Ok, how do you get something on to the doc, using vo?
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Hi,
It's only a chance thing. It's very, very unstable to use the arrow keys only.
As those who can make it work will probably agree with.
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On Feb 11, 2010, at 4
Hi,
Well, we figured out why. Vo doesn't track it.
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On Feb 11, 2010, at 4:29 AM, carlene knight wrote:
> Neither can I. They do nothing.
> On Feb 5, 2010, at 3:5
Hi everyone,
I am having a small problem with Pages O9. I am unable to use different styles
wwith Voice Over. Every time I select a new style, the style returns to normal
whenever I navigate back to the body text area.
Does anyone have any tips on how to control styles using VO in Pages 09 ple
Oh I would so love to have an alternative to Safari! I'm a fairly recent
switcher and I don't miss Windows at all except that I totally and absolutely
miss the great accessibility I had with IE. I hate the fact that I can't read
line by line or copy web page text to the clipboard and he distur
The PDF author did not use the appropriate table tags in your problem document.
You may be able to do a "select all" and copy and paste the table into a word
processor or spreadsheet which may be able to sort out the broken table for
you. Otherwise, you are SOL - Viva Adobe!
On Feb 10, 2010, at
Good morning,
Other than Preview is there a PDF viewer / reader application that is
accessible with VoiceOver?
Thanks,
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On 2010-02-11, at 7:23 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
Th
I think you need to take some additional time to learn how best to use Safari
with VOiceOver. I've been using the Mac for five years now and although like
any browser and screen reader, Safari and VO has issues, but certainly not to
the degree you seem to be having. Reading line by line is no
With last year's lay offs at IBM and last week's lay offs at Sun, the future of
large scale accessibility projects in free/open source software looks pretty
disorganized at the moment. Marco (with whom I used to work at Freedom
Scientific) is really dedicated but the overwhelmingly large Windows
On 2010-02-11, at 7:48 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
I think you need to take some additional time to learn how best to
use Safari with VOiceOver. I've been using the Mac for five years
now and although like any browser and screen reader, Safari and VO
has issues, but certainly not to the degree
Hello,
I've been a Mac user for almost 2 years, and I personally don't find the web
browsing experience on my Mac using Safari with voiceover to be on par with
that of internet explorer and Jaws. For example, Look at the steps you
explained to highlight and copy text "If you interact with tex
Hi,
> Other than Preview is there a PDF viewer / reader application that is
> accessible with VoiceOver?
Yes there is, it is called Skim and you can get it from SourceForge or:
http://www.opensourcemac.org
TC
James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
On 11 Feb 2010, at 12:27, E.J. Zufelt wrote:
> Good mornin
I would love to help, but I am only just getting into programming. BTW, I tried
to get in touch with Will Walker to pass on how sorry I was regarding his job
loss and to find out what the current state of Orca was on Linux. This is
indeed very disturbing and more than a little annoying.
Just i
Hi,
Can sighted users use just the arrow keys with the shift keys to highlight
text?
Thanks
TC
James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
On 11 Feb 2010, at 13:58, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've been a Mac user for almost 2 years, and I personally don't find the web
> browsing experience on my Mac
I'm assuming you mean is it possible to highlight text on the web using shift
and the arrows with voiceover off? I have no idea lol. I assume sighted
people would just use the mouse to highlight selections.
On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:19 AM, James & Nash wrote:
> Hi,
> Can sighted users use just t
Hi,
I was VP of Software Engineering at FS when we invented a lot of what is now
the common user interface on Windows screen readers. I am proud of the work we
did as we certainly moved the art forward.
Now, I use Macintosh with Safari. The Windows way of doing things tried to
emulate a word p
No, shift plus arrows does nothing for sighted users. Of course, they cannot
use the rotor, item chooser or lots of things that VoiceOver provides for us
blinks. The web browsing experience is very different for people with vision
impairment than sighted users so trying to come up with some kind
I'm in touch with both Willy and Mike and I'll pass on your regards.
On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:17 AM, James & Nash wrote:
> I would love to help, but I am only just getting into programming. BTW, I
> tried to get in touch with Will Walker to pass on how sorry I was regarding
> his job loss and to fi
Hi Chris,
Yup. I use Safari way more than I do I.E. now a days. I honestly couldn't
stand the internet on my Mac with Leopard. But once Snow Leopard came out at
the end of August, it changed the game for me. The rotor function along with
the web spots really help things to move a long for
Hello James,
Sighted users of Safari usually have to click and drag to highlight text on a
web page. However, if you want to highlight some text and shift plus arrows
won't work with VO, try navigating to the item to the left of the text, routing
the mouse to it, then double-clicking with the p
On Feb 11, 2010, at 8:19 AM, James & Nash wrote:
> Hi,
> Can sighted users use just the arrow keys with the shift keys to highlight
> text?
I have some vision and did try the above with zoom on. It won't do it with all
text, I think it only does it on text that is not a header, and also you
Hi, CDH.
It is very good to see you here. As usual, one of your messages has
gotten me to think. You say:
Now, I use Macintosh with Safari. The Windows way of doing things
tried to emulate a word processor or some other similar text
manipulation application
with which a user would already be famili
Thanks as well.
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Hi there:
In addition to
Hi Anne,
Thanks for this.
TC
James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
On 11 Feb 2010, at 14:46, Anne Robertson wrote:
> Hello James,
>
> Sighted users of Safari usually have to click and drag to highlight text on a
> web page. However, if you want to highlight some text and shift plus arrows
> won't work w
Hi,
To follow up on James' reply, there's Skim that is free and open
source, with some nice annotation options, that is available from
SourceForge:
http://skim-app.sourceforge.net/
There's also Adobe Reader, also freeware, which has a recent new
version release according to the Apple Downl
I beg to differ with the below, shift + arrows does work to highlight text
after you selected one word. The text can not be a header though for some
reason, at least that how it worked on Apple's Ipod touch site when I tried it.
On Feb 11, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
> No, shift p
Good morning Esther,
Thanks for the detailed response.
I will give Skim a try. Adobe's reading functionality is by no means
adequate for what I need.
Thanks again,
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Hi Esther.
Do you know any pdf readers which makes tables in pdf documents accessible with
Voiceover like tables works on websites in Safari? I have to read big tables in
some pdf files, and I find it pretty difficult to read tables in the way
preview shows it.
A long time ago, I installed a pl
HI:
I still use the good old item chooser. I can still hit vo/i and type the word
of interest, then use the arrow keys to view the hits. I then use vo/a to read
the contents. I really don't like the web item rotor. Vo/h takes you to
headings, and my tab key seems to go through the links. I
Can't you just use the download manager in Safari?
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Den Feb 11, 2010 kl. 1:12 AM skrev Kimberly thurman:
> Hello Folks:
>
> Is there a download manager such as free download manager for the PC th
Speaking of wigits, how do I get rid of Cupertino's weather and get my own?
It looks as though the weather comes from yahoo, but beyond that I'm lost.
Thanks from a novice Mac user and long-time windows captive.
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Awesome! I'm sure Cupertino is a nice place, but I got tired of looking at
their weather. Actually, I was jealous as their weather was much nicer than
ours. LOL
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I was looking for something that would restart stopped downloads
automatically. I downloaded Flox, and, so far, it is fairly accessible.
There are some unlabeled buttons, which I am still experimenting with.
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Hi,
Speaking of widgets, can anyone get the currency converter to work? I can get
it to change currencies, but I can't see the result. Might be me just missing
something.
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Hi again,
Well, never mind. There is just an item that doesn't read as actually being an
item before you try clicking on it, and a popup to choose a currency to convert
to will then show up with an edit field next to it, showing the result.
Regards,
Nic
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I've got to admit that I really miss the hot keys in JAWS such as c to jump to
combo boxes, b for buttons, h for headers, and the like. I also miss the way
it handles radio buttons.
On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:46 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> Yup. I use Safari way more than I do I.E.
Ok, and we need to know all of this for what reason?
Carolyn
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Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: Blog post: First Glance at Firefox Accessibility on OS X Snow
Leopard
With las
James:
I'm looking at a "user guide" in a pdf file, on the MacBook Pro. I can't seem
to get beyond the first page, or copyright info. I assume this is because I'm
using previewer. Would I get further using the Skim program you mentioned
here?
TIA
Carolyn CH:)
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Hello. You can hit control+option+command+h to jump forward through the
headings and control+option+shift+command+h to go backward through the
headings. You can also hit control+option+command+j to jump to the next
element on a web page.
On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:20 PM, carlene knight wrote:
> I
Hi all,
If you mute voice over by checking the mute voice over check box in
the voice over utilities is a braille display still usable.
louie
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I've written a whole lot about the importance of context in the blog and
elsewhere. I'm really tired this afternoon so I'll get back to you with
something coherent tomorrow.
On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Aman Singer wrote:
> Hi, CDH.
> It is very good to see you here. As usual, one of your messag
The arrow keys in conjunction with the rotor provide similar functionality but
with the luxury of selecting a specific one from the rotor dialogue itself.
On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:20 PM, carlene knight wrote:
> I've got to admit that I really miss the hot keys in JAWS such as c to jump
> to combo
Because the question of why Firefox sucks on Macintosh needs a complicated
response as it is a complicated problem.
On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Carolyn wrote:
> Ok, and we need to know all of this for what reason?
> Carolyn
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Hi Carolyn
On 11 Feb 2010, at 19:43, Carolyn wrote:
> I'm looking at a "user guide" in a pdf file, on the MacBook Pro. I can't
> seem to get beyond the first page, or copyright info. I assume this is
> because I'm using previewer. Would I get further using the Skim program you
> mentioned her
Go to: http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/macbook_pro_users_guide.pdf
Aloha,
Charlie
On Feb 11, 2010, at 10:51 AM, "James & Nash" > wrote:
Hi Carolyn
On 11 Feb 2010, at 19:43, Carolyn wrote:
I'm looking at a "user guide" in a pdf file, on the MacBook Pro. I
can't seem to get beyond the first
Carlene,
This was sad news for me. As a new user, I was still hoping that I
would come across similar hot keys with my Mac.
Linda
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James: Re using preview: I can get to a "next page" button, but it continues
to say, "next page Button Press Next page button." This is one thing that
really is getting me frustrated about my Mac learningstuff that simply
doesn't seem to work. The Electronic beast continues to outsmart me
Simon,
It doesn't involve VO but the following will do it.
Shift command T adds selection to the Dock
Linda
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Hello Linda,
I think it's I think command+shift+t in snow leopard
best regards,
William
Op 11-feb-2010, om 23:17 heeft Linda Adams het volgende geschreven:
> Simon,
>
> It doesn't involve VO but the following will do it.
> Shift command T adds selection to the Dock
>
> Linda
>
> -Origina
William,
You're right. When I looked back at my notes, it is written "command
shift T."
Does it make a difference on the key sequence? i.e. shift command t
vs. command shift t
Linda
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No. It makes no difference if you press command or shift first
On Feb 11, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Linda Adams wrote:
> William,
>
> You're right. When I looked back at my notes, it is written "command
> shift T."
> Does it make a difference on the key sequence? i.e. shift command t
> vs. command sh
As there was a question about selecting text in Safari with VoiceOver here are
some instructions for doing this.
1. Interact with the text on the page and navigate to the start of the text you
want to select.
2. If not already doing so move the mouse to the VoiceOver cursor
3. Click the mouse
So Linda, what is the difference between holding down a couple extra keys? I
have to use Window-Eyes at work since I have to use windows and WE offers the
same command set. The only difference is pressing h and h with three other keys
that can easily be done with one hand. Not sure how you woul
Hi Carolyn,
In the "View" menu, check that you have selected the "single page" option. Then
once you've interacted with the PDF, try using "page down" to move to the next
page. Although, if it is saying dimmed, perhaps it is a single page PDF?
If this does not work, perhaps you could contact me
Do you know that it's possible to use iChat for facebook chat? I didn't.
Below is a link leading to instructions for setting it up. It's quite simple,
and it works. In case you're a little slow on the draw like myself, when the
instruction in step 4 tells you to enter your user account name
Hi Carolyn,
The behavior of Preview under VoiceOver is closely tied to the version of Mac
OS X that you are running, so because I am not running Snow Leopard, and also
because some of the details of behavior can depend on both your application
settings and your VoiceOver preference settings (e
Hi Scott,
I'm not Linda, but I had to respond to your note to her re the differences
between moving around on a page among elements with Window Eyes or Jaws and
Voice Over. You said that you didn't see much difference between pressing h by
itself or pressing 3 additional keys in addition to h to
Mary,
What I was pointing out is that jumping from heading to heading may not be as
simple as just pressing h, but the functionality still exists, even if you have
to hold some additional keys down. In the end you use what works best for you.
YOu say browsing using IE on windows is more efficie
Hi all,
I was just thinking about this, How good is VoiceOver reading entries in the
Ipod touch address book? I Just thought about how my phone doesn't really sync
well with my macbook pro, and furthermore doesn't contain data like street
addresses, and websites. and I know for a fact all of t
I've got a question about preview, now that you mention it. when I was trying
to read the Vo getting started PDF, I would stop speech with control and then
when I wanted to continue, it would go back to the beginning of the paragraph I
was on. It was very frustrating. How do you get around th
I think that Linda and I can switch knowing that we have more reliable and
faster computers and are able to do things pretty much as we would like, but no
OS or software is perfect, and though we chose to move to OSX, it doesn't mean
that we won't miss anything in JAWS. I didn't mean to cast a
Hi Aman, just let me echo your sentiments to Chris back at ya! nice
to see you here!
You asked about context, and its importance; Let me just comment that there
have been many situations on the web in particular, where context itself has
greatly assisted me. In particular, this has helped
Hi Pete:
I use the contact list on my touch all the time with VO. I think it is a lot
easier than Address Book.
On Feb 11, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Pete Nalda wrote:
> Hi all,
> I was just thinking about this, How good is VoiceOver reading entries in the
> Ipod touch address book? I Just thought a
Hello,
If I may, I would like to point out that all navigation through elements on a
web page can be done with one hand and you don't need to remember a lot of
keys. When in dom. mode, press the left and right arrows at the same time to
enter quick nav mode. Now, press the left-up or right-up
Oh cool, Ok, I kind of thought this, but thought I'd ask here since a lot of
people on this list use the ipod touch, and I didn't know if there would be any
contact entries in a floor model of one at the Apple store. There are a lot of
2nd Gen. ipod touches on Craigslist here in Austin at the m
hi all
I have just read on the mac world website that microsoft has announced
the launch of office for mac 2011. Could this be the answer to our
prayers by finally being accessible to voiceover users? Does anyone
have the inside line on this?
Keep your fingers crossed.
Scott
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Good evening Scott,
My speculation is that Microsoft Office 2011 will not be accessible
with VoiceOver.
I cannot imagine that Office was developed with native Cocoa user
interface components. As a matter of fact for some user interface
components (the ribbon) Microsoft would have to crea
Hi Esther:
Thank you again and again. Actually, the MacBook Pro has snowleopard, and
there is a 73 page PDF user guide that I was referring to. Maybe you should
write a book, or I should win the lotto so I could
fly you into Denver to beat this stuff into me somehow.:)
In any case thank yo
About the best that I can do is to use vo/left and right arrows while in Dom
mode. It works fairly well. Today I was able to just use the arrow keys on a
page, but I'm not sure why.
On Feb 11, 2010, at 1:24 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It's only a chance thing. It's very, very unst
Yeah. lol. That thing just has a mind of its on.
On Feb 12, 2010, at 12:03 AM, carlene knight wrote:
> About the best that I can do is to use vo/left and right arrows while in Dom
> mode. It works fairly well. Today I was able to just use the arrow keys on
> a page, but I'm not sure why.
>
Yes, I realize that quicknav is one of those very useful additions to VO in
Snow Leopard. I would add, however, that the rotor with quicknav is not as fast
as simply typing a mnemonic to immediately get you to the form element or other
control you want. You have to cycle through the rotor to get
Hi all,
I read on a french Mac blog that MS rewrite Office with Cocoa. So just wait and
see !
Philippe
Le 12 févr. 2010 à 05:07, E.J. Zufelt a écrit :
> Good evening Scott,
>
> My speculation is that Microsoft Office 2011 will not be accessible with
> VoiceOver.
>
> I cannot imagine that Offic
and microsoft are the supposed company banging accessibility to death it
disgusting
On 12 Feb 2010, at 05:50, Philippe Brun wrote:
> Hi all,
> I read on a french Mac blog that MS rewrite Office with Cocoa. So just wait
> and see !
> Philippe
> Le 12 févr. 2010 à 05:07, E.J. Zufelt a écrit :
>
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