On 2010-02-11, at 7:48 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
I think you need to take some additional time to learn how best to
use Safari with VOiceOver. I've been using the Mac for five years
now and although like any browser and screen reader, Safari and VO
has issues, but certainly not to the degree you seem to be having.
Reading line by line is no problem at all and copying information to
the clipboard is again, no problem. There is lots of information on
how to accomplish both tasks and perhaps a little research on your
part will help. I'll give you a tip. If you interact with text,
use VO-shift-return, you can initiate marking of text and use VO-
cursor keys to navigate and mark that text, then use VO-shift-return
to stop marking the text. FInally command-c will copy that text for
you to paste where you choose. You can also interact with text and
use command-a to highlight all text you can then copy. You coming
from windows and using IE may find DOM mode more like your browsing
experience under windows using a windows-based screen reader. If
your using Groups mode, you are going to find the navigation of the
page not to be linear as is provided by DOM mode. Groups mode gives
a more accurate representation of how the page is laid out unlike
DOM mode.
* I would agree that having used JAWS and a variety of browsers for
Windows for years that my first transition to a Mac left the web-
browsing experience wanting. While I was using Leopard I used Safari
about 1% of the time and Firefox under Windows 99% of the time. Since
upgrading to Snow Leopard the balance is more like Safari 30% Firefox
70%. Definitely some much appreciated improvements.
Once you have used Safari a while, I think you will find it will
meet your needs just fine. I am not so sure that even if Firefox is
made accessible, you will find the browsing experience significantly
different. I think what you will find is some differences in
browsing experience as far as how some sites behave, but assuming
Mozilla leverages the accessibility hooks of VO, the navigation will
likely be quite similar.
* I completely agree with this point. The problem, isn't Safari, or
any other browser. The problem is the paradigm shift that users,
myself included, need to make between browsing a page in a virtual
buffer / viewer, and browsing the web through interacting with the
objects that make up the page.
HTH,
Everett
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