i’ll never make it past the telephone screen…. manning bmann...@karoshi.com PO Box 12317 Marina del Rey, CA 90295 310.322.8102
On 6June2015Saturday, at 19:17, John Fraizer <j...@op-sec.us> wrote: > Just to be clear, CERTS are NOT a requirement for these positions. They > will head-of-line someone for a phone screen. THAT IS ALL! And if you've > got a cert, you had better know your stuff because if your cert says you're > an EXPERT. I'm gonna expect you to be one! > > John Fraizer > --Sent from my Android phone. > Please excuse any typos. > On Jun 6, 2015 5:50 PM, "Randy" <randy_94...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> $employers don't help in this regard either by requiring said certs. Such >> requirements; IMO, lead to folks preparing/passing such tests just for >> $day_job only without any real desire to understand how >> things-actually-work&why. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: John Fraizer <j...@op-sec.us> >> To: Łukasz Bromirski <luk...@bromirski.net> >> Cc: nanog@nanog.org >> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 5:55 PM >> Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies... >> >> Folks, >> >> It's just a piece of paper in my opinion. A person either knows their >> stuff or they don't. Less than 5min on a phone screen and I will know if >> they "bought" their certification(s) or earned them. Sadly, I've spoken to >> far too many who give some validation to Jared's comment. I'm wondering how >> many proctors have been paid off or if people are buying fake id's for >> smart people and paying them to sit for the tests posing as them. >> >> John Fraizer >> --Sent from my Android phone. >> Please excuse any typos. >> On Jun 5, 2015 5:45 PM, "Łukasz Bromirski" <luk...@bromirski.net> wrote: >> >>> >>>> On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <ja...@puck.nether.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <j...@op-sec.us> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a >>> piece >>>>> of paper every time! >>>> >>>> Can you please put these at the back of the line? My experience is >> that >>>> the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of actual >>>> troubleshooting skills. (or my standards of what defines “expert” are >>>> different than the rest of the world). >>> >>> Jared, don’t generalize. >>> >>> True - there are people that are ‘paper’ CCIE/JNCIEs - but let’s not >>> start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them >>> didn’t know a jack. About troubleshooting. >>> >>> — >>> CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17 >>> (not that I’d know anything about troubleshooting of course) >>
