I wonder how anybody thinks national legislation can have any serious impact on the internet given that the internet is global, and most corporations can site their sites wherever they like? It only takes one country not to adopt any such law for it to become meaningless
On 13 Jul 2014, at 22:45, Marianne Denning <maria...@denningweb.com> wrote: > NFB works on many different resolutions. Have you seen an entire list > of their resolutions from this convention? I assume ACB will put out > a list of resolutions after their convention too. They are both > democratic organizations that put up resolutions for a vote. Their > membership who attended the convention approved this resolution. I am > not saying I fully agree with this resolution. I believe it is a step > in the right direction. If I had my way there would be legislation > similar to 504 that would require anything and everything on the > internet to be fully accessible to all screen readers. Not an > alternative website but the same website everyone uses. But that will > not happen any time soon so any moves we can make are improvements. > > On 7/13/14, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Right, and NFB is solely targeting Apple, so they are focused on just Sears >> being accessible, while ignoring all the other stores. Sorry, your argument >> does not hold up. >> >> Additionally, if Apple were to be so idiotic, given that we are such a small >> population, it would drive app developers over to Android where they do not >> need to meet so many requirements. >> >> How many blindness-related access companies, such as Freedom Scientific, >> focus on other disabilities besides blindness? >> >> These arguments fall apart in so many ways on so many levels. Even worse, >> they make us appear to be whiny and unappreciative, and encourage companies >> to completely stay away from blindness accessibility for fear of being >> targeted. Go after the companies that do not have accessibility as a core >> component of the business. If and when those companies achieve Apple's >> levels of accessibility,, encourage Apple to continue leading the way. >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 14 Jul 2014, at 5:00, Marianne Denning <maria...@denningweb.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Would you say it is okay for Sears to make their stores accessible but >>> Target doesn't have to because, after all, you can purchase what you >>> need at Sears? The same is true here. Who decides what should be >>> accessible and what should not. I did read the blog post and did not >>> find anything offensive about it. We, on this list, have been >>> extremely frustrated when we update to a new version of an app and >>> find it no longer accessible and we can't go back to a previous >>> version. We also have asked if certain apps are accessible before we >>> go out and make the purchase. I thank everyone who spends time and >>> money determining the accessibility of an app. >>> >>> Furthermore, someone else pointed out that many people use voiceover >>> for many different reasons. We should want all apps to be accessible >>> with voiceover so all users have access to those apps. NFB is only >>> concerned about blind people because that is their audience but if >>> apps are accessible to anyone who uses voiceover than many people will >>> also benefit. >>> >>>> On 7/12/14, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>>> Oh indeed? >>>> And to think the president in the before referenced blog demonstrates >>>> the >>>> sweetness of this idea by noting that the NFB gave awards to Apple. >>>> Failed to mention that Apple did not show. >>>> This is seeming more good natured by the moment. >>>> Still my greater point is this. No apple user on this list or anywhere >>>> requires the nfb to speak for them. Most especially not if the NFb >>>> plans >>>> to project its limited plug & play concept of blindness into >>>> development. >>>> Train those who speak their party line to be developers and ask Apple to >>>> include their editions in the ap store. >>>> Leave the objective respect of the individual end user alone. >>>> Kare >>>> <who needs t stop before a mod puts her in the corner lol.> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2014, David Chittenden wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes, and the fact is, all companies think in terms of what is good for >>>>> the >>>>> business. The message NFB is sending with this current bludgeoning >>>>> resolution attack is, when a company does more than any other company >>>>> toward accessibility, we are going to single you out and attack you. >>>>> Will >>>>> this actually encourage any company to increase accessibility, or will >>>>> it >>>>> send the message that, if you focus more on accessibility, you will get >>>>> singled out and attacked. Yes, this is a very good and productive way >>>>> to >>>>> encourage accessibility, not! >>>>> >>>>> So, I have been asking myself, why would NFB do something like this? I >>>>> am >>>>> reminded how in-sensed NFB was when Apple refused to send an executive >>>>> to >>>>> the NFB National Convention a few years ago to receive the award NFB >>>>> gave >>>>> Apple then. In fact, Apple has never sent an official representative to >>>>> an >>>>> NFB National Convention. Now, NFB's actions seem more understandable. >>>>> >>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On 13 Jul 2014, at 12:40, Pamela Francis <gypsykitt...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> I personally am not in favor of this resolution; not because I don't >>>>>> want >>>>>> accessibility. Apple took the lead in making its products accessible >>>>>> without government or organizational intervention. Microsoft, on the >>>>>> other hand, allowed third-party vendors to do its work within >>>>>> accessibility. Google, though it has come along way, still does not >>>>>> want >>>>>> to adhere to its own standards unless it is pressed. >>>>>> If there was a resolution to be had, it should've been a blanket >>>>>> resolution for all companies dealing with accessibility. Picking on >>>>>> Apple, is as if we as a blind community are slapping it in the face >>>>>> given >>>>>> that it has continued its efforts to remain accessible. I understand >>>>>> the >>>>>> need for utilitarian apps such as maps, transit maps, notes, lists, >>>>>> etc. >>>>>> to remain accessible as they are a necessary function in normal life. >>>>>> However, just to use as an example I don't necessarily need Angry >>>>>> Birds >>>>>> to be accessible for my benefit nor do I need it to be threatened to >>>>>> be >>>>>> kicked from the app store due to inaccessibility for the sake of >>>>>> millions >>>>>> of people who enjoy it. >>>>>> As we continue to strive for accessibility in all areas, we need not be >>>>>> a >>>>>> bully to the company that went out of its way to make its products >>>>>> accessible from the beginning. >>>>>> We also do not need to be put into a societal box allowing electronics >>>>>> manufacturers, appliance manufacturers, and the general public to >>>>>> believe >>>>>> that all we are capable of is operating an iPhone. We are on the cusp >>>>>> of >>>>>> choice. We have fought for choice for a long time. This type of a >>>>>> resolution makes us look militant and ungrateful. What is fair for >>>>>> one >>>>>> company is fair for all. >>>>>> Pam Francis >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 12, 2014, at 9:28 AM, Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The NFB Resolution is very important for all blind and low vision all >>>>>> over the world. We all want accessible digital future. >>>>>> >>>>>> A link to a comment from the president in NFB: >>>>>> https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/comments-apple-and-nfb-resolution-2014-12 >>>>>> >>>>>> Take care >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an >>>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an >>>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Marianne Denning, TVI, MA >>> Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired >>> (513) 607-6053 >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > Marianne Denning, TVI, MA > Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired > (513) 607-6053 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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