The US is in free trade negotiations with many countries right now, so it would
be very easy for any company that wished to serve its US customers from an
entirely different country. You will find that very many of the apps you use
come from other countries too, and that the US share of the mark
Hi,
Are you using command-space to enter spotlight? I find this always works for
me. Also, do you ever leave quick nav on or turn cursor tracking off? If you
do, then these may be part of your problem.
Cheers
Dave
On 14 Jul 2014, at 02:33, Alex Hall wrote:
> Hi all,
> I know we've done this
David Taylor wrote:
> I wonder how anybody thinks national legislation can have any serious impact
> on the internet given that the internet is global, and most corporations can
> site their sites wherever they like?
What matters is not the jurisdiction in which the site is hosted, but the
juris
I wonder how anybody thinks national legislation can have any serious impact on
the internet given that the internet is global, and most corporations can site
their sites wherever they like? It only takes one country not to adopt any such
law for it to become meaningless
On 13 Jul 2014, at 22:4
David Chittenden wrote:
> Apple stated, in response to a challenge during a recent quarterly
> sstockholders meeting, that it costs them $35 per iOS device for VoiceOver,
> that they will not stop this practice even though they do not earn a profit
> from it, and that the stockholder can sell thei
I agree with this. I hope Apple is smart enough to know NFB does not
speak for all blind people any more than any other organization speaks
for all members of a group.
NFB may be forced to make some changes because that is what the
membership wants. If NFB does not represent the members they wil
I can totally agree with what you are saying. I think all companies
should work to make products more accessible. There are reasons why
that can't happen with Android but I believe they should be pushed as
hard. I believe in choices in all products.
I was not referring to Mark driving a car aro
marianne,
Perhaps this should be off list, but I want to voice it here. I'm not
directly attacking NFB, but I'm attacking what I've seen and how I feel
about what's happening.
Firstly, the resolution caught me off guard. While mark is the new
president, he was pretty much appointed by Dr. Mau
Ray,
No one is listening. They are hellbound to make their positions
known and they will defend their opinions to the end. In the end, this
is nothing more than a political debate and as such, will never reach a
consensus until everyone gets too damn tired to go on. Congress is
afflicted wi
I agree that Apple was singled out on this resolution. I don't know
what other resolutions they passed or if they have passed resolutions
related to other companies in the passed since I have never attended a
national convention. I hope NFB is working in many areas related to
accessibility whethe
Apple stated, in response to a challenge during a recent quarterly
sstockholders meeting, that it costs them $35 per iOS device for VoiceOver,
that they will not stop this practice even though they do not earn a profit
from it, and that the stockholder can sell their Apple stock if they have a
NFB and ACB are both organizations that work to improve the lives of
people in the U.S. who are blind. Their membership votes on
resolutions they believe accomplish this. I believe the internet, all
computers and all programs and apps should be accessible. I believe
it is possible and will suppo
If ACB passes a similar resolution, I will pick on ACB exactly and precisely
the same way. Why are you so profoundly defending NFB whilst claiming
otherwise?
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone
> On 14 Jul 2014, at 15:09, Marian
Hi,
If, without VO sound, you have difficulties determining whether VO is on or off
and various other things, note the following:
* If you simply press the physical Unlock switch, then attempt to adjust the
volume, it will not be changed.
* You must get to the regular Home screen or to your Pas
No, Apple was singled out because of a resolution. Unless you can show similar
resolutions for all of Apple's competitors, or you can show that the resolution
actually says either each of the company names, or it says all tech companies,
the fact is Apple is being very specifically singled out.
I believe someone earlier stated that NFB was a cult. How can it be a
cult if there was resistance to this legislation. I hope there was
resistance and discussion. I hope that of all deliberative bodies.
We don't all agree on anything. I don't believe all is possible at
this point in time. I n
What an interesting way of completely avoiding the very real points I raise.
My answer is: follow the money. You will find the answers there.
In this particular case, I find it very coincidental that Kirtus Chung wrote an
article in June which very nicely attacked iOS accessibility. There was qu
Why should any single organization, no matter what it is called work from a
generalized stereotypes, that since all blind people are interchangeable the
same, that they can rightly speak as an entire population?
Frankly based on other wisdom, I feel sure Apple will smartly just ignore
the NFB's
Did you read the actual blog? stating that this resolution was voted on
passed in spite of Resistance, and will stand even with the criticism?
Apple is the only company subject to this all mandate.
It might surprise some of you that in the global mobile marketplace Apple
is second to android
Problem was that i had to reconnect to the wireless network after upgrading to
Mavericks.
Regards, Feliciano
Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
Sent from the Super-iPhone
> On Jul 13, 2014, at 7:58 PM, "Tim Kilburn" wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> You likely need to re-sign into the App Store. P
If you will check out the website of NFB you will see two trainings
this fall that address trainings.
I certainly don't always agree with NFB or ACB and no organization
speaks for all of its members. Women's organizations don't represent
all women... The resolution passed represents the beliefs
I believe NFB is working with all of these companies to encourage
improved accessibility. You are just hearing about Apple because of a
news article.
On 7/13/14, David Chittenden wrote:
> Correct, until Apple released VoiceOver on the iPhone 3GS in 2009, it was
> well-known, and well-researched,
And i must add again, why is it the place of the nfb to presume that their
working with apple or anyone else translates into some sort of uniform
equal for speaking for every person who experiences sight loss?
why should they presume this right, this voice over say the very wise
individuals on
David, I am not sure why you hate NFB so much. I believe both NFB and
ACB have accomplished good things and there are things I do not agree
with. NFB now has a new president and instead of immediately
condemning him why not see how things work out? I believe all apps
can be accessible. Now may
Hi,
You likely need to re-sign into the App Store. Press VO-m to go up to the
menubar, arrow right to the Store menu and arrow down to the Sign In item and
re-sign in to the App Store.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Jul 12, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Jessica D wrote:
> Try VO MM t
David Chittenden wrote:
> So, let's consider what would most likely happen if Apple should be stupid
> enough to do what the NFB resolution is demanding, only from Apple. Apple
> creates a policy in their App Store which says all apps must be VO
> accessible. Considering that this will not be po
Hi,
What exactly do you mean by "Sleep Timing"? Within the Energy Saver pane, you
can tell your machine how long to wait before going to sleep, you can tell it
separately between the computer itself and/or the display, and within the
Schedule dialog, you can tell it to Sleep/wake/shutdown/rest
Correct, until Apple released VoiceOver on the iPhone 3GS in 2009, it was
well-known, and well-researched, that blind people would not be able to use a
touchscreen device the same way sighted people do. In fact, Google, in
conjunction with a major university, approached Apple in 2008 with a prop
Hi,
I'd be interested to assist you wherever possible. I use a Gmail iMap account
through work, an iCloud account for this list and other iMap or POP accounts
for various other purposes. As the Gmail account I use is for work, it is an
extremely important account and, other than the issues wh
Yes, the NFB president really wants to become "in" with Apple so he can attempt
to influence Apple's policies around VoiceOver access to apps written by third
party developers.
So, let's consider what would most likely happen if Apple should be stupid
enough to do what the NFB resolution is dem
Hi,
Sorry, I've been out of town this weekend so haven't been checking my mail
much. As mentioned by others, iCloud is actually free and the syncing of
Contacts and such is seamless and done in the background when you use iCloud
Contact syncing. It is simple to set up as all you need to do is
I have included the actual blog below so people can read it and judge
for themselves. I think this is a good discussion even though it is
off topic for using Apple products.Comments on Apple and NFB
Resolution 2014-12
Submitted by mriccobono on Fri, 07/11/2014 - 16:59
Blog Date:
Friday,
According to what I read from the president, it is because Apple has
gone above and beyond the requirements to make things accessible. He
has nothing but praise for Apple and their response. There is no
threat in the resolution that was passed. It is an effort to work
with Apple. Microsoft and,
It is still doesn't discount the fact that NFB is picking Apple from
the rest o the bunsh. If NFB is so interested in promoting
accessibility across all platform, why not Microsoft? Why not Google?
Why target purely at Apple?
So, yes, is that a punishment for Apple from NFB because Apple has
been
You do bring up an interesting point. I don't think your analogy is
too good but Apple is doing a great job. I don't believe NFB is
punishing Apple. According to what I read, NFB is trying to work with
Apple to increase the number of accessible apps. One example is the
Microsoft suite of produc
Hi all,
I know we've done this before, but I just can't quite get the hang of
Spotlight. I can do searches, and I use it all the time to launch apps. the
problem is when there are multiple matches, and I need to find an item that
doesn't come up as the top hit. Whenever I have to investigate the
Cheree Heppe here:
I am operating an Iphone 4S on AT&T. I also operate an Ipad Mini and and IPad
II.
Since Saturday, July 12, all mentioned devices blip off as far as VoiceOver is
concerned. My daughter says the Ipad looks dead. It won't re-start when the
lock/unlock and home button are pres
So Erik, what you are saying is that, when your kid performing very,
very well at school, always gets 90 points in every exams, while
the rest is hobbing around 30 points, rarely pass the test, is okay
for the school principle to point your kid out in public, and punish
your kid by asking him to
It sounds like you have some dust or dirt keeping the microswitch open. the
switch that leads to the earplugs is a very small switch and a little piece of
dust can keep it propped open fooling the iPhone into thinking that something
is plugged in. Thus no sound will be played through the speaker
Unlock the iPhone so you are on the main home screen.
Unplug headphones or external speakers.
Perform a two-finger flick up to engage VoiceOver. It will be engaged even
though you do not hear it.
Start pressing the volume up button repeatedly to raise the VO volume for the
internal speaker. iO
When a resolution singles out one specific company by name, this means that one
specific company is being targeted! If the resolution was about multiple
companies being approached for increasing accessibility, it would have said so.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobil
I also think it makes sense to push the one that is most accessible.
Some of the others make it very clear they just don't care. Apple
believes we are a market. Apple, like all other companies, is about
making a profit.
We give them our loyalty but ask them to do more. They have chosen to
tightl
Existing ones won't confert back, the option is only as you type them. Write a
line with quotes included, being sure that the Smart Quotes setting is off (I
don't know if it is a per-document setting or not) and see what happens then.
Also give the pronunciation dictionary trick a shot, as other
NFB works on many different resolutions. Have you seen an entire list
of their resolutions from this convention? I assume ACB will put out
a list of resolutions after their convention too. They are both
democratic organizations that put up resolutions for a vote. Their
membership who attended t
Ok, I tried turning off Smart Quotes directly in Pages itself through the
options you gave. Smart Quotes was checked. Unfortunately, after unchecking it
and my punctuation level being set to most I read a line or two that contained
quotes but Voiceover still wouldn't read them out to me.
So, wh
Yes, I restarted my iPhone first thing before I even tried to get the volume
back using the speaker. Nothing doing. In fact, this is so bad, that if I
didn't have a sighted person present, I have not a clue how I would get the
volume back. The only thing I didn't try is to reset it with the home
Have you rebooted your phone?
Br
On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> Hi there
> I just had the same thing happened to me on my 5S also. I was running
> BlindSquare, and my phone went dead. At least, it might as well as them. I
> can get Siri to answer me, but nothing good
Hi there
I just had the same thing happened to me on my 5S also. I was running
BlindSquare, and my phone went dead. At least, it might as well as them. I can
get Siri to answer me, but nothing good happened. It would let me use the
earphones, my sided husband had to bring up the volume while in
did you get a defective device? did you call or email apple accessibility? To
call them; dial, 18772043930 or to email them, send a message to
accessibil...@apple.com.
Hint: I find it quickest to call the number I gave above and actually talk to
someone, they can insure that the problem gets to
I doubt very much that track numbers will ever factor into iTunes Match
matching. As long as the details of the track are reasonable, i.e. including
album and name, you should be all right. The bulk of the work of identifying a
song is actually down to the sound data itself, and not the file m
Hi folks.
Hope someone can help me with the following issue:
My iPhone 5S has no sound in either the speaker or earpice.
I turned on and off VoiceOver to see if that's the issue, but no sound.
When connecting the phone to an external speakers, there is sound, and I can
hear VoiceOver.
When callin
Wait a few hours and try to reopen your Gmail "All Mail" folder. Deletions
take a very long time. Eventually, assuming you've correctly performed a
delete and expunge, your All Mail should be empty or very nearly empty, and all
the mail should be in Trash, from whence, in 30 days or so, it wil
In Pages, go to the Edit menu, open the Substitutions submenu, and see if the
option is checked in there. Also, and I haven't tried this, but what if you
pasted in a "fancy" quote when adding a new entry to VO's pronunciation
dictionary, and set the pronunciation to quote? That may, but may not,
Hi Alex, I did read my own message with the mail app and it did read the quotes
out to me. With my puntuaion level set to most.
What is this smart quote thing that you mentioned? Maybe I can take a look and
turn it off to see if that will work with Pages.
If you provide me with directions on how
Hello,
This maybe slightly off the thread, but when I have things in the doc that have
similar spellings, I will choose to go to sotlight and access the app from
there. That's what I enjoy about the Mac, there are many ways to get where one
wants to go. HTH.
Eileen
Sent from my iPhone
> On
"the blind," need to stop waiting for some higher power to "make things
accessible." accessibility is different for every individual, and only the
broadest measures of any sort are useful across the board. Expecting an ADA or
other body of law to universally open doors is a myth. Disability i
Right, and NFB is solely targeting Apple, so they are focused on just Sears
being accessible, while ignoring all the other stores. Sorry, your argument
does not hold up.
Additionally, if Apple were to be so idiotic, given that we are such a small
population, it would drive app developers over t
Read your own message with punctuation set to most, and see if you hear the
quotes. I did, and my level is at most. What I'm trying to work out is if this
is specific to Pages somehow, or if it has to do with a substitution. I've
noticed that when Smart Quotes is on, replacing normal quotes with
So because it must be a difficult thing for a moderator to keep
order on a list that everyone can go way off course until they are told
to get back on track? That would suggest people lack common sense and
courtesy and are unable to control themselves.
So where is that line that is so bl
Hi guys, using Pages 5.2 on the Mac and having my punctuation 1st set to some
then tested again with most, again, which also failed.
Is it possible to get Voiceover announce quotes when someone is speaking? For
example.
James: "Hello, nice weather today isn't."
Jill: "Indeed it certainly is."
Il giorno 13/lug/2014, alle ore 20:29, Anders Holmberg
ha scritto:
> You can use something called brltty which is for the console on linux but it
> should work on the mac.
GB: Hi. I have a Alva Satellite 544, and try to use it with NVDA, under Windows
8.0 on VmWare Fusion machine with BRLTTY.
The below is the sort of thing I am talking about.
Furthermore, I would remind us all that back in 2011, the NFB failed a similar
resolution that sought to do the same thing. The reason it failed was because
of the condemeditory language it contained. The 2014-12 version does not
contain that
Hi!
Whats the name of the podcast?
It could be intresting to listen to.
You can use something called brltty which is for the console on linux but it
should work on the mac.
/A
12 jul 2014 kl. 00:19 skrev Anouk Radix :
> Hi,
> I am following a podcast that has some pretty nice basic terminal
> in
Cheree Heppe here:
It would seem a difficult task to be a moderater of a list such as this. The
topic does involve the IOS and MAC products, their development and future.
Running a list might almost be seen as a type of fiefdom or micro-ecology where
only certain items and iteas could be permit
Would you all please take the politics off the list? Go find a more
appropriate forum for this kind of debate that will continue to spin
endlessly.
Lets get back to OS X issues.
Quote of the nanosecond . . .
Do they ever shut up on your planet?
Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
E-mail-
gone.to
The title of the page is already the introduction. YoruFukurou has a function
to copy the currently browsed page title and URL into a tweet; I'm simply
looking for a way to add to that text from within Safari, without having to
install and configure the client.
Then again, by the time I have i
I had a feeling this was the case. I'll try this.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com
On Jul 13, 2014, at 1:03 PM, John Panarese wrote:
> Yes, if you type more than one letter, it should jump you to that item. For
> example, I have Safari and then System Preferences in my Dock. If I t
well... sort of mom! Since I was straying, I stopped feeding the
shifting sand with my thoughts.
Which is why I am not going to touch the shopping comment smiles.
back to her place in the corner,
Kare
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014, Kristeen Hughes wrote:
Karen,
You said this very well. I agree, but sti
I have purchased most of my own equipment and have maintained all
software and hardware maintenance agreements on the technology I have.
I believe the day will come when all stores will be accessible to us.
The technology for that is getting better and better. It would be
very difficult to mandat
Remember that you can reorganise the items in the dock. I have mine in
alphabetical order so the Finder/FineReader problem is quickly resolved.
Cheers,
Anne
On 13 Jul 2014, at 19:03, John Panarese wrote:
> Yes, if you type more than one letter, it should jump you to that item. For
> examp
Karen,
You said this very well. I agree, but still I must wonder if this is quite on
topic.
Kristeen
On Jul 12, 2014, at 9:36 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> Karen:
> I fully agree. It really does feel like we're slapping Apple in the face,
> forcing them to conform. I really really hope this
Speaking of accessible stores, I think this is a far better use of the NFB's
time--creating an accessibility standard for supermarkets and department stores
and drug stores, etc.--than trying to regulate how apps and virtual
environments are accessible. Every blind person has to shop--not every
No, a blog is not the same as a resolution but it is the
responsibility of the president of any organization to work on the
resolutions of the organization as he/she understands them. Mark was
explaining the resolution and how he plans to implement it. I thought
it was well thought out and hope p
Hi guys,
I want to permanently delete all of my GMail. I found a mailbox in Mail that
has mail going back to 2004 if you can believe it. But, I don't want any of
that mail synced over to my computer or in my GMail account. I've tried
delteing and exponging from the IMAP mailbox, but the mail ke
Yes, if you type more than one letter, it should jump you to that item. For
example, I have Safari and then System Preferences in my Dock. If I type,
"sy", it takes me right to System Preferences and skips Safari.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Em
I believe the resolutions of American Counsel of the Blind (ACB) use
very similar language in their resolutions. I believe both
organizations, and others around the world, do a lot to change the
lives of blind people around the world.
On 7/13/14, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
> It's just my opinio
Nope. But you're right, if you type the next letters, it will go there. To get
to applications instead of app store, I can type apple and there it is.
On Jul 13, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Jenine Stanley wrote:
> Before I send a friendly note to the good people at Apple Accessibility
> requesting this
Would you say it is okay for Sears to make their stores accessible but
Target doesn't have to because, after all, you can purchase what you
need at Sears? The same is true here. Who decides what should be
accessible and what should not. I did read the blog post and did not
find anything offensiv
It's just my opinion, but I think it's the divisive and antagonistic way in
which the NFB makes its resolutions which is the source of all the trouble. I
don't doubt that what they're advocating for is valid, but their pompous,
self-indulgent manner of doing it is highly aggravating and inflamm
Before I send a friendly note to the good people at Apple Accessibility
requesting this feature, let me make sure it's not already in existence.
When I go to the Doc, I have several apps that start with F. If I hit the
letter F it goes to Finder. If I hit f again, it stays on Finder. Should I
The beauty of this presentation is its inclusion.
I am amazed that many seem to think voiceover is a blindness product. It
is an adaptive tool useful and used by many populations.
The more one works from a place of single inclusiveness instead of the us
verses them separation thinking the more
While that's possible using applescript I'd recommend a much simpler solution.
Just send the "X is typing" as a system notification. You could target it just
to voiceover users but as a notification it may be more universally useful.
Here's a link on how to do that with applescript:
http://maco
Hi all.
Is there way to put and recall a bookmark while reading a long text with pages?
Thanks, Gabriel.
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Hello all. so I do have a question. I'm thinking about writing an apple script
on mac to notify a voiceover user when an I message user is typing and to have
it play a sound when it is not focused in the I message app. my question to you
all is, is there a way that this can be done using like an
Hi, guys,
I have not had a computer for a few weeks now, but my husband has a Windows
laptop. He found Yahoo Toolbar malware, which seems to have installed with the
latest update of UTorrent. I have no idea if the installer had an option to
skip this software. I just thought I'd let everyone kn
Hi,
You are basing so much on just a couple of examples here. There are at least as
many reverse examples where Mac does better. Also, if it's so easy to develop
in Microsoft land, why are metro apps so utterly lacking for keyboard use,
rather important on a computer, and rather widespread in W
I don't know about that. There's still a lot of stuff that I can't
reliably do with a decent speed on the Mac. I've had plenty of
accessibility consultants/trainers who use it to force them to use it
tell me the same thing. It's still not really a reliable ssh client,
lots of times it just skip
One wonders if this Jaws preoccupation is behind them putting so muc pressure
on Apple now too. Whatever Microsoft did in the past, they are undoing most of
it now, Apple really are miles ahead.
Cheers
Dave
On 13 Jul 2014, at 13:26, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> Hello:
> I can't speak to Google
Hi,
If you actually want people to read the link, you're much better introducing it
yourself and copying the URL. We won't see what it refers to in Yoru if so if
you don't provide relevant info, people won't follow anyway. Command-l
command-a command-c then go to Yoru, type your intro and comma
hello
Ann, do you still offer Pages training using Skype? If you do, please contact
me off list because I am interested in doing it. I thought I had your email
address so I could write you privately about this, but I guess I don't.
Regards,
Gigi
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Thanks to everyone who has responded to this.
I confess I hadn't got as far as hitting the captcha block on this. They only
put an rtf version on the site after I reminded them about the vagaries of pdf.
I'll mention this to them too.
In the meantime, it is also possible to email a response, wh
Hello:
I can't speak to Google. Microsoft has actually done a lot in terms of
accessibility, there was MSAA and now UIAA I think it is called, which
Jaws works with quite extensively. Microsoft's approach is slightly
different in that they provide the tools for a screen reader to bolt on
to wi
Hello.
I have just been listening to a presentation on the WWC app (you know, the one
that you can download from the App Store) where you can listen to apple's
keynote etc. Well, on there, there is a presentation done by an apple
representative and this person shows developers how to make apps
Hi all,
Anyone know of a way to share links on Twitter direct from Safari? I know
there is a share function, but it only copies the URL and not the title into
the tweet; the only other option appears to be to set up a full-fledged Twitter
client like YoruFukurou. But I was hoping for somethin
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