>>> The basic problem is allowing an ESP customer to import a list that
>>> existed before the customer became a customer of this ESP. I can't
>>> think of an ESP that would not allow that.
>> 
>> I saw this again as someone replied to it.
>> 
>> Sadly, there is at least one legitimate reasons to allow this:
>> how else could a customer change ESP ?
> 
> It should only be possible to import addresses from a list once or
> twice, not on a regular basis.
> 
> After that there should be an integrated opt-in process to verify any
> new email address for that ESP customer's list.

While this sounds simple and like a no-brainer, it doesn’t account for how 
complex many companies email programs are. In many, many cases full customer 
data isn’t kept at the ESP - nor should it be. The ESP doesn’t need to know 
(and in fact absolutely shouldn’t know) things like credit card numbers or 
login passwords. There are also a number of systems that don’t keep email 
addresses at all. Mail is triggered through an API call and all of the email 
addresses are stored on the sender’s system, “lists” never go near the ESP. All 
the ESP sees are send requests. 

There are opt-in processes that don’t involve “signing up for a list” as well. 
You register an account with PayPal, or your bank, or whatever. Yes, those 
organizations should (and many do) have verification processes in place. But 
that should be handled by the data controller, not the ESP. 

ESPs have many, many problems, but the fixes being suggested here on mailop are 
overly simplistic and evidence a lack of conceptual understanding of how bulk 
email is sent in 2022. 

laura 

-- 
The Delivery Experts

Laura Atkins
Word to the Wise
la...@wordtothewise.com         

Email Delivery Blog: http://wordtothewise.com/blog      






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