Based on the number of "certified" people I've interviewed over the last 20yr, my default view lines up with Jared's 100%
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.des...@gmail.com> wrote: > We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute. > On Jun 5, 2015 6:28 PM, <na...@cdl.asgaard.org> wrote: > > > On 5 Jun 2015, at 17:45, Łukasz Bromirski wrote: > > > > On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <ja...@puck.nether.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <j...@op-sec.us> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a > >>>> piece > >>>> of paper every time! > >>>> > >>> > >>> Can you please put these at the back of the line? My experience is > that > >>> the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of actual > >>> troubleshooting skills. (or my standards of what defines “expert” are > >>> different than the rest of the world). > >>> > >> > >> Jared, don’t generalize. > >> > >> True - there are people that are ‘paper’ CCIE/JNCIEs - but let’s not > >> start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them > >> didn’t know a jack. About troubleshooting. > >> > > > > 't > > > > We had one CCIE at a previous job who just didn't "click" no matter how > > much we tried to train on the architecture. Eventually in one backbone > > event, he kept saying that the problem couldn't be with a given router > > because "traceroute worked." When it was pointed out that the potential > > fault wouldn't cause traceroute to fail, we got a very puzzled look. We > > then asked him to explain how traceroute worked. He spectacularly > failed. > > > > It became a tongue-in-cheek interview question. What was boggling was > the > > number of *IE's that failed trying to explain traceroute's mechanics. > > > > My test, as crass as it is. If your CV headlines with a JCIE/CCIE, I am > > pretty certain that you have very little real-world experience. If it's > a > > footnote somewhere, that's ok. > > > > Christopher > > > > > > > >> — > >> CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17 > >> (not that I’d know anything about troubleshooting of course) > >> > > > > > > -- > > 李柯睿 > > Avt tace, avt loqvere meliora silentio > > Check my PGP key here: http://www.asgaard.org/cdl/cdl.asc > > Current vCard here: http://www.asgaard.org/cdl/cdl.vcf > > keybase: https://keybase.io/liljenstolpe > > >
