> On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 11:24:05AM -0700, Bo Peng wrote:
> > > Have you considered adding LyX to a Knoppix cdrom and running
> > > that in a Microsoft machine?
> >
> > Reboot,
Not needed in the age of virtual machines.
> > writing something that can not be viewed and printed under
> > windows,
> You can easily make a pdf with lyx, the pdf is view/printable under windows.
> Not editable though. And a .lyx-file is a textfile, so textual content
> _can_ be extracted in an emergency without the lyx binary. I agree that it
> won't be fun though.
>
> Lyx preferences? Set things up so they'r
On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 11:24:05AM -0700, Bo Peng wrote:
> =>Have you considered adding LyX to a Knoppix cdrom and running that in a
> > Microsoft machine?
>
> Reboot, writing something that can not be viewed and printed under
> windows, no access to emails and other materials under windows, n
Am Freitag, 7. Oktober 2005 20:10 schrieb Bo Peng:
> > The last time I installed LyX on winxp with a student the total
installation
> > time was about 20 minutes.
>
> Python, perl, mingw, imagemagik, tetek, lyx (and maybe ghostscript,
> ghostview) in 20 min? I can not believe it.
Sorry, I was a
I myself have recently suspended use of lyx, after at least 3 months of
daily use.
I was running it on linux, and then when I needed to use Windows on a daily
basis, I managed to get it installed there.
What discouraged me was not the fact that I hadn't acquired the lyx
mentality, but rather that I
Someone should make a "knoppix for windows" out of coLinux -- it would be
a bootable CD, but with an autorun file on it so if you slip it into
the cupholder
in a booted windows box, it throws up an X server and runs colinux to drive it.
It would take more than an afternoon, creating this item.
On
> > lyx file get 'corrupted' soon
My adviser did not know what went wrong except that his lyx file could
not be compiled. (It was actually caused by the \texrm{\times}
problem.) So, after all, lyx file was not corrupted.
> I used SWP in the mid-1990s. I had to stop because it kept inserting
> unk
Bo Peng wrote:
lyx file
get 'corrupted' soon
I used SWP in the mid-1990s. I had to stop because it kept inserting
unknown binary characters in my .tex files that made them not compile on
other machines (as when I would email the files to co-authors). I have
not seen lyx do that, or introdu
> I guess we should ephasize the relationship of LaTeX to LyX (or vice
> versa) and ask developers to take care of the VERY *basic* and *most*
> frequently happening "inconsistencies."
As I have said, there are not many such 'basic' things.
\textrm{\times} is the single most annoying one.
> The r
Bo Peng wrote:
Yes. I also do full installation of miktex and it *is* slow. I think
this is acceptable since lyx is a wrapper of latex. What I am trying
to achieve is packing *everything else* together by removing perl and
mingw, including a minimal python interpreter and convert.exe, even
those
> I doubt that by "all the prerequisites" you meant to include miktex. I
> have installed miktex a few times on Windows XP machines, doing a full
> installation, and it took about an hour every time. Granted, I could
> have done a "medium" or "small" install, but would it really save me a
> lot of
Bo Peng wrote:
Reboot, writing something that can not be viewed and printed under
windows, no access to emails and other materials under windows, no way
to save personal lyx perference (I may be wrong here)? No, I
personally will not do this.
You can have Knoppix keep a home directory (with you
I think the original problem (apart from installation) was that there
are things people expect to work and they simply don't. Tweaking
appearance is not one of these. For majority of journals/conferences
there are already layouts... As for department-specific thesis
requirements, that's differe
Georg Baum wrote:
The last time I installed LyX on winxp with a student the total installation
time was about 20 minutes. This included the prerequisites like minsys,
python etc. as well as tweaking the configuration to include our local
thesis class, toolbar etc. I don't think this time is too l
=>Have you considered adding LyX to a Knoppix cdrom and running that in a
> Microsoft machine?
Reboot, writing something that can not be viewed and printed under
windows, no access to emails and other materials under windows, no way
to save personal lyx perference (I may be wrong here)? No, I
On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Paul Smith wrote:
Yes, it is painfully a very long installation process for MS Windows
users. Most of the time, I use Linux, but sometimes I am in places
where there are only MS Windows machines, and once I had to install it
on a MS Windows computer.
Paul,
Have you consi
> The last time I installed LyX on winxp with a student the total installation
> time was about 20 minutes.
Python, perl, mingw, imagemagik, tetek, lyx (and maybe ghostscript,
ghostview) in 20 min? I can not believe it.
> This included the prerequisites like minsys, python etc. as well as
> tweak
On 10/7/05, Bo Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If we can keep a new user for a week, we will have him for good. After
> lyx/latex becomes irreplaceable, he will join this list and learn some
> latex and advanced lyx. The situation now is that most (windows) users
> are scared away by the long ins
Bo Peng wrote:
> I was no talking about format tweaking, rather, I was complaining
> about installation, configuration and erroneous error messages when
> entering a small formula. These are things that drive potential lyx
> users away, who I assume are trying lyx/latex exactly because they do
> n
On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Rich Shepard wrote:
> Some time during the late 1990s, coffee shop retail clerks around
> here came up with the idea of putting jars on the counters for tips. I
> think it's foolish to tip a counter clerk, but a lot of people stuff
> dollar bills in there in addition to the
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rich Shepard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed:
>One of the biggest hurdles for users to pass is the compulsion to tweak
> minor appearance details.
My explanation of the LaTeX/LyX philosphy is:
Word processors make it easy to get the pages that look exactly like
you want them
On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please do, at least so that I can figure out what you meant with the
paragraph above ;-)
Christian,
Some time during the late 1990s, coffee shop retail clerks around here came
up with the idea of putting jars on the counters for tips. I think it'
On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Rich Shepard wrote:
>Perhaps the LyX web site needs to take a clue from the tip containers
> that sprouted on the counters of coffee shops here about a dozen years
> ago. There should be a large banner on the first page that reads, "If
> you fear change, send it to us to su
> I cannot address the mindset of the Microserf,
I was not comparing lyx to M$ Word. If I did compare lyx to some other
application, it was SWP which I trashed years ago but is gaining
popularity day by day. If my word about userfriendlyness reminded you
about M$, M$ deserves it.
> but I can offe
On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Bo Peng wrote:
If we can keep a new user for a week, we will have him for good. After
lyx/latex becomes irreplaceable, he will join this list and learn some
latex and advanced lyx. The situation now is that most (windows) users are
scared away by the long installation process
> People will eventually want to use some package
> unsupported by LyX or do some kind of customization and then they will
> simply have to learn LaTeX.
If we can keep a new user for a week, we will have him for good. After
lyx/latex becomes irreplaceable, he will join this list and learn some
lat
Bo Peng wrote:
> Along the same line, is there any way to prevent a user from using a
> environment in the wrong context? For example, inserting a marginal
> note in a float figure is not allowed in latex, but can be done in
> lyx. Maybe we can disable certain environment/menu items dynamically.
>
I get his first complain against lyx today: "The lyx file is corrupted
after I edit your formula, I hope that you can open this file...". The
real problem, as I later found out, is that he accidentally inserted a
math symbol \times in a \textrm box, a problem I had asked for a
thorough solution
> This is http://bugzilla.lyx.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1527
I am glad that this is at least considered as a bug. This problem has
annoyed every new lyx user I know so it is on the top of my lyx FAQ
list.
Along the same line, is there any way to prevent a user from using a
environment in the wrong cont
Bo Peng wrote:
> I get his first complain against lyx today: "The lyx file is corrupted
> after I edit your formula, I hope that you can open this file...". The
> real problem, as I later found out, is that he accidentally inserted a
> math symbol \times in a \textrm box, a problem I had asked for
On 10/3/05, Bo Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Oh, I see, this is poor men's scientific workplace".
>
I get his first complain against lyx today: "The lyx file is corrupted
after I edit your formula, I hope that you can open this file...". The
real prob
"Oh, I see, this is poor men's scientific workplace".
This was my advisor's comment when I installed lyx on his windows
machine so that he can edit my lyx files. Previously, we had to
depend on the latex export/import function of his SWP and my lyx.
Neither of them work rel
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