$employers don't help in this regard either by requiring said certs. Such requirements; IMO, lead to folks preparing/passing such tests just for $day_job only without any real desire to understand how things-actually-work&why.
----- Original Message ----- From: John Fraizer <j...@op-sec.us> To: Łukasz Bromirski <luk...@bromirski.net> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 5:55 PM Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies... Folks, It's just a piece of paper in my opinion. A person either knows their stuff or they don't. Less than 5min on a phone screen and I will know if they "bought" their certification(s) or earned them. Sadly, I've spoken to far too many who give some validation to Jared's comment. I'm wondering how many proctors have been paid off or if people are buying fake id's for smart people and paying them to sit for the tests posing as them. John Fraizer --Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse any typos. On Jun 5, 2015 5:45 PM, "Łukasz Bromirski" <luk...@bromirski.net> wrote: > > > On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <ja...@puck.nether.net> wrote: > > > > > >> On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <j...@op-sec.us> wrote: > >> > >> Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a > piece > >> of paper every time! > > > > Can you please put these at the back of the line? My experience is that > > the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of actual > > troubleshooting skills. (or my standards of what defines “expert” are > > different than the rest of the world). > > Jared, don’t generalize. > > True - there are people that are ‘paper’ CCIE/JNCIEs - but let’s not > start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them > didn’t know a jack. About troubleshooting. > > — > CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17 > (not that I’d know anything about troubleshooting of course)
