Re: Doubt about license

2008-05-04 Thread Ray Percival
On May 4, 2008, at 1:14 AM, Pieter Verberne wrote: On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 03:38:13AM +0530, debian developer wrote: ["bsd vs. GPL"] Sorry for 'stealing' this thread but I'm not sure if I should make a new thread for this. I'm wondering what OpenBSD people think about BSD (-like) licenses

Re: The REAL reason we use OpenBSD

2008-03-15 Thread Ray Percival
On Mar 15, 2008, at 14:48, Genadijus Paleckis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://blog.anamazingmind.com/2008/03/real-reason-we-use-linux.html oh, and before you started to read, to be more comfortable just do s/ linux/openbsd/g Whoever wrote that needs to discover girls and/ boys and beer. I

Re: OT Re: OpenBSD and ISDN TA

2008-01-09 Thread Ray Percival
On Jan 9, 2008, at 14:24, Diana Eichert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Marco S Hyman wrote: Yeah, X.25 with a triple-X pad (X.3/X.28/X.29). a Yellow book version, none of that fancy new red or blue book stuff. It scares me that I remember such stuff. // marc Where a "trip

Re: OpenBSD and ISDN TA

2008-01-09 Thread Ray Percival
I think ISDN is one of those technologies a significant part of the OpenBSD population would be very happy to suppress any remaining memories of. I'm getting flashbacks just reading this. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-06 Thread Ray Percival
On Jan 6, 2008, at 22:54, "Roberto J. Dohnert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Quick question, do we really need an endorsement from Richard Stallman and the FSF for OpenBSD? Nobody involved in this thread wants this endorsement and it is not about getting him to change his mind. The point is

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-06 Thread Ray Percival
On Jan 6, 2008, at 20:02, "Tony Abernethy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: V. Karthik Kumar wrote: You see, rms? You were right. OpenBSD has lots of trolls who: Curious, the contents indicate this is addressed to RMS. The mail headers indicate otherwise. This is obviously by one of the trolls. Q

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-06 Thread Ray Percival
On Jan 6, 2008, at 9:20, "Karthik Kumar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 6, 2008 10:41 PM, Paul de Weerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 09:52:18PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: | > Perhaps you're *USING* these 4 files to install the adobe flash player | > on your machine (

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-06 Thread Ray Percival
On Jan 6, 2008, at 8:07, "Benoit Chesneau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 6, 2008 3:12 PM, V. Karthik Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Run make install on that directory (www/opera-flashplugin) and woohoo! so _you_ decided to install non-free software. The question is why . Nothing fo

Re: Suggested PF Setup when using BitTorrent?

2008-01-05 Thread Ray Percival
On Jan 5, 2008, at 17:15, "Joel Wiramu Pauling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The main annoyance I have had with bittorrent/p2p apps on openbsd is the relatively low file open limits. Pumping this is easy enough tho. rtorrent sorted that for me nicely. On 06/01/2008, Leonardo Rodrigues <[EM

Re: Richard Stallman...

2008-01-05 Thread Ray Percival
On Jan 5, 2008, at 9:53, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 08:47:16AM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:53:30AM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 05:49:42PM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: Why didn't you

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Ray Percival
On Jan 4, 2008, at 14:26, "Ted Unangst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jan 4, 2008 1:22 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Otherwise why should he repeatedly say some thin that is not proprietary as proprietary even after being informed by tedu and others? Because for me it

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Ray Percival
That is an OpenBSD site which has software, like for instance zangband, which is proprietary You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

2008-01-01 Thread Ray Percival
On Jan 1, 2008, at 6:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr Stallman i now see the dogged determination that has made you effective, He's not a doctor. In any sense of the word. Honorary degrees don't give you the right to use the title or to be called by it. --- Marina Brown Return-Path: <[

Re: ssh client in bsd.rd

2007-12-21 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 21, 2007, at 8:07, Mike Erdely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 07:50:03AM -0800, Ray Percival wrote: On Dec 21, 2007, at 7:34, Lars NoodC)n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The RAM-disk kernel (bsd.rd) seems to be missing an SSH client. Presumably that's

Re: ssh client in bsd.rd

2007-12-21 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 21, 2007, at 7:34, Lars NoodC)n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The RAM-disk kernel (bsd.rd) seems to be missing an SSH client. Presumably that's been left out on purpose. Is there any reason beside size that it is not included? Ask google about yaifo. Regards, -Lars

Re: Play Nice - Real men don't attack straw men (Theo)

2007-12-17 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 16, 2007, at 9:29 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: On Dec 15, 2007 10:56 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bengt Frost wrote: On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 12:31:25PM -0700, Darrb Finally as long as i do not hurt 'someone' (to mutch) then it must be u

Re: Play Nice - Real men don't attack straw men (Theo)

2007-12-16 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 16, 2007, at 5:52 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: Ray Percival wrote: You believe in absolute freedom - freedom to do whatever you damn well please. I really fail to see the problem with that but whatever. Yet you are seeking to deny the same freedom to Richard and everyone else that

Re: Play Nice - Real men don't attack straw men (Theo)

2007-12-16 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 16, 2007, at 6:27 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: William Boshuck wrote: On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 05:24:48PM -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: Ray Percival wrote: [quoting and excerpt from Theo's log message in (e.g.): http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/etc/Attic/ipf.

Re: Play Nice - Real men don't attack straw men (Theo)

2007-12-16 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 16, 2007, at 6:20 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: Marco Peereboom wrote: On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 05:24:48PM -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: That's fine, it is a statement of values and principals, that is exactly what I was looking for - something that is conspicuously absent from th

Re: Play Nice - Real men don't attack straw men (Theo)

2007-12-16 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 16, 2007, at 2:24 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: Ray Percival wrote: On Dec 16, 2007, at 11:58 AM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: Marco Peereboom wrote: You can use OpenBSD to build a baby mulcher or a nookyoular weapon and you have the choice to retain the source code. You can use the

Re: Play Nice - Real men don't attack straw men (Theo)

2007-12-16 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 16, 2007, at 11:58 AM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: Marco Peereboom wrote: You can use OpenBSD to build a baby mulcher or a nookyoular weapon and you have the choice to retain the source code. You can use the GPL to build a puppy blood drainer or a dirty bomb provided you deliver the sou

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-15 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 15, 2007, at 8:21 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: After reveiwing the OpenBSD Goals and Polices, it appears to me that the intent is that OpenBSD should be a free/Open Source system. But unless I am missing something that is not actually made clear. The polices page lists software lic

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-15 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 15, 2007, at 5:28 PM, Marc Balmer wrote: Richard Stallman wrote: For personal reasons, I do not browse the web from my computer. (I also have not net connection much of the time.) To look at page I send mail to a demon which runs wget and mails the page back to me. It is very efficien

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-14 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 14, 2007, at 5:44 AM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: Ray Percival wrote: On Dec 13, 2007, at 11:18 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: Just as an example most advertisers choose not to name their competition. Politicians go out of their way to elicit denials from their opponents, because

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-14 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 13, 2007, at 11:18 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: It is completely irrelevant to Stallman whether the OS he endorses is actually useful. In his world view, his definition of free trumps functional. It is always possible to improve the quality of something, it is may not be possible t

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-13 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 13, 2007, at 5:23 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: If you are unwilling to adopt policies consistent with his, accept that you are not getting his endorsement and shut this thread down. Nobody here asked for or WANTS his endorsement. He started the thread. We could give a shit

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-11 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 11, 2007, at 4:43 AM, Lars Noodin wrote: Marc Espie wrote: ... You've got a choice of: Or 4) not up on the OpenBSD projects goals and current licensing requirements Some of that is probably due to the low profile of OpenBSD (low- profile is good, though) and the yammering of the Fre

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-11 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 10, 2007, at 12:26 PM, Martin Schrvder wrote: 2007/12/10, Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: From what I have heard, OpenBSD does not contain non-free software (though I am not sure whether it contains any non-free firmware blobs). However, its ports system does suggest non-free prog

Re: About non-free software in OpenBSD

2007-12-10 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 10, 2007, at 2:14 AM, Reyk Floeter wrote: On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 08:27:33PM -0800, Ray Percival wrote: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (3B48b) Fancy X-Mailer, but isn't non-free and full of patents ;)? Yes, it is. Very much so. Also means I don't have to get off the couch when

Re: About non-free software in OpenBSD

2007-12-09 Thread Ray Percival
So, what Stallman seems to be saying is that preventing users from running the software they choose is more important than respecting patents. Slavery is freedom.

Re: Could Hiawatha replace Apache as in base HTTP server if it's license changed?

2007-12-07 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 7, 2007, at 9:41, "Eric Furman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:39:39 -0600, "Gregg Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: On 12/7/07, Andris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here is two messages from Hugo Leisink (Hiawatha developer). You'll First of all, you have to take a

Re: Dumb 486: Install From Hard Drive?

2007-12-01 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 1, 2007, at 4:10 PM, L wrote: yaifo.fs or pxe boot if the NICs in question support it. The docs for that are in the FAQ. I rather doubt your NICs do, the readme that you'll get when you grab the source explain how to do just what you want. http://erdelynet.com/?s=yaifo

Re: Helping with Softraid testing

2007-11-18 Thread Ray Percival
On Nov 18, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Siju George wrote: I know I cannot escape recompiling the kernel because it is necessary for updates. But as far as possible I would like to stay away from it on production machines :-) That's what releases are for. Thanks a million for all the detailed answer

Re: Any Ethereal, Wireshark related software in 4.2 ports?

2007-11-11 Thread Ray Percival
On Nov 11, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Barry Miller wrote: Of course, if a bad guy _does_ get control of wireshark, he OWNS your network, but at least you're not totally rooted. Take your chances. How so? Given that all it is a frontend to libpcap. And how does this not apply to tcpdump? --Barry

Re: OT: Re: Theo's new compiler and etiquette both in cyberspace and the 'real world'

2007-11-04 Thread Ray Percival
On Nov 4, 2007, at 7:36 AM, Timo Schoeler wrote: Timo iD8DBQFHLecDUY3eBSqOgOMRCu7WAKCtwy0qC/TmhZqzIbMKZEPy0+uqAgCffh+C Yg7jMg1F+EvUiK4xPprWiSI= =qMJx -END PGP SIGNATURE- Stop fucking signing mails to a public list that is BEYOND fucking annoying and all by itself proves that you're

Re: : deploy openssl patch

2007-11-03 Thread Ray Percival
On Nov 2, 2007, at 5:23 AM, Raimo Niskanen wrote: A very nice startegy from you. I have been looking for how to patch several machines this way. The kernel is easy since it is just one file to patch. But the userland is more delicate. Just to summarize your script (I want to understand how to

Re: lookup option in /etc/resolv.conf ignored

2007-10-13 Thread Ray Percival
On Oct 13, 2007, at 2:43 AM, Karel Kulhavy wrote: I want to make my OS return 127.0.0.1 on google-analytics.com and ad.doubleclick.net to speed up the work with Sourceforge. I put 127.0.0.1 google-analytics.com 127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net into /etc/hosts and checked that /etc/resolv.conf cont

Re: Have a OpenBSD store in Asia? Is it possible?

2007-03-18 Thread Ray Percival
On Mar 18, 2007, at 7:19 PM, Bibby wrote: hi all: I use OpenBSD from 3.6, when every release is pre-ordered, i can't find a easy way to own a set. I live in China, Is it possible to have a OpenBSD store in Asia? China? Japan? Korean? or other coutries? Sure. Knock yourself out. Thanks ve

Re: OpenBSD 4.1 Pre-Orders...

2007-03-17 Thread Ray Percival
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 17, 2007, at 3:07 PM, Bryan Allen wrote: On Mar 17, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Bob Beck wrote: Hate to tell you this, but Canada is not the United States. Give us a couple years. Pax Americana, yo. Actually I'm hoping to get BC to invade

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-17 Thread Ray Percival
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 17, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Karel Kulhavy wrote: On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 11:43:47AM +1100, fonkprop wrote: Yet again, we see that although Theo is willing to beg, wheedle and threaten his user community into sending him money when he needs it, h

Re: warning "Yet Another Inane Post" or every six month wierdness on misc@ list

2007-03-17 Thread Ray Percival
On Mar 17, 2007, at 1:25 PM, Bob Beck wrote: * Diana Eichert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-03-17 08:39]: I don't know what's worse, the junky posts from people who come out of the woodwork around release dates or the "Two chick f/cking in wild orgy" \ "Normalize your Cholesterol" \ "mature blond

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-17 Thread Ray Percival
On Mar 17, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Karel Kulhavy wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 05:53:10AM +, Karl O. Pinc wrote: On 03/15/2007 11:55:44 PM, Kian Mohageri wrote: Security isn't about receiving notifications to your Inbox in a timely fashion. It is about being proactive yourself. You should

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-17 Thread Ray Percival
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Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread Ray Percival
On Mar 16, 2007, at 5:43 PM, fonkprop wrote: Yet again, we see that although Theo is willing to beg, wheedle and threaten his user community into sending him money when he needs it, he holds them in too much contempt to respond to simple, uncontroversial and valid criticism. No. This is pur

Re: Contradictory statement on vulnerability

2007-03-16 Thread Ray Percival
On Mar 16, 2007, at 4:09 AM, Karel Kulhavy wrote: I am not following anything That's obvious. - just installed OpenBSD 4.0 from a CD. What should I follow, then? In other operating system the concept of upgrading is straightforward - Windows ask you and you press OK, in Gentoo Linux you t

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-15 Thread Ray Percival
On Mar 15, 2007, at 7:31 PM, Karl O. Pinc wrote: I agree. I'm very annoyed that I have to read about this problem on slashdot. The misc list is not the right place for this announcement, some low-traffic announce list that goes right into my inbox is where this stuff belongs. I rely on having

Re: OpenBSD 4.0 dvd case

2007-03-03 Thread Ray Percival
On Mar 3, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Tom Van Looy wrote: Some people thought the current 4.0 artwork was to childish for a corporate environment. I created a more simple and clean looking dvd case. You can download it at http://puffy.ctors.net/ If you have some comments about this, please let me know.

Re: Serial cable connection by "using some Japanese instructions"

2007-01-07 Thread Ray Percival
On Jan 7, 2007, at 3:37 PM, vladas wrote: http://www.openbsd.org/landisk.html mentions that .. Or you can attempt to build your own using some Japanese instructions .. Is there any demand for those instructions to be translated into English? You mean like this? http://www.ossmann.com/5-i

Re: anyone join in and sponsor: Re: Any progress on WPA/WPA2 support ?

2007-01-07 Thread Ray Percival
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 7, 2007, at 1:11 PM, Nick Guenther wrote: I would too, but I remember a while back (but cannot find the message now) Theo saying that WPA gives a false sense of security and that it would never be implemented. He didn't explain why. Does a

Re: Compatible hardware

2007-01-06 Thread Ray Percival
On Jan 5, 2007, at 11:19 PM, Virgil Gheorghiu wrote: Can anyone confirm such hardware will work to its full ability under OpenBSD 3.9 or 4.0? Oddly enough, yes. The docs http://www.openbsd.org/plat.html. And whatever it says in your dmesg. I am mostly interested in the RAID status and mana

Re: LiveCD

2006-12-23 Thread Ray Percival
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 23, 2006, at 3:49 PM, Passeur wrote: Hi, I am trying to build a live CD based on the official OpenBSD article. (http://www.openbsd-wiki.org/index.php?title=LiveCD) Nothing "official' about it. They do not preach that their God will rouse

Re: Software License

2006-11-24 Thread Ray Percival
On Nov 24, 2006, at 6:28 PM, Joel Goguen wrote: It seems to me that such a license would be too restrictive for many. The goal of OpenBSD (AFAIK) is not to force or coerce lock-in to a single OS - that's Microsoft's turf :) Theo said it best. But software which OpenBSD uses and redistributes m

Re: GPL = BSD + DRM [Was: Re: Intel's Open Source Policy Doesn't Make Sense]

2006-10-05 Thread Ray Percival
On Oct 5, 2006, at 4:39 PM, David T Harris wrote: When you say that the GPL is related to DRM, The point is that like DRM the GPL restricts what you can do and how you can use the code. The BSD license doesn't. what do you mean? I mean how is GPL related to DRM? Generally I try to avoid li

Re: Low priority or real coders

2006-09-13 Thread Ray Percival
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 13, 2006, at 7:53 PM, steve szmidt wrote: Over the years one gets used to some small things that makes life easier but is only slowly catching up on OBSD. I'm curious as why this is. Is it that real coders don't need some of them, or is i

Re: network cards - which one is the best ;>

2006-09-03 Thread Ray Percival
On Sep 3, 2006, at 6:16 PM, Matthew R. Dempsky wrote: On Sun, Sep 03, 2006 at 05:00:37PM -0700, Ray Percival wrote: On Sep 3, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Sylwester S. Biernacki wrote: Theo wrote about em driver in OpenBSD and bad vendor design of Intel NICs in general. Exactly the opposite I have

Re: network cards - which one is the best ;>

2006-09-03 Thread Ray Percival
think he was writing about WiFi cards. I've yet to find anything bad about old-skool ethernet cards. Also the ethernet cards *do* have free drivers unlike the wifi cards. Ray Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: authpf won't work as a shell with ssh

2006-07-08 Thread Ray Percival
On Jul 8, 2006, at 8:49 PM, Bill Meigs wrote: Thanks. That fixed the adduser script issue, but I still get disconnected immediately. Read the authpf portion of the FAQ. It's in there. Darrin Chandler wrote: On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 06:24:40PM -0700, Bill Meigs wrote: One other related issue.

Re: Issue when moving to -stable

2006-01-08 Thread Ray Percival
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 8, 2006, at 9:17 AM, Andris Delfino wrote: Hi, because of the recent release of patches for 3.8, I'm moving to -stable. I could build and boot the new kernel following the instructions at http://www.openbsd.org/stable.html, but I have a prob

Re: utilizing screen real estate without X

2005-12-24 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 24, 2005, at 3:16 PM, Michael Steinfeld wrote: Currently, I do not run X on my openbsd box and really would rather not. I am thinking of a way to have multiple ttys available for monitoring without switching back and forth between them. It might seem silly to some, when you have a dual he

Re: Xwindows Security Hole in OpenBSD 3.8

2005-12-24 Thread Ray Percival
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 24, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Edd Barrett wrote: On 24/12/05, Dave Feustel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I hate to send this Christmas present to misc, but there is definitely a security hole in Xwindows One wonders how software that doesn't exist c

Re: Part 2: What it be helpful if...

2005-12-11 Thread Ray Percival
On Dec 11, 2005, at 11:48 AM, Michael Steinfeld wrote: None the less, as a result I had spent countless hours skimming That would be your mistake. And no the excuse you tried to float isn't an excuse. Force yourself to do it. Read *and* grok the docs primarily the man pages. That's the who

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

2005-11-28 Thread Ray Percival
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 28, 2005, at 10:45 PM, Zachery Hostens wrote: according to a few people they have already sent diff's and nick has never said whether he recieved them or not. lets not speak for other mailboxes shall we ? On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:57:32 +08

Re: HOTO Write bad documentation

2005-11-27 Thread Ray Percival
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 27, 2005, at 7:52 PM, Jeremy David wrote: On 11/27/05, Simon Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hackers like interesting problems. Pretty HTML and a nice website layout is not an interesting problem. Stop wasting peoples time with it. The w

Re: HOTO Write bad documentation

2005-11-27 Thread Ray Percival
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 27, 2005, at 4:20 PM, frantisek holop wrote: You're not contributing anything. if you are sent away right at the beginning, what's the point? expressing an opinion is still a contribution. without that, openbsd would be much poorer.

Re: Appliance Vendors?

2005-10-27 Thread Ray Percival
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 11:32:25AM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: > We are getting ready to recommend an appliance to one of our clients, .. I > know we could build a box (a la Soekris), but I have also heard that > vendors like Lok Technologies are selling pre-built OBSD solutions. > > 1) Any reco

Netgear WG311 v3

2005-10-02 Thread Ray Percival
These cards don't seem to be ath anymore. The relevant bits from my dmesg. rl0 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 "D-Link Systems 530TX+" rev 0x10: irq 11 address 00:11:95:24:6a:0d rlphy0 at rl0 phy 0: RTL internal phy rl1 at pci1 dev 1 function 0 "D-Link Systems 530TX+" rev 0x10: irq 5 address 00:11:95:

Re: One time passwords?

2005-09-27 Thread Ray Percival
On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 09:22:51PM -0400, stan wrote: > I find myself in the position sometimes when away from home having access > to only M$ machines with a base OS load only. Things I've learned from travel. 1. Carry a copy of putty on every form of media you can think of. I have one my came

Re: is there a way to block sshd trolling?

2005-09-23 Thread Ray Percival
On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 08:24:15PM -0700, Bryan Irvine wrote: > > Some intelligent scripts look at tcp responses to port scans, ssh > > responds with SSH-2.0, which isn't too hard to identify. I don't know if > > changing the greeting would break the protocol, but I suspect it might > > break certa

Re: Receiving mail

2005-09-18 Thread Ray Percival
On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 04:05:43PM -0500, Jeffrey Roach wrote: > Thanks. I'll check that. Any suggestions for another free e-mail account? I have several friends who use and like http://www.airpost.net. > > On 9/16/2005 at 05:47:29 Jeffrey Roach wrote: > > >Can anyone tell me why I don't recei

Re: OpenBSD website Design.

2005-09-14 Thread Ray Percival
On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 04:15:13PM -0400, Adam wrote: > "Matthias Herlitzius" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > IMHO a redesign should use XHTML/CSS. Otherwise it would be hard to > > realize proper accessibility for lynx :-) I just opened it up in lynx and myabe I just have low standards but I'm

Re: OpenBSD website Design.

2005-09-11 Thread Ray Percival
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 01:56:16AM +0200, Martin Schrvder wrote: > On 2005-09-08 08:57:29 +0530, Siju George wrote: > > One of my friends sent me this new OpenBSD website design he created. > > Please have a look at it :-D > > > > http://mayuresh.freeshell.org/openbsd/ > > Nice, but wrong: > http

Re: OpenBSD website Design.

2005-09-10 Thread Ray Percival
On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 09:52:02AM +0100, ed wrote: > On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 22:12:03 +0200 > Alexander Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What about http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/www/ ? :-) > > I was taking a look at that, and it seems I am either getting behind > with OpenBSD versions o

Re: Doing the evil thing, working with windows...

2005-09-03 Thread Ray Percival
On Sat, Sep 03, 2005 at 04:10:02PM -0700, mojo fms wrote: > I need to get an OpenBSD server to do Authentication on a MS Windows 2k3 > network, trying to replace the DNS servers on them and im trying to secure > the network a lot more. Im trying to also learn how about how to make > OpenBSD and Fre

Re: Routing and firewall performance on older machines?

2005-08-29 Thread Ray Percival
On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 05:22:13PM -0400, Peter Landry wrote: > Hi, > > We're going to be doing some network restructuring, splitting our > internal network into 2 separate IP networks (192.168.1.0 and > 192.168.2.0). We currently have a Microsoft ISA firewall for our whole > network (since it's j

Re: SMS (mobile phone) authentication

2005-08-27 Thread Ray Percival
On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 03:44:14PM +0200, Rickard Dahlstrand wrote: > Right now the last line just logs the key to syslog instead of sending > it to a phone. Also not that the otp-key password is hardcoded in the > script. Not really a good idea, but I have no choice. (The file is not > world rea

Re: How to configure bind to work under OpenBSD 3.7

2005-08-25 Thread Ray Percival
On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 11:13:52AM -0300, Joco Salvatti wrote: > HI all, > > I'd like to know where I could find informations about how to configure bind > to > work under OpenBSD 3.7. I've already made a search in the net, but the > available documents are vacant. I've already looked at FAQ files

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 negative free space (?WTF?)

2005-08-24 Thread Ray Percival
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 08:56:32PM +0200, Erik Wikstrvm wrote: > On 2005-08-24 20:21, John Kintaro Tate wrote: > >Hrm, I was installing the mono port and I ran into an error. The error > >was simple and we all know what it means. > > > >Trying 62.243.72.50... > >Unimplemented command. > > 61% |

Re: /usr/share/pf/ suggestion

2005-08-24 Thread Ray Percival
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 09:15:48AM -0400, Timothy Donahue wrote: > On Tuesday 23 August 2005 11:58 pm, eric wrote: > > On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 16:53:25 -0600, Theo de Raadt proclaimed... > > > > > It is plain simple bad advice. And totally ridiculous. > > > > And plus, with ipv6, it's imperative tha

Re: RSS feed for errata

2005-08-24 Thread Ray Percival
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 01:03:04AM -0500, Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido wrote: > 2005/8/24, Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > This has been discussed before. I think many people here agree this > > would be very useful. Some has even volunteered to do it, but I > > haven't foun

Re: /usr/share/pf/ suggestion

2005-08-23 Thread Ray Percival
On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 06:57:43PM -0400, Will H. Backman wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Theo de Raadt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:53 PM > > To: Jason Crawford > > Cc: Will H. Backman; j knight; Misc OpenBSD > > Subject: Re: /usr/share/pf/ suggest

Re: Ports Question

2005-08-14 Thread Ray Percival
On Sun, Aug 14, 2005 at 01:51:02PM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: > I'm running release 3.7 and I've put the release src and ports > trees in /usr. I've updated both trees using cvs. > > I remade unzip as per the instructions in ports.html. > When I attempted to make install, I got an error message >

Re: Using an ASUS K8S-MX a mistake? - update

2005-08-14 Thread Ray Percival
On Sun, Aug 14, 2005 at 09:04:04AM -0500, Joe Szedula wrote: > I've installed the amd64 -current (13 August) on my ASUS K8S-MX system. > The dmesg shows these "unknown" items: > > ppb1 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 vendor "SIS", unknown product 0x000a rev > 0x00 > ppb2 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 vend

pf and authpf logging.

2005-08-11 Thread Ray Percival
I've been asked to do something a bit silly for work. Let me give you the background. I have a bunch of network connections that run our of a non-OpenBSD firewall, they just happen to be VPN tunnels, for auditing purposes they want to generate a log when somebody starts a session down one of th

Re: authpf doesn't seem to be creating user_ip

2005-08-08 Thread Ray Percival
On Mon, Aug 08, 2005 at 01:14:52PM -0600, Bob Beck wrote: > * Ray Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-08-08 12:17]: > > I have the following pf.conf and authpf.rules. When I try to load the rules into the anchor I get > > > > authpfbob# pfctl -a authpf -f /etc/authpf/a

authpf doesn't seem to be creating user_ip

2005-08-08 Thread Ray Percival
I have the following pf.conf and authpf.rules. When I try to load the rules into the anchor I get authpfbob# pfctl -a authpf -f /etc/authpf/authpf.rules /etc/authpf/authpf.rules:3: macro 'user_ip' not defined /etc/authpf/authpf.rules:3: syntax error pfctl: Syntax error in config file: pf rules n

Re: Requesting an change in the installer

2005-08-05 Thread Ray Percival
On Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 09:37:52AM +0200, Artur Grabowski wrote: > Lars Hansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Don't change settings and options unless you really have to. Because > when you get used to the changes and for some reason need to change > environment you'll get surprised and will m

Re: Ammunition needed to defend OpenBSD/pf

2005-08-02 Thread Ray Percival
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 11:03:34AM +1000, Rod.. Whitworth wrote: > Somebody sent me a query asking for a justification for my proposal to > supply a firewall/router using OpenBSD when there was thsi device: > http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=327 , with all its claimed bells and > whistles. > > A

Re: OT: any problems with webservers on high ports blocked by corporate-firewalls?

2005-07-24 Thread Ray Percival
On Sun, Jul 24, 2005 at 03:24:06PM -0700, Miles Keaton wrote: > Somewhat-OT, but I figure the PF-friendly OBSD gang would have more > experience with this than anyone: > > Working on a webmin-style admin/control-panel service for our > webhosting clients. > > Thinking of running it on high ports

Re: Openbsd 3.7 using USB 1gb (fat32-winxp) mount says " Inappropriate file type or format "

2005-07-18 Thread Ray Percival
On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 01:35:37PM -0700, edgar mortiz wrote: > I have a 1gb USB Flash Drive and i formatted it on Windows XP so i can > move files from windows to openbsd and vice versa. i plugged the usb > on my bsd box and dmesg shows up as: > > ** dmesg: ** > umass0 at uhub0 port 2 configurati

Testimonial

2005-07-12 Thread Ray Percival
I just upgraded a ftp server that has been running on Debian stable for the last 3 years, yes I know unsafe and unclean and all that but sadly my only choice is what to run it on not to make our customers go to sftp. I just upgraded it to OpenBSD 3.7. Setting it up in a more secure manner than

Re: ISAKMPD VPN w/ Cisco Concentrator

2005-07-06 Thread Ray Percival
On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 12:28:17PM -0500, Paul Lussier wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm need of a little help setting up a VPN tunnel between my OpenBSD > box and a Cisco VPN concentrator. I have successfully set up a tunnel > with another OpenBSD box, but in trying to change the isakmpd.conf to > then co

Re: Difficulty upgrading to 3.7

2005-07-03 Thread Ray Percival
On Sun, Jul 03, 2005 at 01:23:16PM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote: > On Sun, 3 Jul 2005, Aric Gregson wrote: > > > Hope this is the appropriate list for this. Have tried to upgrade to > > 3.7 from 3.6 for a while a now. Tried booting from binary 3.7 -release > > on a CD (which I burned), but repeatedly r

Re: Stopping Xorg cleanly on Mac Mini

2005-07-01 Thread Ray Percival
On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 11:55:31AM +0200, Dominik Epple wrote: > On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 03:46:32PM -0500, Chandler May wrote: > > I recently posted to this list inquiring how to successfully > > initialize the Xorg server on a Mac Mini (With an LCD monitor through > > DVI) running OpenBSD 3.7. Now

Re: anoncvs

2005-06-22 Thread Ray Percival
On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 06:43:36AM -0400, Nick Holland wrote: > Ray Percival wrote: > > Trying to track -stable according to the FAQ I'm doing the following. > > > > setenv [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs #Which seems to take and > > the following cvs commands work and the

anoncvs

2005-06-21 Thread Ray Percival
Trying to track -stable according to the FAQ I'm doing the following. setenv [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs #Which seems to take and the following cvs commands work and the fingerprints match. Then cvs up -rOPENBSD_3_7 -Pd ? archivers/w-cabextract-1.1 ? archivers/w-unzip-5.51 ? archivers/w-faad-2.0p1 ?

Re: sshd suddenly not responding

2005-06-21 Thread Ray Percival
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 01:38:15PM -0700, Winston Williams wrote: > I am just setting up an OpenBSD machine that I am hosting remotely in a > data center. I was configuring qmail on two ssh sessions, when both > sessions suddenly died. > > ssh will no longer respond > > apache and bind are still r

Audio

2005-06-20 Thread Ray Percival
I have a nforce mobo with built in sound. Dmesg shows auich0 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 "Nvidia nForce AC-97 Audio" rev 0xc2: irq 5, nForce AC97 audio0 at auich0 So I'm pretty sure the drivers are loaded and the card is supported. I think the problem is that /dev/sound is lrwx-- 1 root wheel

Re: Encrypted Swap

2005-06-20 Thread Ray Percival
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 09:17:55PM +0200, Rogier Krieger wrote: > On 6/20/05, Ray Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Setting up GPG and I thought I enabled encrypted swap with sysctl -w > > vm.swapencrypt.enable=1 > > You're already there; only GPG doesn&

Encrypted Swap

2005-06-20 Thread Ray Percival
Setting up GPG and I thought I enabled encrypted swap with sysctl -w vm.swapencrypt.enable=1 it threw a message telling me that it was changing it. I also uncommented it in /etc/sysctl.conf but have not booted since doing that. Looking thorugh the archives and the faq I thought that should make gpg

Re: Openbox and x.org

2005-06-15 Thread Ray Percival
On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 04:20:50PM -0400, Mathieu Sauve-Frankel wrote: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 10:36:00AM -0700, Ray Percival wrote: > > It would seem that openbox as installed from the package in 3.7 doesn't > > have rc.xml or menu.xml files. Is this on purpose or is i

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