Sort of back-tracking on the OP JD - is one to derive from the posting and requirements for the job(s) that:
1. the need arises because of the eBay - PayPal split? 2. is PayPal leaving with the openstack [need for] expertise and associated IaaS parts (http://www.openstack.org/user-stories/paypal/), while eBay is keeping a more traditional infra setup? Stefan On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Brandon Ross <br...@pobox.com> wrote: > I also concur. There is most certainly a negative correlation between > certs and clue in my experience, having met 10s of certificate holders. > > Long ago when the MCSE was more popular, I actually started putting "MCSE > need not apply" on job postings because everyone I interviewed that had one > was not just clue challenged, but had negative clue. > > > On Fri, 5 Jun 2015, jim deleskie wrote: > > Based on the number of "certified" people I've interviewed over the last >> 20yr, my default view lines up with Jared's 100% >> >> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.des...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute. >>> On Jun 5, 2015 6:28 PM, <na...@cdl.asgaard.org> wrote: >>> >>> On 5 Jun 2015, at 17:45, Łukasz Bromirski wrote: >>>> >>>> On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <ja...@puck.nether.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <j...@op-sec.us> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a >>>>>>> piece >>>>>>> of paper every time! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Can you please put these at the back of the line? My experience is >>>>>> >>>>> that >>> >>>> the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of actual >>>>>> troubleshooting skills. (or my standards of what defines “expert” are >>>>>> different than the rest of the world). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Jared, don’t generalize. >>>>> >>>>> True - there are people that are ‘paper’ CCIE/JNCIEs - but let’s not >>>>> start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them >>>>> didn’t know a jack. About troubleshooting. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> 't >>>> >>>> We had one CCIE at a previous job who just didn't "click" no matter how >>>> much we tried to train on the architecture. Eventually in one backbone >>>> event, he kept saying that the problem couldn't be with a given router >>>> because "traceroute worked." When it was pointed out that the potential >>>> fault wouldn't cause traceroute to fail, we got a very puzzled look. We >>>> then asked him to explain how traceroute worked. He spectacularly >>>> >>> failed. >>> >>>> >>>> It became a tongue-in-cheek interview question. What was boggling was >>>> >>> the >>> >>>> number of *IE's that failed trying to explain traceroute's mechanics. >>>> >>>> My test, as crass as it is. If your CV headlines with a JCIE/CCIE, I am >>>> pretty certain that you have very little real-world experience. If it's >>>> >>> a >>> >>>> footnote somewhere, that's ok. >>>> >>>> Christopher >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> — >>>>> CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17 >>>>> (not that I’d know anything about troubleshooting of course) >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> 李柯睿 >>>> Avt tace, avt loqvere meliora silentio >>>> Check my PGP key here: http://www.asgaard.org/cdl/cdl.asc >>>> Current vCard here: http://www.asgaard.org/cdl/cdl.vcf >>>> keybase: https://keybase.io/liljenstolpe >>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- > Brandon Ross Yahoo & AIM: > BrandonNRoss > +1-404-635-6667 ICQ: > 2269442 > Skype: > brandonross > Schedule a meeting: http://www.doodle.com/bross >
