of
dealing with those who report abuse as well.
On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2015, Colin Johnston wrote:
>
>> why do the chinese network folks never reply and action abuse reports,
>> norm
I have an idea. Indianapolis Cybercrime should stop playing politics and
treat people like me who are willing to help, and were hugely successful
with respect, and not like a mob informant.
That said, post Snowden, I doubt I would go back... even with Brian Kils
bullshit.
Andrew D Kirch.
On Sund
I attempted to use normal channels today at AT&T (enduser support) to
address a reachability issue with AT&T Wireless to
http://jimtest.delong.com. This left AT&T's enduser support utterly
befuddled. Sadly, this is still the company that famously claimed
""We don't support reaching web sites over
use a CDN provider or AWS ELBs or something to absorb the attacks?
On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> Not quite sure what kind of info / confirmation you are looking for...
>
> There are lots of articles (do a google search) on this topic as well as
> mitigation ...
>
> e.g.
I can't access http://jimtest.delong.com via your Cable Modem network.
Thanks!
Andrew
I had to beat up on AT&T quite a bit, but instead of letting them "make
notes", escalate to tier-2 because you can't reach work. Explain that you
must have IPv6 to reach work to the tier-2. If they won't help demand to
be escalated further. Your time on the phone costs them money.
On Sat, Jul 1
James,
1. cyberwar is bullsh*t, always has been, always will be.
2. we are risking a "cyberwar" (which is, as previously mentioned,
bullsh*t) with North Korea which can't even feed itself, let alone buy
things like computers, or real internet access. So, yes you can knock
out root name serve
On 7/24/2010 7:44 PM, Ryan Rawdon wrote:
Can you provide information to back this up? At first glance glance I am
having a hard time believing this is anything but speculation, but would be
interested to hear more.
That is because n3td3v is a troll. Please do not feed, thx.
Andrew
Original Message
Subject: Re: North Korea conflict with US and South Korea could spark
cyber war
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:04:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: andrew.wallace
To: Andrew Kirch
Continue to call me a troll in public and I'll be seeking legal a
I'd request that anyone with evidence that Andrew Wallace had
inappropriate contact with a minor male child in 1999, please contact me
off-list.
Thanks, and this will be my last response to anything regarding Mr.
Wallace publicly as I'll no longer be seeing much of him.
Andrew
Jeff,
Go for it. I've always wondered what ARIN had between it's legs.
Andrew
On 8/13/2010 1:53 PM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote:
9. I could point out so many cases of "justification abuse" or
outright fraudulent justification and I bet nothing would actually
transpire.
My two cents.
Jeff
On Fri,
40 Acres and a Mule were promised to every slave freed in the south by
General Grant. It was later rescinded. 600 acres was promised to
non-landowning general militia soldiers after the Revolutionary war.
You're only off by ~100 years.
Andrew
On 8/14/2010 1:27 PM, Jimi Thompson wrote:
It
On 8/23/2010 1:17 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
What it really comes down to is packets per watt or packets per dollar,
if it's cheaper to do it this way then people will, if not BFD.
I disagree here. Core routing isn't purchased based on cost, it's
purchased based on support. People have not ado
On 8/27/2010 4:33 AM, Callum Finlayson wrote:
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Michael J McCafferty
wrote:
For kicks, I looked at the most agonizing trip options... I chose a trip
from San Diego to New York City... the worst were:
1) Tijuana to Mexico City, 16hr hour layover, then to Newark
Did you call Chuck Jones?
On 9/2/2010 4:43 PM, Brad Fleming wrote:
Any Road Runner abuse reps on the list?
If so, could you please contact me off-list?
On 9/8/2010 7:18 PM, Paul Norton wrote:
Someone from Speakeasy please contact me off-list. This is for
business T-1 service.
I've been seeing major packet loss on one of your peering nodes for a
week now and am experiencing degraded service due to this.
Support has been unable to resolve a
On 9/21/2010 12:29 PM, Tony Finch wrote:
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Reese wrote:
Several years ago I heard of a Swiss ISP having the same problem. They
built their network by running fibre along the earth conductor of high
voltage transmission lines (like Energis in the UK). I was told that it
was com
On 9/29/2010 12:26 PM, N. Yaakov Ziskind wrote:
> "I block all SMTP traffic from IPV4 servers (clients?) which have odd
> numbers in the third octet." might not be a good idea for a high volume
> mail server with clients, but if it's your network, go for it.
>
Sadly this method would on average
On 2/6/2011 12:00 AM, Joly MacFie wrote:
> Lebanon's Telecom minister is claiming that US Navy radar is blocking the
> country's Internet..
>
> http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/NewsDesk.nsf/0/93A95CA1A4E42178C225782E007371AF
>
> "The problem, however, is due to a coordination error related to wave
On 2/21/2011 4:04 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote:
> On 2/21/11 1:41 PM, Kate Gerry wrote:
>
> Kate,
>
> It is unlikely you will find a direct contact for APEWS - your best
> bet is to get access to usenet through one of the Usenet providers or
> even through aioe or eternal-september.
>
>
APEWS is brainde
On 2/21/2011 4:37 PM, William Pitcock wrote:
> Hi,
> Nobody in their right mind uses APEWS when there are more legitimate
> DNSBLs around like Spamhaus, AHBL, DroneBL, etc.
>
> Your client is unlikely having any problem with this listing. But, if
> you really want to bother, my advice is get a Sup
On 2/21/2011 10:04 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
> There has been a bad Earthquake in Christchurch New Zealand with reports of
> fatalities.
>
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150099324847752&set=a.125583977751.103665.119452527751&theater
>
> Telecom New Zealand reports "Heavy damage" to
The problem with this is that both ARES and RACES hams have gotten there
first (orange lights and strobes flashing) and are now engaged in
small-arms fire over who gets to set their repeater up. You're now
hiding under your vehicle. What is your next move?
Andrew
On 2/24/2011 10:03 AM, Franck
On 3/13/2011 8:39 AM, goe...@anime.net wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2011, Alexander Maassen wrote:
>> Why o why are isp's and hosters so ignorant in dealing with such issues
>> and act like they do not care?
>
> they don't act like they do not care. they really *don't* care. no
> acting.
>
> 1) you're n
On 3/13/2011 1:24 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
> On 3/13/11 8:36 AM, Andrew Kirch wrote:=
>> Is it time for another "notion of self-defense" in responding
>> to/retaliating against a DDoS attack of sufficient strength to hold down
>> a large network, or resource?
>
On 4/4/11 11:46 AM, andrew.wallace wrote:
> Someone has recently post to a mailing list:
> http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2011-April/080096.html
>
> Andrew
>
And users of that list certainly have it. Why is it being reposted
here? request for admin action
expect nothing of technical relevance in this thread, but as this might
generate some phonecalls to some people.
John,
My suggestion isn't _QUITE_ an appliance, but it works very well and
I've been exceptionally happy with it. It's a distribution of linux
controlled via a web interface that does far more than just mail
filtering (at which it is both flexible and adept). Take a look at
http://www.clearfound
would someone at SIXXS please contact me off-list regarding an account
issue?
On 4/25/2011 4:07 AM, Raymond Dijkxhoorn wrote:
> Hi!
>
>> would someone at SIXXS please contact me off-list regarding an account
>> issue?
>
> Contact
> The main contact address for SixXS is i...@sixxs.net, which is the
> sole email address one should use to contact SixXS. Non-English,
> impolite,
On 4/25/2011 3:51 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2011, Andrew Kirch wrote:
>
>> Yes, repeatedly. The response was non-existent, or simply
>> unfortunate, so I'm trying other avenues.
>
> I see this quite a lot. I guess one gets what one p
On 4/26/2011 12:11 PM, Brielle Bruns wrote:
> I've run a volunteer/free hosting service since 1997 or so - it never
> ceases to amaze me how people will complain about free things, but
> when you ask them to pony up a little monthly support its like you
> killed their puppy. I just term people who
On 4/26/2011 8:56 PM, TR Shaw wrote:
> On Apr 26, 2011, at 6:38 PM, Andrew Kirch wrote:
>
> I can't say about SIXXS but HE has been great to me. If it wasn't for them I
> would be out in the cold since neither ATT nor Brighthouse (my 2 options at
> my colo) can even s
On 5/1/2011 2:07 PM, Mike wrote:
> I am still waiting for proof that single points of failure can
> realistically be completely eliminated from any moderately complicated
> network environment / application. So far, I think murphy is still
> winning on this one.
Sure they can, but as a thought exe
On 5/15/2011 4:27 PM, Tammy A Wisdom wrote:
> Trying to get them to do anything is a waste of time. They refuse to enforce
> their TOS and will tell you that if you call.
> Tammy of the AHBL
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
Yep, Godaddy abuse = big dark nothing into which complaints enter... and
then are
nothing like 40 short and wimpy! Might I interest you in a 45? :)
On 6/6/2011 11:37 AM, Nick Olsen wrote:
> Don't leave the house without my Glock 23 on my side. Truck always has a
> loaded 12ga in it. In the house, I've got a handful of pistols and my
> SR-556 (AR-15) in the "Guns and servers"
On 6/6/2011 11:29 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 9:11 PM, wrote:
>
> Well, the operational concern is... various governments have lately
> shown a trend of disconnecting their countries' networks.
> UN action is unlikely to help; they are too delayed, and there is
> a lack of enf
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