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Re: ARIN RPKI Trust Anchor Issue

Dear Job, > I analysed the alert, here is my assessment. Thanks a lot for the analysis. I had also received the alert (Randy Bush and others as well, see "Subject: TA Malfunction??" thread :-) and was wondering... your analysis makes sense as far as I can judge (which is not very far). [...] >

Re: TA Malfunction??

ll fallback to a not-found and not an > invalid state when validators are queried, and routes with a not-found > state shouldn't be filtered so they may see it as not a critical issue > preventing routing. > > Regards, > Christopher Hawker > > ----

Re: Does Akamai have a geolocation "security" product, if so any contacts for that?

I replied offlist to Mr Weaver.

Re: Layer 2 Transport

Identify L2 control protocols which will require transparent tunneling end to end before making a decision on underlay tech. Beware of multiple vendor handoffs / NNIs under the hood of any solution, but especially an "oMPLS" solution. ____ From: NANOG on

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*Keynote: Q&A With Network Automation Forum Co-Founder, Scott Robohn* *Robohn will Present “Building Community Around Network Automation.”* NANOG caught up with Scott to dive deeper into his passion for fostering a community around network automation, the importance of collaboration, lear

Re: TCP torture testing

In my lab work, I use Ostinato to craft (a) packet streams and (b) sequences of packet streams. Ostinato is stateless, so you'll have to co-ordinate the 3-way handshake yourself to open the connection. That is: you'd have to send the SYN segment (segment 1) from Ostinato, investigate the SN sent b

Looking for Peering Contact at AS16509

Hi, I'm trying to connect with someone responsible for managing peering relations in EU for AS16509 (Amazon). Unfortunately, several attempts to reach them via the address on peeringdb (peering-e...@amazon.com) have been unanswered. Greatly appreciate if an appropriate contact could kindly r

Re: AT&t ABF NYC

m Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com From: "Robert DeVita" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2025 8:05:57 AM Subject: AT&t ABF NYC FYI. AT&T is discontinuing their ABF service in New York. What's Happening with Existing ABF Customers in NY AT&T Busi

Re: Seeking AS36351 Softlayer Contact

Thanks, all. Jan 16, 2025 at 2:56 PM by nanog@nanog.org: > Seeking AS36351 Softlayer contact > > -Aaron >

Re: US executive order forces all US goverment resoruces to be with ARIN/etc?

25 at 12:09 PM Ben Cartwright-Cox via NANOG < > nanog@nanog.org> wrote: > >> Still reading this very word dense executive order that came out recently: >> >> >> https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2025/01/16/executive-order-on-strengthening

Seeking AS36351 Softlayer Contact

Seeking AS36351 Softlayer contact -Aaron

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US executive order forces all US goverment resoruces to be with ARIN/etc?

Still reading this very word dense executive order that came out recently: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2025/01/16/executive-order-on-strengthening-and-promoting-innovation-in-the-nations-cybersecurity/ I did notice however that it has: > (i)Within 90 days of

Re: CAIDA AS Rank

I contacted them last month, they are aware of the problem and they are working on it. If you are looking only for the the ranking we have a copy of it here: https://ihr.iijlab.net/ihr/en/rank/CAIDA%20ASRank?display=[0] Romain From: NANOG on behalf of

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Re: Level3 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 not responding to pings, DNS queries work

Dan’s not here, man! But I’m glad to spread the word so it can help more people in their troubleshoot efforts. -T > On Jan 13, 2025, at 10:48, Mel Beckman wrote: > > Dan, > > That dig tip for identifying the NS phy loc is very nice! That's something I > can put in our support procedures for

Re: Level3 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 not responding to pings, DNS queries work

tes of data. --- 4.2.2.4 ping statistics --- 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1.810/1.810/1.810/0.000 ms "pubntp2.wdc12" PING 4.2.2.5 (4.2.2.5) 56(84) bytes of data. --- 4.2.2.5 ping statistics --- 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0%

Re: CAIDA AS Rank

got error. > > > -- Original message -- > > From: Mike Hammett > To: NANOG list > Subject: CAIDA AS Rank > Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 19:33:36 -0600 (CST) > > Is it broken for anyone else? > > > https://asrank.caida.org/asns > > > > >

Re: BFD vs network brownouts

Thanks for the feedback, Jason, Saku, Tore, Tom, and Alex. Agreed that trying to effectively brute force (mis)use of BFD as I described is misdirected. To some degree I'm trying to reinforce a "why this doesn't work" argument internally as part of a larger narrative. Thanks specifically to Ja

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Re: ACX6360-OX Question

I second the method Jared is suggesting, go hop-by-hop, check light levels, and make use of loopback modes to establish which partial sections may be working already. (If any loopback is available, I don't know your platform specifically) On 08.01.2025 22:19, Jared Mauch wrote: make s

BFD vs network brownouts

Hi, all. BFD is well known for what it brings to the table for improving link failure detection; however, even at a reasonably athletic 300ms Control rate, you're not going to catch a significant percentage of brownout situations where you have packet loss but not a full outage. I'm trying to:

Comcast looking glass router

Hi, hoping someone here from Comcast can help me. I need to be able to login Comcast Looking Glass router in NY to check on some route advertising but the username and password that was previously working for the LG no longer seems to work. Host: route-server.newyork.ny.ibone.comcast.net Us

Re: Per-U colocation?

On 1/2/25 07:33, Alex Buie wrote: Curious about strategy here - any continental mid-sized ISPs do similar with a small footprint in the main building but the majority of their footprint offsite? We have done this before and as a Engineer the answer is: it depends. If you many many many ra

Re: Spectrum Carrier Team

same on the non-voice side of the house. -Original Message- From: "Josh Luthman" Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2024 1:19pm To: "Dennis Burgess - LTI Support" Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" Subject: Re: Spectrum Carrier Team Spectrum has a carrier escalations flow

Spectrum Carrier Team

Looking for someone at Spectrum to help with a ticket. ECT-83933060 no one is picking up the ticket ☹ [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess MikroTik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise

RE: MPLS and Carrier Ethernet, Oh My!

The average subscriber consumes 1.5Mbps in a busy hour (even for the GE access). 100GE is 60k subscribers. Many access regions just do not have enough subscribers to justify 100GE. Some regions have. Ed/ From: NANOG On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, December 27, 2024 05:35 To: NANOG

Re: MPLS and Carrier Ethernet, Oh My!

I’m thinking there is not a a wide market for them, not to mention last mile support. Folks that need 100 or 400 ports typically want point to point and at that juncture, wavelength or IPoDWDM makes sense as more than likely these are going between data centers and not to your average enterprise pr

Re: Distributed Router Fabrics

7; and how they're deploying X for 400g now, etc. Shawn -Original Message- From: "Mike Hammett" Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2024 2:38pm To: "Saku Ytti" Cc: "NANOG" Subject: Re: Distributed Router Fabrics "what benefits is OP seeing here

RE: Distributed Router Fabrics

mises, typically oversubscription) to downgrade multi-mode pluggable to copper pluggable. Then claim it as a big achievement. The money is there. PS: I agree (with Tom) that the feature list is important even for the pizza box. Eduard From: NANOG On Behalf Of Tom Beecher Sent: Tuesday, Decemb

Re: Best way to have redundancy announcing on separate routers

: Tony, "The NANOG Mailing List is a community-moderated forum, open to all. Established in 1994 to provide the open exchange of technical information, it provides the opportunity for lively discussions of specific implementation challenges that require cooperation among network service prov

Re: Distributed Router Fabrics

Any-to-any connectivity is an O(x^2) (quadratic) problem. When you build a fabric, you can add new pizza-boxes in a linear fashion as long as the existing boxes have spare ports to plug in the new boxes. As soon as the spare ports run out, the quadratic hits. Then the choices are either: * Re

Re: New home builders without wires

That seems about right -- $70k per mile for main-line in a relatively rural area is what we're looking at right now. Depends on a lot of things (directional boring vs direct plow, etc). -Original Message- From: "Justin Streiner" Sent: Friday, December 20, 2024 4:45pm

Re: AS36351 - IBM Cloud Contact

I just realized that in my previous message I flipped 2 numbers in the AS. I'm looking for a contact for AS36351 (not 35361). Kind Regards, Richard From: Richard Desjardine Sent: December 20, 2024 09:22 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: AS36351 - IBM

AS35361 - IBM Cloud Contact

Good day, We have 45.59.96.0/22 that can not reach destinations on the IBM Cloud - AS35361. I have shifted our routing around to validate that regardless of which of our upsteam transit providers we send the traffic on it always fails when it reaches their edge which is through Torix for us du

Re: [nanog] abuse of abuse notices

It's not a new vector, but it's not super common either. I wrote about it back in August of 2022, Hetzner's automated abuse system was being used as a denial of service vector, as the malicious actor just spoofed the victim IP(s) toward their network, and the abuse reports were automatically sen

Web.com support

I just had a customer transfer a domain from Web.com to NameCheap.com . The domain just released today and web.com deleted all DNS records, so I’m unable to log into NameCheap to change DNS because they use email 2FA. I called into Na

Re: [nanog] abuse of abuse notices

There was also the attack on the Tor network a few months ago. In that case I spoke to the "security" company that was sending the abuse notices to my provider - and they confirmed that they know the notices are bullshit, they acknowledge that if they cause financial losses I might be able to w

Re: MACSEC

Quite a bit I’d say, particularly in WAN. It’s an easy and excellent go-to for line rate encryption along waves and some transparent layer 2 services state they support it but haven’t had an opportunity to test personally. Double check the implementation for continuation of rolling keys and so fort

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DisneyPlus CroudFront

Greetings everyone, Anyone from Disney+ on here that can help me with a blocked IP? Going through the traditional channels is not getting anywhere. Thanks, ME

Re: Need Centurylink contact for serious ongoing issue

The state PSC would be my vote, they reach out asap on complaints from what I’ve seen locally here in LA. From: NANOG on behalf of Mike Hammett Date: Thursday, December 12, 2024 at 9:58 AM To: John Neiberger Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Need Centurylink contact for serious ongoing issue

Re: Need Centurylink contact for serious ongoing issue

+1 to contacting your local public service commission. _No_ provider wants them to pass along a complaint. When that happens, things get fixed quickly. -Original Message- From: "Josh Luthman" Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2024 10:36am To: "John Neiberger" Cc: &

Re: COLO space in EU

If I remember my company's latest Frankfurt contract, that was a few 100€ for the racks but 10s of thousands € yearly for the energy (~7kw per rack) To me, today, datacenter colo business is just reselling energy. Am 12.12.24 um 10:55 schrieb Elmar K. Bins: nanog@nanog.org (Thomas Miesl

Re: COLO space in EU

.278€ per kWh is sort of a list price what they have to pay to the utility. On top of that they run 20kW cooling equipment and 20kW UPS. I have seen even higher prices in Frankfurt. Am 11.12.24 um 19:45 schrieb harbor235: Hi all, Looking for colo space in Amsterdam, is it common to have to pa

Re: COLO space in EU

a datacenter anymore) On 11-12-2024 23:50, Riley O via NANOG wrote: Yea, 0.15-30EUR is definitely higher than the US average, much higher than what we pay. Out here, colo spaces tend to charge ~1.5-2x the utility rate in the quote. Mainly to factor in cooling, depending on their PUE. Based

Re: COLO space in EU

sage -- > > From "Riley O" m32+na...@cubit.sh > > To "Aaron Wendel" aa...@wholesaleinternet.net > > Cc "Tony Wicks" t...@wicks.co.nz; "NANOG list" nanog@nanog.org > > Date 12/11/2024 3:22:27 PM > > Subject Re: Re[2]: C

Re: Re[2]: COLO space in EU

E017 B967 AC29 E321 On Wednesday, December 11th, 2024 at 12:40 PM, Aaron Wendel wrote: > Considering a full cabinet with 20kW in the US costs under $2k total I would > say so. > > Aaron > > > > -- Original Message -- > From "Tony Wicks" >

Re: COLO space in EU

Is there a reason why AMS (presumably the IXs)? You may find other NL DCs cheaper but still close enough to AMS for your needs. For example, in Rotterdam there has been more investment in the port's industrial grid infra, which may get you a cheaper rate for power. In any case, the rate you hav

Re: Route optimization using GPUs?

On Fri, Dec 06, 2024 at 10:55:30PM +, Ryan Hamel wrote: > That means (at least for Noction) the operator has to go out of their > way to disable safety, so those that claim it has bad defaults, may > want to RTFM. While I appreciate various business drivers and motivations exist to deploy sof

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Re: WSJ: Dozens of Countries Hit in Chinese Telecom Hacking Campaign, Top U.S. Official Says

to where it has been." -- Wayne Gretzky"I never lose. I either win or learn" - Nelson MandelaOn Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 9:58 AM Jason Iannone <jason.iann...@gmail.com> wrote:CNN mentioned Lumen. T-Mo?On Wed, Dec 4, 2024 at 5:22 PM J. Hellenthal via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:Fa

Re: Route optimization using GPUs?

Snijders > > https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2017-August/092131.html > > > From: NANOG on behalf of > Mike Hammett > Date: Thursday, December 5, 2024 at 12:24 PM > To: Jason Bothe > Cc: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: Re: Route optimization using GPUs?

Re: Route optimization using GPUs?

“I strongly recommend to turn off those BGP optimizers, glue the ports shut, burn the hardware, and salt the grounds on which the BGP optimizer sales people walked.” -Job Snijders https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2017-August/092131.html From: NANOG on behalf of Mike Hammett Date

Re: Route optimization using GPUs?

WIth merchant silicon getting faster and stronger everyday, and capacity and transit in a freewill, I’m not sure what GPU optimization would buy you, not to mention the ROI. The Internet routing table is not showing substantial signs of growth and in some cases has experienced a plateau. Also, t

Re: WSJ: Dozens of Countries Hit in Chinese Telecom Hacking Campaign, Top U.S. Official Says

Failing to find a list of providers that were hit. Anyone know more ? I don't see them mentioned. Verizon & AT&T I know of. -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume. > On Dec 4, 2024, at 14:59, Sean Don

Survey on the deployment and usage of Looking Glass (LG)

Dear all, We are a research team from Tsinghua University and ZGC Lab. We are conducting a survey on the current deployment and usage of Looking Glass (LG) servers. Our research aims to improve the user experience as well as prevent abuse of LG. If you manage a LG server in your network a

RE: New home builders without wires

One smart US guy wrote in the alias (around 2007) that wireless is about 7x more expensive per bit than wired, and there are no reasons to believe that it will ever change. The economy would prevail sooner or later. Ed/ -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Sean Donelan Sent

Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 at 14:29, Matt Corallo wrote: > On 11/18/24 5:11 AM, Niels Bakker wrote: > > * na...@as397444.net (Matt Corallo) [Sun 17 Nov 2024, 20:44 CET]: > >> Apologies if it came across as insulting, indeed I wasn't spending my > time reading IETF mailing > >> lists in the early 2010s :

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Re: Shaping the Future of ICP-2: Community Input Extended to December 2024

> On Nov 21, 2024, at 18:32, David Conrad wrote: > > Hi, > >>> A business has private or public shareholders or stockholders who once all >>> taxes have been deducted on the legal entity's annual revenue or bottomline >>> .. the stockholders then enjoys dividends through board resolutions.

Re: Shaping the Future of ICP-2: Community Input Extended to December 2024

I certainly understand the appeal of the expedient, but I still feel that such a change to ICP-2 should require the same rigors as a new document in order to have legitimacy, thus, if this is an effort to short cut that process, it feels wrong to me. Others may well have different opinions, but

Re: Small / Rural ISP owners

game play in terms of who is victorious and have large market share. -Aaron Nov 22, 2024 at 9:56 AM by nanog@nanog.org: > I can tell you this was the  problem Subspace was trying to resolve, but then > went out of business. > > Specifically, Subspace wasn’t focused on caching video

Re: 2 undersea cables cut

Below article outlines cases of sabotage (page 81) in 2007 in Bangladesh, 2010 in the Philippines, and attempted sabotage in 2013 in Egypt. I'm not sure Nord Stream qualifies since the cable itself wasn't directly targeted. Arguing about if it was sabotage or not isn't really helpful until authorit

Re: Small / Rural ISP owners

I can tell you this was the  problem Subspace was trying to resolve, but then went out of business. Specifically, Subspace wasn’t focused on caching video game updates and distributing those better, but rather building a network for clients to access game servers with lower rtt for a more optim

Re: Shaping the Future of ICP-2: Community Input Extended to December 2024

Hi, >> A business has private or public shareholders or stockholders who once all >> taxes have been deducted on the legal entity's annual revenue or bottomline >> .. the stockholders then enjoys dividends through board resolutions. > You have described one structure of a corporation, but the de

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Re: Shaping the Future of ICP-2: Community Input Extended to December 2024

I personally think this entire process is the wrong answer to a semi right question. Contrary to popular illusion, ICP-2 is about the criteria by which ICANN can accept a new RIR into the system. In my opinion, there’s no need for significant improvement in that process. The critical oversight that

Re: Shaping the Future of ICP-2: Community Input Extended to December 2024

On Nov 19, 2024, at 13:35, Noah wrote:On Wed, 20 Nov 2024, 00:16 William Herrin, wrote:On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 12:36 PM Noah wrote: > On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, 22:44 Owen DeLong, wrote: >> They really aren’t. Contrary to the theories you keep pushing

Re: Shaping the Future of ICP-2: Community Input Extended to December 2024

On Nov 19, 2024, at 13:12, Noah wrote:On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, 22:50 Owen DeLong, wrote:The RIRs each have a geographic monopoly and at their creation, this is required by ICP-2 (the original). This has nothing to do with where you land on any of your subsequent questions. Are the E

Re: Shaping the Future of ICP-2: Community Input Extended to December 2024

: > On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 12:39 PM Noah <n...@neo.co.tz> wrote: > > On Sun, 17 Nov 2024, 22:06 David Conrad via NANOG, <nanog@nanog.org> wrote: > >> > 2. I'm not convinced that the service regions should be limited by the ICP to non-overlapping geographic territor

Re: Technical contact for Verizon (not Fios) before we unplug a service router

On 20/11/24 2:43 am, sro...@ronan-online.com wrote: Having worked at Verizon, I can tell you in my experience this is the ONLY expeditious way to resolve the issue. The “correct” process drags on forever as the request (once it’s even properly received), bounces between departments before it ev

Internal Server Error @ mailman.nanog.org

I am unable to login to the mailman web interface & manage my subscription options @ https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog. I get the below Internal Server Error 500 response: Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unabl

Re: Shaping the Future of ICP-2: Community Input Extended to December 2024

Nov 17, 2024 at 12:39 PM Noah <n...@neo.co.tz> wrote: > On Sun, 17 Nov 2024, 22:06 David Conrad via NANOG, <nanog@nanog.org> wrote: >> > 2. I'm not convinced that the service regions should be limited by the ICP to non-overlapping geographic territories. >> >>

Re: Shaping the Future of ICP-2: Community Input Extended to December 2024

On Nov 18, 2024, at 13:11, Noah wrote:On Mon, 18 Nov 2024, 22:33 heasley, <h...@shrubbery.net> wrote:Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 12:48:04PM -0800, William Herrin: > On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 12:39 PM Noah <n...@neo.co.tz> wrote: > > On Sun, 17 Nov 2024, 22:06 David Conrad via NA

Re: Shaping the Future of ICP-2: Community Input Extended to December 2024

coordination-policy-2/proposed-icp-2-version-2-principles/ Two thoughts: 1. The proposed principles fail to speak to one of the issues debated on NANOG this week, specifically jurisdictional resistance to political sanction. It seems to me that an RIR should be expected to locate itself in a le

RE: Shaping the Future of ICP-2: Community Input Extended to December 2024

- From: David Conrad Sent: Monday, November 18, 2024 6:52 PM To: Howard, Lee Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: Shaping the Future of ICP-2: Community Input Extended to December 2024 Hi Lee, On Nov 18, 2024, at 2:46 PM, Howard, Lee via NANOG wrote: > In the same way that phone numbers or radio freque

AS35361 Contact

Good day, If there is anyone out there from AS35361 that could help me with a routing issue between 45.59.96.0/22 and AS36351 via Torix please contact me off list. Thank you, Richard [cid:2b592541-7b68-4ffd-a2d6-75608244a346]

Re: Shaping the Future of ICP-2: Community Input Extended to December 2024

Hi Lee, On Nov 18, 2024, at 2:46 PM, Howard, Lee via NANOG wrote: > In the same way that phone numbers or radio frequencies are allocated by > geographical monopolies, yes. > Except that the RIRs are *much* more open to participation. And except that telephone numbers and radio freque

RE: Shaping the Future of ICP-2: Community Input Extended to December 2024

operational and technical content only, as described by the NANOG Bylaws. 8. Posts of a political, philosophical, or legal nature are prohibited. We may be off topic. Lee -Original Message- From: William Herrin Sent: Monday, November 18, 2024 5:57 PM To: Howard, Lee Cc: NANOG Subjec

Re: Shaping the Future of ICP-2: Community Input Extended to December 2024

Hi Noah, On Nov 18, 2024, at 1:07 PM, Noah wrote: > Are we trying to imply that the RIR's are a geographic monopoly? Not implying, simply stating a fact. This has been the case explicitly since the RIRs were established. See RFC 1366, section 2.0, 2nd paragraph or, if you prefer, ICP-2, Princi

RE: Shaping the Future of ICP-2: Community Input Extended to December 2024

e you trying to solve? Lee -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of William Herrin Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2024 3:48 PM To: Noah Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: Shaping the Future of ICP-2: Community Input Extended to December 2024 This message is from an EXTERNAL SENDER - be CAU

Re: Soooo..... Netflix

> Something that would be interesting to see (particularly if someone has eyes > in Comcast’s network) is to see how customers in areas where L4S trials are > happening faired in comparison to others. The sample area of the deployment is still to small from which to draw conclusions (~20K homes

Re: Soooo..... Netflix

> My experience over a home internet fiber connection wasn’t great (like > everyone else’s) but my son was watching it over his mobile device without > any issues. That may be an interesting data point – because mobile networks typically rate-shape video streams. JL

Re: Soooo..... Netflix

> Yeah, normally I hold them up as the poster child for a scalable CDN but I’m > hoping they release an RCA explaining what happened. I guess for then it was the difference between pre-recorded content they are used to, vs a live event. I wonder what the latency between live and the stream look

RE: Soooo..... Netflix

This email may contain proprietary information of BAE Systems and/or third parties. My experience over a home internet fiber connection wasn’t great (like everyone else’s) but my son was watching it over his mobile device without any issues. From: NANOG On Behalf Of Tom Beecher Sent: Monday

RE: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

ernet, like you or not. Fighting in all arenas/spaces was advice from all the biggest war theoretics (Clausewitz, Sun Tzu, etc). Ed/ From: NANOG On Behalf Of Alex Sent: Friday, November 15, 2024 21:00 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology On

RE: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

++ From: NANOG On Behalf Of Alex Sent: Friday, November 15, 2024 03:46 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology Haven't we seen this pattern enough times? 1. some organization maintains some database with some data 2. someone asks wh

Does anyone else have experience with netskrt.io

Hey nanog,Does anyone have experience with netskrt.io? Just curious about other people's experience!Regards,J

Re: Shaping the Future of ICP-2: Community Input Extended to December 2024

Bill, On Nov 16, 2024, at 10:00 PM, William Herrin wrote: > It seems to me that an RIR should be expected to locate itself in a legal > jurisdiction where they're unlikely to be ordered to alter service that is > within their territory but outside of that legal jurisdiction. Depending on what

Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

Tom, On Nov 15, 2024, at 9:11 AM, Tom Beecher wrote: > However, I think it's an overblown concern. If a government entity has the > courts in their pocket to force an RIR to do a thing, they have the power to > do abou 10 other much easier things that would actually prevent full access > to th

Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

The great innovation of blockchain is that once a Bitcoin is transferred, the previous owner can’t take it back. A distinguishing feature of RPKI is that the issuer of the EE certificate can revoke it to take back ownership of the IP address. Imagine if stale entries in the IRR could not be clean

Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

22, David Conrad via NANOG wrote: Tom, Something I’ve been curious about for some time: since deployment of RPKI is (mostly) hosted by the RIRs and ultimately, the RIRs control the validation chain, what would happen if the RIR creates (or, if you prefer, is directed by court order to create) INVALIDs?

Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

Tom, Something I’ve been curious about for some time: since deployment of RPKI is (mostly) hosted by the RIRs and ultimately, the RIRs control the validation chain, what would happen if the RIR creates (or, if you prefer, is directed by court order to create) INVALIDs? Regards, -drc > On Nov

Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

> If it's technically feasible to override or roll back transactions, you've violated one of the central tenets of block chain. To be clear, I did not state such. Ownership can be transferred by smart contract. This does not violate a core tenet of blockchains and is a key feature of almost all

Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

reas > cryptocurrency does not have this issue. > >> Also, please don't cross-post discussions to two lists. It's against > the rules for NANOG and I presume it's against the rules for MANRS as > well. > > Noticed that; sorry for posting twice as well. >

Re: Implementing Decentralized RPKI with Blockchain Technology

In such a scenario I’d argue for less automation to prevent such a rogue RIR from being able to cause such a disruption to the Internet. To expand on what Tom mentioned, Networks are not yet rejecting announcements with a NotFound validation. Even if such an event did occur I’d be willing to b

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Re: etiquette for replying to daily digests

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