As someone who is under 35, this comment strikes a chord with me. I
started
self-studying networking when I was 15ish, yet I had to wait until I
was 26
before I could get a full time job in the industry. I even had to move
out
of my home country. Getting a solid start in the industry was
ex
ng, unless you can see the bigger picture.
>
> Steve Mikulasik
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Ray Soucy
> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 7:37 AM
> To: William Waites
> Cc: NANOG
> Subject: Re: eBay is looking for n
On Jun 11, 2015 7:07 AM, "jim deleskie" wrote:
>
> There is a good reason there aren't LOTS of "good" neteng in the 30-35 or
> under 30 range with lots of experience. Its call the hell we went though
> for a while after 2000 working in this industry. Many of us lost jobs and
> couldn't find new
e bigger picture.
Steve Mikulasik
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Ray Soucy
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 7:37 AM
To: William Waites
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
I really wonder how people get into this field today. It
On Wednesday, June 10, 2015, Alex White-Robinson wrote:
> Matthew Petach > wrote:
>
> > On a slightly different note, however--while it's good to
> > have an appreciation of the past and how we got here,
> > I think it's wise to also recognize we as an industry
> > have some challenges bringing n
I really wonder how people get into this field today. It has gotten
incredibly complex and I've been learning since before I was a teenager
(back when it was much more simple).
I'm 31 now, but I started getting into computers and specifically
networking at a very young age (elementary school). W
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:24:31 +0200, Ruairi Carroll
said:
> What I found is that back in early-mid 00's, the industry was a
> black box. Unless you knew someone inside of the industry...
I suspect this is partly a result of the consolidation that went
on. In the mid 1990s when I started
On 11 June 2015 at 06:46, Alex White-Robinson wrote:
> Matthew Petach wrote:
>
> > On a slightly different note, however--while it's good to
> > have an appreciation of the past and how we got here,
> > I think it's wise to also recognize we as an industry
> > have some challenges bringing new b
There is a good reason there aren't LOTS of "good" neteng in the 30-35 or
under 30 range with lots of experience. Its call the hell we went though
for a while after 2000 working in this industry. Many of us lost jobs and
couldn't find new ones. I know talented folks that had to go to delivering
I'm curious. What reading and comprehension level does one need to be
considered a network heavy? No snark, I really would like to know.
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015, 6:01 AM Mark Foster wrote:
>
>
> On 11/06/2015 4:46 p.m., Alex White-Robinson wrote:
> > Matthew Petach wrote:
> >
> >> On a slightly di
On 11/06/2015 4:46 p.m., Alex White-Robinson wrote:
Matthew Petach wrote:
On a slightly different note, however--while it's good to
have an appreciation of the past and how we got here,
I think it's wise to also recognize we as an industry
have some challenges bringing new blood in--and
trea
Matthew Petach wrote:
> On a slightly different note, however--while it's good to
> have an appreciation of the past and how we got here,
> I think it's wise to also recognize we as an industry
> have some challenges bringing new blood in--and
> treating it too much like a sacred priesthood with
On 06/10/2015 07:47 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
Over the past 25 years or so, I can think of a half-dozen offers I've
turned down because the employer failed the interview. (Which
doesn't make me a geeenious ... just someone who values low blood
pressure, and prefers an interesting work environm
On Jun 10, 2015, at 11:18 AM, goe...@anime.net wrote:
> Indeed, the interview process is a two way street. Lets you evaluate who you
> would be working for -- or if you really would want to.
I wrote most of a very long follow-up to this. But what it boils down to is:
+10,000
For all of you s
On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
[...]
>
> And this... is NANOG!
Needs more ellipses and capitalization...more like
This...IS...NANOG!!!
building up to a nice crescendo roar as you kick the
hapless interviewee backwards down the deep, dark well
On a slightly different note
On Tue, 9 Jun 2015, Jay Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Shane Ronan"
When I was asked the default BGP timers across three different vendor
platforms as measure of my networking ability during an interview, I
replied saying I'd look them up if needed them.
I was told I didn'
- Original Message -
> From: "Shane Ronan"
> When I was asked the default BGP timers across three different vendor
> platforms as measure of my networking ability during an interview, I
> replied saying I'd look them up if needed them.
>
> I was told I didn't understand BGP in enough det
On Mon, 8 Jun 2015, Yardiel D. Fuentes wrote:
This discussion is always reminisced of questions such as: Why would I
want to learn Algebra or Calculus in college ? or why would I want to go
to college at all ? .. the student argues that calculus or college is
hardly ever used, if at all, in a
I (sortakinda related to the as-drifted thread) was reminded today of
another flag I watched for back in the day by something I saw on
Facebook™ today--people using words (especially big words) that do not
mean what they think they do.
http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/6/8/8748933/pat-vendit
'Don't learn by heart that which you can look up.' apart from enough
basics to get you up and connected so that you CAN look things up! ;)
There's a whole debate about the education system and learning things by rote
that can be looked up. In many sectors you have reference tomes. ..some
On 06/08/2015 07:34 PM, shawn wilson wrote:
On Jun 8, 2015 10:11 PM, "Shane Ronan" wrote:
Certs have ruined the industry.
Certs have made the industry more interesting. After all, without certs,
we'd have less stupid to point at and laugh (or scream). And HR screeners
would need to know som
Hi,
> Certs have ruined the industry.
Certifications are great keywords for recruiters. If you're a hiring manager,
why create a huge list of all routing protocols you'd like the ideal candidate
to understand? Saying "I need a JNCIE with 5 years experience" is a lot easier
than "the ideal cand
i don't think certs have ruined the industry. bad interviewing and
recruiting, maybe...
asking encyclopedia-type "gotcha" questions are the most inane test of
someone's ability to perform well at the job. i promise you - you didn't
want to work for this person anyways.
got a cert? great. but let'
On Jun 8, 2015 10:11 PM, "Shane Ronan" wrote:
>
> Certs have ruined the industry.
Certs have made the industry more interesting. After all, without certs,
we'd have less stupid to point at and laugh (or scream). And HR screeners
would need to know something about the position they're screening.
When I was asked the default BGP timers across three different vendor
platforms as measure of my networking ability during an interview, I
replied saying I'd look them up if needed them.
I was told I didn't understand BGP in enough detail, despite being able to
describe all the steps of BGP sessio
On 06/08/2015 06:22 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
--- valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 17:10:25 -0700, Jeroen van Aart said:
You sort of nailed it though. I think ready knowledge
about the internals of utilities such as traceroute
or ping is nice to have, however if you don't know
This discussion is always reminisced of questions such as: Why would I want
to learn Algebra or Calculus in college ? or why would I want to go to
college at all ? .. the student argues that calculus or college is hardly
ever used, if at all, in a job … the most sensible perspective has always
bee
--- valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 17:10:25 -0700, Jeroen van Aart said:
> You sort of nailed it though. I think ready knowledge
> about the internals of utilities such as traceroute
> or ping is nice to have, however if you don't know
Describe the top 3 gotchas of using t
On Mon, 08 Jun 2015 17:10:25 -0700, Jeroen van Aart said:
> You sort of nailed it though. I think ready knowledge about the
> internals of utilities such as traceroute or ping is nice to have,
> however if you don't know
Describe the top 3 gotchas of using traceroute to diagnose network problems.
Yeah, I think that's more about them stroking their own ego than anything to do
with you or the job. I've unfortunately seen a few of those types before as
well.
> On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:26 PM, Justin M. Streiner
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 8 Jun 2015, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/05/2015
On Mon, 8 Jun 2015, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
On 06/05/2015 06:38 PM, Mike Hale wrote:
We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute.
Don't learn by heart that which you can look up. In this day and age where
knowledge about every subject imaginable is a 5 second (to a m
On 06/05/2015 06:38 PM, Mike Hale wrote:
We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute.
You sort of nailed it though. I think ready knowledge about the
internals of utilities such as traceroute or ping is nice to have,
however if you don't know it it is not something th
On Jun 8, 2015 1:42 AM, "shawn wilson" wrote:
>
>
> On Jun 7, 2015 10:59 PM, "Jay Ashworth" wrote:
> >
>
> > I don't
> > RTFM, I google. It's often faster, so many of TFMs are online now.
> >
>
> Until Google supports regex and some of the duckduckgo module features,
I'll be faster getting to re
On Jun 7, 2015 10:59 PM, "Jay Ashworth" wrote:
>
> I don't
> RTFM, I google. It's often faster, so many of TFMs are online now.
>
Until Google supports regex and some of the duckduckgo module features,
I'll be faster getting to reference to you will on Google. Notice I said
reference, not an an
On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 4:31 AM, Tony Hain wrote:
> Randy Bush wrote:
>
>> but you can't move packets on pieces of paper.
>
> Or can you? RFC's 6214 2549 1149
But how many avian carriers would you need to move
the packets current pushed around per second, and
how many Mercedes' would have t
On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:31 PM, Tony Hain wrote:
> Randy Bush wrote:
>> but you can't move packets on pieces of paper.
> Or can you? RFC's 6214 2549 1149
Sure, but rfc1149 needs some work before it could be a viable way of
moving packets. For example: the rfc calls for printing a diagram on
Randy Bush wrote:
> but you can't move packets on pieces of paper.
Or can you? RFC's 6214 2549 1149
;)
On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 7:28 AM, Stephen Satchell wrote:
> On 06/07/2015 01:10 AM, Joshua Riesenweber wrote: [snip]
What the industry could probably use most for entry-level certs is
a technical reading comprehension requirement on the certs, or a requirement
of GRE scores e.g. 145 Verbal, 16
Jay said:
>Original RFC editor. Invented Perl, among other things. Co-designed DNS
>(did I get that right?) I personally always label layers 8, 9, and 10
>as money, management and inside counsel, but I know views differ. I don't
>RTFM, I google. It's often faster, so many of TFMs are online no
On Sun, 7 Jun 2015, Joshua Riesenweber wrote:
As someone studying their first CCIE (RS), I sometimes find these kind
of discussions disheartening. They come up every now and again, and the
opinions seem vary anywhere between 'a good interview tool' and 'less
than worthless'.
[snip]
Does a cer
- Original Message -
> From: "Larry Sheldon"
> I find it interesting that I have not note a mention of people like
> Radia Pearlman and [name advancing years have stolen from me] that wrote
> a 3 volume set (I think it was) (that I can not find in the
> post-great-downsizing-bookshelves-d
> Here's the topper: who was (is) Al Gore, and what part did he play in
> the birth of the Internet as we know it today? Try not to howl as some
> of the answers you will get.
Advocated for the funding of NREN while in Congress; later misquoted as
saying he'd "invented the Internet" at some length
- Original Message -
> From: "Joe Hamelin"
> Back in 2000 at Amazon, HR somehow decided to have me do the phone
> interviews for neteng. I'd go through questions on routing and what not,
> then at the end I would ask questions like, "Who was Jon Postel? Who
> is Larry Wall? Who is Paul Vi
- Original Message -
> From: "John Fraizer"
> It's been over a decade since I was an active participant on NANOG. I
> didn't know that the NANOG-JOBS list existed. Sometimes it's easier to
> ask for forgiveness than permission though. I guess it's a good thing
> Susan H. isn't here to thr
for
> >> $day_job only without any real desire to understand how
> >> things-actually-work&why.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: John Fraizer
> >> To: Łukasz Bromirski
> >> Cc: nanog@nano
On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
> i assume, but have zero actual knowledge/experience, that certification
> courses/programs actually cover all the corners and minutiae of a subject
> such as is-is. so you come out knowing all the options and details, 42%
> of which you will u
On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Peter Kristolaitis
wrote:
> In many ways, certification tracks are something like getting a PhD.
> Completely useless information (and very few skills) to anything you'll do
> in the "real world", but if it makes your clock tick, go for it. Just
> don't expect me
i assume, but have zero actual knowledge/experience, that certification
courses/programs actually cover all the corners and minutiae of a subject
such as is-is. so you come out knowing all the options and details, 42%
of which you will use; or maybe 24% if you are parsimonious.
while i no longer
certifications. :)
Scott
-Original Message-
From: Stephen Satchell
Date: Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 8:28 AM
To: , "nanog@nanog.org"
Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
>That said, certifications show that the candidate can turn a wrench. It
>shows nothing about
On 6/7/2015 4:10 AM, Joshua Riesenweber wrote:
As someone studying their first CCIE (RS), I sometimes find these kind of
discussions disheartening. They come up every now and again, and the opinions
seem vary anywhere between 'a good interview tool' and 'less than worthless'.
A certification is
On 06/07/2015 01:10 AM, Joshua Riesenweber wrote:
Now from what I understand of the CCIE lab exam (which I haven't
attempted yet), it is a practical exam and you need to know your
stuff to pass. I'm sure people think up ways to cheat and devalue it,
that's bound to happen. I've sat on both sides
On Jun 7, 2015 4:12 AM, "Joshua Riesenweber"
wrote:
>
> (In my experience it takes more time to study a certification track than
to learn just what you need to get a job done.)
>
Stated different, no job is going to teach you how to pass a cert. And no
cert is going to teach a job. One can help
As someone studying their first CCIE (RS), I sometimes find these kind of
discussions disheartening. They come up every now and again, and the opinions
seem vary anywhere between 'a good interview tool' and 'less than worthless'.
It took me a long time to get started in certifications once I bega
On 6/6/2015 05:43, shawn wilson wrote:
My first thought on reading that was "who the hell cares if a person
knows about internet culture". But than I had to reconsider - it's a
very apt way of telling if someone read the right books :)
I would also add Ritchie, Thompson, and Diffie to that list
y-work&why.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: John Fraizer
>> To: Łukasz Bromirski
>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 5:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
>>
>> Folks,
ir Windows Secrets books;^)
Frank Whiteley
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Larry Sheldon
Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2015 8:25 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
On 6/5/2015 23:35, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
&
On 6/5/2015 23:35, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
'pathping' . learned something new today... Did not know such a
command existed in windows..
Been working with computers for over 30 years, while I don't care as
to what it says about how much I know, but it sure reminds me that
that their is always so
On 06/06/2015 07:17 PM, John Fraizer wrote:
And if you've
got a cert, you had better know your stuff because if your cert says you're
an EXPERT. I'm gonna expect you to be one!
X -- math quantity denoting the unknown
SPURT -- drip of water under pressure
X-SPURT -- unknown drip under pressure
real desire to understand how
> things-actually-work&why.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: John Fraizer
> To: Łukasz Bromirski
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 5:55 PM
> Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
>
> Fo
o: Łukasz Bromirski
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
Folks,
It's just a piece of paper in my opinion. A person either knows their
stuff or they don't. Less than 5min on a phone screen and I will know if
they "bou
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Dave Taht wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Brandon Ross wrote:
>> I also concur. There is most certainly a negative correlation between certs
>> and clue in my experience, having met 10s of certificate holders.
>
> Oh good. Maybe my total lack of ever pur
Reminds me of:
http://dilbert.com/strip/2000-08-31
At 12:27 PM 06/06/2015, Dave Taht wrote:
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Brandon Ross wrote:
> I also concur. There is most certainly a
negative correlation between certs
> and clue in my experience, having met 10s of certificate holders.
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Brandon Ross wrote:
> I also concur. There is most certainly a negative correlation between certs
> and clue in my experience, having met 10s of certificate holders.
Oh good. Maybe my total lack of ever pursuing one of these things is actually
a qualification of s
Sort of back-tracking on the OP JD - is one to derive from the posting and
requirements for the job(s) that:
1. the need arises because of the eBay - PayPal split?
2. is PayPal leaving with the openstack [need for] expertise and associated
IaaS parts (http://www.openstack.org/user-stories/paypal/)
I also concur. There is most certainly a negative correlation between
certs and clue in my experience, having met 10s of certificate holders.
Long ago when the MCSE was more popular, I actually started putting "MCSE
need not apply" on job postings because everyone I interviewed that had
one w
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 8:33 AM, tvest wrote:
> You are such an optimist ;-)
>
> Sometimes those who can remember the past get to repeat it anyway.
>
I remember seeing a slide deck for devs saying all new web apps are
recreating mail, write, wall, and finger (the person posted it on FB,
so of cour
On 06/06/2015 03:32 AM, jim deleskie wrote:
I remember you asking me who Jon was:) I have since added to my list of
interview questions... sad but the number of people with clue is declining
not increasing.
It's not a question of clue, but of history. How many CS grads are
exposed to the de
You are such an optimist ;-)
Sometimes those who can remember the past get to repeat it anyway.
TV
On June 6, 2015 6:53:20 AM EDT, Dorian Kim wrote:
>"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”
>
>
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”
-Santayana
Quite relevant in our industry that seems be more hell bent on rehashing ideas
and plot lines than Hollywood.
-dorian
> On Jun 6, 2015, at
My first thought on reading that was "who the hell cares if a person
knows about internet culture". But than I had to reconsider - it's a
very apt way of telling if someone read the right books :)
I would also add Ritchie, Thompson, and Diffie to that list (since you
ask about Larry, it's only app
I remember you asking me who Jon was :) I have since added to my list of
interview questions... sad but the number of people with clue is declining
not increasing.
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 3:13 AM, Joe Hamelin wrote:
> Back in 2000 at Amazon, HR somehow decided to have me do the phone
> intervie
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 9:57 PM, James Laszko wrote:
> I asked one of my guys to tracert in windows for something and he executed
> pathping. I have never seen that in 25 years Go figure!
>
Yep, I learned something new (though IDK I'll ever use it - I'm
guessing it's useless trivia, esp sin
--- j...@nethead.com wrote:
From: Joe Hamelin
Back in 2000 at Amazon, HR somehow decided to have me do the phone
interviews for neteng. I'd go through questions on routing and what not,
then at the end I would ask questions like, "Who was Jon Postel? Who is
Larry Wall? Who is Paul Vixie? Wha
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Elmar K. Bins wrote:
> eyeronic.des...@gmail.com (Mike Hale) wrote:
>
> > We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute.
>
> None of course!
No, they read the man page, of course!
--
Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, 360-474-7474
>
>
Back in 2000 at Amazon, HR somehow decided to have me do the phone
interviews for neteng. I'd go through questions on routing and what not,
then at the end I would ask questions like, "Who was Jon Postel? Who is
Larry Wall? Who is Paul Vixie? What are layers 8 & 9? Explain the RTFM
protocol. Wh
eyeronic.des...@gmail.com (Mike Hale) wrote:
> We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute.
None of course!
quot;
> Cc: "NANOG Operators' Group"
> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 9:57:38 PM
> Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
>
> I asked one of my guys to tracert in windows for something and he executed
> pathping. I have never seen that in 25 years G
-
It became a tongue-in-cheek interview question. What
was boggling was the number of *IE's that failed trying
to explain traceroute's mechanics.
One thing I have done in the past is encourage the person
to succeed at th
whois traceroute …
manning
On 5June2015Friday, at 18:38, Mike Hale wrote:
> We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute.
>
>
On 06/05/2015 06:38 PM, Mike Hale wrote:
We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute.
I didn't google traceroute. Didn't need to. Instead, I drew on the
knowledge I gained when Clifford and I wrote _Linux IP Stacks
Commentary_. Unfortunately, the Steven's books are
I asked one of my guys to tracert in windows for something and he executed
pathping. I have never seen that in 25 years Go figure!
James Laszko
Mythos Technology Inc
jam...@mythostech.com
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 5, 2015, at 18:40, Mike Hale wrote:
>
> We need a pool on what percen
Based on the number of "certified" people I've interviewed over the last
20yr, my default view lines up with Jared's 100%
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Mike Hale
wrote:
> We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute.
> On Jun 5, 2015 6:28 PM, wrote:
>
> > On 5 Jun 201
We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute.
On Jun 5, 2015 6:28 PM, wrote:
> On 5 Jun 2015, at 17:45, Łukasz Bromirski wrote:
>
> On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer wrote:
Head of line for CCIE
It's been over a decade since I was an active participant on NANOG. I
didn't know that the NANOG-JOBS list existed. Sometimes it's easier to ask
for forgiveness than permission though. I guess it's a good thing Susan H.
isn't here to throw me in NANOG jail, huh?
John Fraizer
--Sent from my Androi
On 5 Jun 2015, at 17:45, Łukasz Bromirski wrote:
On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch wrote:
On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer wrote:
Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a
piece
of paper every time!
Can you please put these at the back of the line?
we're allowed to recruit on nanog?...
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 4:19 PM John Fraizer wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> eBay is looking for folks to join our Site Network Engineering team. eBay
> Site Network Engineering is responsible for the eBay SITE network from ToR
> to Peering Edge. You won't be bored
Folks,
It's just a piece of paper in my opinion. A person either knows their
stuff or they don't. Less than 5min on a phone screen and I will know if
they "bought" their certification(s) or earned them. Sadly, I've spoken to
far too many who give some validation to Jared's comment. I'm wonderin
> On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch wrote:
>
>
>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer wrote:
>>
>> Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a piece
>> of paper every time!
>
> Can you please put these at the back of the line? My experience is that
> the cis
On Fri, 5 Jun 2015, Scott Weeks wrote:
--- j...@op-sec.us wrote:
From: John Fraizer
Bonus points if you can
tell me about IPv8. (The old guard will get that joke.)
Long live Jim! U...Never mind...
Who? Get off my stargate. :)
:0
* ^From:.*(jfl
> On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer wrote:
>
> Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a piece
> of paper every time!
Can you please put these at the back of the line? My experience is that
the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of actual
--- j...@op-sec.us wrote:
From: John Fraizer
Bonus points if you can
tell me about IPv8. (The old guard will get that joke.)
Long live Jim! U...Never mind...
:-)
scott
Please use below mailing list for job posting
http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs
Mehmet
> On Jun 5, 2015, at 19:13, John Fraizer wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> eBay is looking for folks to join our Site Network Engineering team. eBay
> Site Network Engineering is responsible for the
Hello All,
eBay is looking for folks to join our Site Network Engineering team. eBay
Site Network Engineering is responsible for the eBay SITE network from ToR
to Peering Edge. You won't be bored. You will be challenged. You will
have fun!
This position is located in San Jose, California @ eBa
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