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gnature intact and resigning with ARC. If nothing
else, it will distinguish between what your users are telling you (Inky is
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ng proper SPF and whatnot than a lot of legitimate hosts...
>
> I agree.
>
>> They are much more motivated to get their messages across.
>
> Sure.
>
> But how much of their spam is sent from their servers vs sent through other
> compromised accounts / servers?
Qu
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overall % of spam has gone down.
If anyone has better data, I’m all for it. But I did dig into this a while back
and that was the conclusion I’d come to.
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g this domain or IP, on that note never with
> any of my domains or IPs.
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What’s the full block message you’re receiving from Google?
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includes (although they’ve gotten a lot better about it).
> By comparison, setting up DKIM is anywhere from hard to impossible.
Our experiences are wildly different.
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The “here” takes you to https://olcsupport.office.com/.
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into a Microsoft account to get to that page.
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the folks who design the filters are doing a lot more than the simple stuff
that so many folks claim.
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error. I guess Outlook has to receive mail from the IP
> before it can be registered with JMRP? I guess being proactive doesn't
> really mean a lot.
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yes. I’ve reported there. Repeatedly. I was looking for a contact that might be
able to help.
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> Am 06.05.2024 um 15:56:31 Uhr schrieb Laura Atkins:
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>> 205.183.255.162
>
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> On 6 May 2024, at 13:35, Marco Moock via mailop wrote:
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> Am 06.05.2024 um 12:59:46 Uhr schrieb Laura Atkins via mailop:
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>> Looking for an abuse contact there or at messagereach.
>
> T-Mobile is a name used by many (sub)companies.
> Can you specify the IP addr
T-Mobile for Business
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decide if this is wanted mail or not. This can cause a
“drop” in opens without any change in actual delivery.
Your experience is different and does suggest there is some change in delivery.
But, if nothing else has changed that should resolve itself with a bit of
warmup.
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> Best,
&
l in the spam folder).
If it’s simply prefetch behavior, there’s nothing you can do. Google gonna
Google.
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> They do not accept third party samples and never have.
They are now. https://submit.spamhaus.org/
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ust take extra precaution to warm the IPs ( and
> domains, and click-track URLs, and and and ..). Understand you're going to
> have garbage neighbors (if you don't bring your own ranges), and understand
> the implications of that.
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>
> The new host will be doing deliveries directly, not using SES.
That is, IMO, a v
y bad actors to send SPF / DKIM / DMARC passing
email and b) wrapping up an email and forwarding it through an untrusted source
means authentication can be trivially forged, and c) trust indicators don’t
actually work.
In the face of those facts, what value does this bring to email?
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>>> Those never get to see the content of a spam folder.
>>
>> Google heavily discourages POP, to the extent it throws up security warnings
>> if you try and enable it. They´re pretty clear they don´t want their
>> customers using it, so why would they go out
o be feedback loops, per se, as they didn't and don't tell
> you which specific messages were judged to be spam by a recipient or other
> entity.
It’s been a while since I’ve looked at SNDS, but I don’t believe they provide a
complaint percentage. What I remember is they provide a % of mai
cked their Spam folder, we just leave them in the
> Inbox.
>
> Yes, I do see my share of Spam this way, but I also do see the Spam if I have
> to check the Spam folder regularly…
Different audiences have different needs. Not all providers are going to meet
the needs of all sen
on of my outbound IPs daily and
> be proactive in remedying any issues with these major email service
> providers, rather than have to be told by my clients that something is amiss.
> And then battle through a 2 week waiting period for the provider to reply
> back or hope that someone
generally focused on domain reputation and ensuring domain alignment.
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2 different results using two different parsers. I believed the one
that passed (ie, I believed it was validly signed by the responsible domain).
Laura
> In any event, as I've said at least three times now, RSA keys are fine for
> the forseeable future so there is
nt.
>> (Thanks for your prompt reply.)
>> Postmaster - postmas...@inter-corporate.com
>> Randolf Richardson - rand...@inter-corporate.com
>> Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
>> Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
>> https:/
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> On 11/16/23 02:54, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
>> The New York Times
>> Laura
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> Can you be more specific? Link to an article?
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=cloudflare+doxx
https://letmegooglethat.co
Did you follow the links and do what they told you to do? How long have you waited for a response?LauraSent from my iPhoneOn Nov 16, 2023, at 11:35 AM, Polath, Kiran via mailop wrote:
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We at Broadridge Financial Solutions sends millions of email as financial customer communicat
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> Am 16.11.2023 schrieb Laura Atkins via mailop :
>
>> They protect a whole lot worse than phishing sites and have doxxed
>> people who complain about abuse.
>
> Is
They protect a whole lot worse than phishing sites and have doxxed
people who complain about abuse.
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>> <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc7cedc63ed1d1d78e45272?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nLiDvwE1FDvAnv56cZf8gHOlGcXNTPUHN-wE0IIEJbWkBqUZ5n-wh878kG0mKc-TDyIo6EwBskR6pg3M12nuwEx_9G03qmurLHy8H_IjsK3cg==>
>>
>>
>> <https://cloud
/www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
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ISPs to try and get them to deliver the mail. I’d forgotten e360 sued Comcast,
though.
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> On 21 Aug 2023, at 10:08, Laurent S. via mailop wrote:
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>
> On 21.08.23 10:26, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
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>> This recommendation doesn’t make sense. For companies that actually
>> reject due to SPF, they’re most likely going to do it after MAIL FRO
ho
do I can’t imagine they want to see the full content of the message before just
throwing it away. That seems wasteful.
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ired either. Business to business email can
> function without any of them.
This is bad advice.
B2B email requires a MX (like, if you don’t have an MX do you even email?)
In order for mail to be accepted at Google Workspace you must have either SPF
or DKIM.
t the domain info itself does not say that.
>
> I know that whois is a lost cause, and I still believe that methods for
> identifying the real controlling entities of domains would help quite a bit
> in reducing unwanted e-mail spam.
>
> Cheers,
> Hans-Martin
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really be addressed as part of the protocol development stage.
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ng up domains for
not-email I recommend both as they address the issue from different directions.
It’s also perfectly legit for a domain to receive email while never sending
email. I have domains set up to receive client mail, for instance. They never
send mail, they’re collection addresses.
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anged SPF recently (after changing ISP), while DKIM signing remained the
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>> > I was wondering if anyone else experienced similar issues on Apr 06 with
>> > missing data on SNDS or a high number of IPs getting blocked?
>> >
>> > Thanks.
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your business and technical constraints and how do you want your customers to
see you. Typically those discussions lead to clarity and then the business can
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You may also want to look at SSDNodes for VPSes.
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> h-email.net descriptive text "v=spf1 ip6:fd96:1c8a:43ad::/48 -all"
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> Any thoughts?
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> authentication results of direct messages from your mail server which you can
> use to troubleshoot authentication further.
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> - Mark Alley
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>
>
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tore - if you send a test message to the address provided to you on
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> use to troubleshoot authentication further.
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ur DNS, publish this
DMARC record and publish this SPF record - while the SaaS provider uses none of
the customer domains anywhere in the mail.
Additionally, there are scammers out there hunting for bug bounties using “your
domain is at risk due to a lack of DMARC record, how much will you pay me
or later for all ?
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whether
> the reporter wanted to actually mark this email as spam or just wanted to
> delete it, so you end up unsubscribing them.
And adding the number to reporting so you can identify if this is simply a one
off or if your customer is behaving badly.
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> My first instinct in your position would be to use something like
>>>>>> mail-tester.com to get a basic check over your headers, DNS,
>>>>>&g
ot;
>
> How bad of an idea would this be? If we also had a DMARC record set to either
> quarantine or reject.
Anecdotally, that would be a bad idea. What I’ve heard is this is actually
something done for botnet sending and is treated as a bad reputation indicator.
I don’t
gt; Nextdoor is back with several messages per day. Unsubscribe link does not do
> anything.
>
> Cheers,
> Dan
>
> On 19/12/2022 16:51, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
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> On 2022/11/21 13:55, Taejoong (tijay) Chung via mailop wrote:
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>> the Institutional Review Board (IRB) at Virginia Tech determined the
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Looks like this is evolving. The first round was the scammers impersonating
PayPal. Looks like they got a handle on that (after a few weeks) but failed to
think like the bad guys and anticipate the next round.
Hopefully the fix is something that can be tweaked to cover brands not PayPal
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>>>
>> The above statement is untrue. I know a number of mailservers that are able
>> to successfully send mail to t-online.de and have never contacted the tosa@
>> address.
>
> Since when do those mailserv
osition where people spread this disinformation.
The above statement is untrue. I know a number of mailservers that are able to
successfully send mail to t-online.de <http://t-online.de/> and have never
contacted the tosa@ address.
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>
> So basically, what would be interesting to have is both : land the email in
> the spam folder but notify the sender about if, maybe via an ARF report ?
As someone whose addresses is regular forge
a lot of spam goes to the bulk
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s mail is going way down. I don’t think this is really a
filter issue - a lot of business filters let this mail through and let the
company decide if they want to block the sender. I think the volume has gotten
so high that recipients are Just Done with this baloney.
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that is the problem.
> The frequency at which I see such comments is growing and the comments seem
> to be more dire as time goes on.
Don’t believe everything you read on the internet.
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or latter here will be DNSRBL with those "services", IMO
> Spamhaus SBL starts with something similar recently (while not exactly
> washers, it is good start).
>
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> Am Fr., 26. Aug. 2022 um 11:56 Uhr schrieb Laura Atkins via mailop
> mailto:mailop@mailop.org>>:
> When you say “fail” do you mean the mail is being rejected? Or just that one
> signature is failing to verify with DKIM?
>
> laur
his way,
> the mail has 2 signatures.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Stefan
>
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I once (many years ago) used eBay as an example of a large company the couldn’t
get SPF right in a talk I gave to a bunch of marketers.
Unknown to me, eBay was in the audience.
Their SPF record is no longer broken.
Laura
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> On Aug 12, 2022, at 7:10 PM, Marcel Becker via
The research paper seems reasonably well done and I encourage people to
actually read it and their conclusions rather than paying attention to the
popular press takes on it.
Laura
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> On Jul 30, 2022, at 7:54 PM, Larry M. Smith via mailop
> wrote:
>
> On 7/29/2022, Anne
> On 25 Jul 2022, at 15:49, Luis E. Muñoz via mailop wrote:
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> On 24 Jul 2022, at 4:38, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
>
>> We’re trying to pull ‘what to do with a completely different message that
>> might be sent in the future, possibly by a completely differ
even lower than I thought. I was going to say only 40
- 60% of bounces had eSMTP codes. But apparently I was overestimating.
laura
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> On 23 Jul 2022, at 05:18, Bill Cole via mailop wrote:
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> On 2022-07-22 at 12:45:18 UTC-0400 (Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:45:18 -0400)
> Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
> is rumored to have said:
>
>> On 22 Jul 2022, at 11:49, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
>>
>>&g
> On 22 Jul 2022, at 16:02, Luis E. Muñoz via mailop wrote:
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> On 22 Jul 2022, at 6:31, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
>
>> I’m agreeing there is a problem with ESPs and have said so to ESPs
>> individually and as a group over the last few weeks.
>
> Someth
> On 22 Jul 2022, at 12:22, Simon Arlott via mailop wrote:
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> On 22/07/2022 10:21, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
>>> After that there should be an integrated opt-in process to verify any
>>> new email address for that ESP customer's list.
>>
>> Wh
> On 22 Jul 2022, at 11:13, Slavko via mailop wrote:
>
> Ahoj,
>
> Dňa Fri, 22 Jul 2022 10:21:44 +0100 Laura Atkins via mailop
> napísal:
>
>> ESPs have many, many problems, but the fixes being suggested here on
>> mailop are overly simplistic
handled by the data controller, not the ESP.
ESPs have many, many problems, but the fixes being suggested here on mailop are
overly simplistic and evidence a lack of conceptual understanding of how bulk
email is sent in 2022.
laura
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x27;t exclude the possibility of something else in the mail pipeline having
> changed.)
There are currently quite a number of anecdotal reports that Google is moving
towards rejecting more email that doesn’t comply with their interpretation of
the standards. This includes 5321/2 and
otection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flist.mailop.org%2Flistinfo%2Fmailop&data=05%7C01%7Cjdellapina%40microsoft.com%7C4d57fb54ed3a48c5630208da6049a450%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637928166673653439%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV
> On 1 Jul 2022, at 10:00, Paul Smith via mailop wrote:
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> On 01/07/2022 09:52, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
>>
>>> It has a single MX record pointed at:
>>>
>>> mail.admin.mailchimp.com <http://mail.admin.mailchimp.com/>
>>>
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