I need to set some Clarinet in A parts (including quotes) for B♭
Clarinet players. My current attempt:
%%%
clI = { \transposition a \key c \major c'4 d' e' } % Copied from the
original parts
\addQuote "clI" \clI
clII = { \transposition a \key c \major \quoteDuring "clI" s4 b4 c' }
<<
\ne
El 14/3/20 a las 0:18, antlists escribió:
On 13/03/2020 11:29, Francisco Vila wrote:
So my question for Kieren is, for large scores involving transposing
wind instruments along with strings etc, how do you manage this by
using only clefs and no transposition?
This is a double question, seein
On 13/03/2020 11:29, Francisco Vila wrote:
So my question for Kieren is, for large scores involving transposing
wind instruments along with strings etc, how do you manage this by
using only clefs and no transposition?
This is a double question, seeing as wind instruments rarely transpose
by
El 15/2/20 a las 18:10, Kieren MacMillan escribió:
Hi Pierre-Luc,
I now feel a weight have been lifted from my shoulders.
Well, I hope we don’t hear from you years from now saying “For what it's worth,
I wish somebody would have told me earlier that I
should use clefs rather than transpositi
Hi Pierre-Luc,
> I now feel a weight have been lifted from my shoulders.
Well, I hope we don’t hear from you years from now saying “For what it's worth,
I wish somebody would have told me earlier that I
should use clefs rather than transpositions.” LOL
Cheers,
Kieren.
_
Hello again Kieren,
Sort of a pedantic conversation here but anyway, the way I manage
transposition is :
I write music somewhere :
piccolo = { c'''4 }
clarinet = { c''4 }
violin = { c'' }
guitar = { e, }
bass = { e,, }
\addQuote "x" \x
Then I define the parts :
piccoloPart = \transpose c' c {
Hello.
On Sun, 19 Apr 2015 10:00:46 -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote:
Hi Gilles,
[...]
Another thing: For me, also the implementation of transposing
instruments is less than ideal (I prefer to write the pitches in
concert pitch and have them transposed for the parts, rather than
the
other way
Hi Gilles,
>> [...]
>>
>> Another thing: For me, also the implementation of transposing
>> instruments is less than ideal (I prefer to write the pitches in
>> concert pitch and have them transposed for the parts, rather than the
>> other way around
Hi.
[Sorry for the thread hijacking.]
[...]
Another thing: For me, also the implementation of transposing
instruments is less than ideal (I prefer to write the pitches in
concert pitch and have them transposed for the parts, rather than the
other way around, as it is implemented at the moment
Folks, every discourse community has implicit assumptions, and the music
community is no different both in its jargon and in its score conventions.
Guitar transposes down the octave unless the score states otherwise.
Contrabass and contrabassoon sound an octave lower than written. Piccolos
s
than "music-concert-pitch" to me. Although I see in the readme file that
you are rethinking things, so maybe this is a moot point.
Cheers,
-Paul
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Hello,
I added a snippet to open-lily-lib:
https://github.com/openlilylib/snippets/tree/master/editorial-tools/auto-transpose
README follows.
Best, Jan-Peter
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Hi again,
I didn't actually tell what the engraver is actually for:
The "autoTranspose"-engraver transposes music automatically, if there
are three context-properties set:
* instrumentTransposition is the pitch, which is set by \transposition
* music-concert-pitch tells whether the music in this c
Hi there,
... now, who's late ;)
I read a few of the messages regarding the given subject. I don't have a
once-and-for-all-solution, but I want bring in another scheme-engraver:
It uses context-properties 'instrumentTransposition, (newly defined)
'music-concert-pitch' and 'print-concert-pitch'.
Hi David,
sounds like a deal. Let me know when you're able to work on it and
maybe also the amount of sponsoring you'll need...
Yours,
Orm
Am Samstag, den 10. Mai 2014 um 15:21:40 Uhr (+0200) schrieb David Kastrup:
>
> I'm thinking about it, but no timeline.
>
> Basically, it requires reworki
Kieren MacMillan writes:
> You have to put the key information redundantly in each instrumentalist’s
> music.
>
> A better [i.e, more maintainable and “object-oriented”] approach is this:
>
> global = {
> \key a \minor s1*8
> \key e \minor s1*4
> \key c \major s1*10
> }
>
> and then in bot
Kieren MacMillan writes:
> Hi all,
>
>> I'd be very willing to sponsor this, if there is a feasible solution
>> within a reasonable amount of time.
>
> I paid Han-Wen to upgrade switchInstrument four or five years ago —
> I’m happy to sponsor more improvements!
I'm thinking about it, but no time
Hi all,
> I'd be very willing to sponsor this, if there is a feasible solution
> within a reasonable amount of time.
I paid Han-Wen to upgrade switchInstrument four or five years ago — I’m happy
to sponsor more improvements!
Best,
Kieren.
—
Kieren MacMillan, composer
www:
Hi List,
glad I'm not the only one with this use case! As I understand the
situation it is a non-trivial matter to get properly implemented.
My offer to sponsor this still holds (especially if it gets done in
the next two months) but it seems no one with the necessary skills
will implement it, s
Hi David,
> I am curious as to what are the "killer" use cases?
I compose and arrange music theatre works (amongst other things). In the pit,
we almost always have a multi-wind player. A very normal part would see that
one person playing:
mm 1-10 on Bb clarinet
mm. 20-42 on [C+8] piccol
in orchestra score (Orm Finnendahl)
>6. Re:Transposing instruments in orchestra score (David Kastrup)
>7. Re:Trill span problem (Simon Albrecht)
>
>
> ----------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 19:18:23 -0400
> From: Kieren MacMillan
> To: David Kastrup
>
Orm Finnendahl writes:
> Hi all,
>
> as I understand the situation, the most convenient situation for all
> would be the possibility of a context switch in mid-score affecting
> the way lilypond is interpreting (seeing) the pitches, which could get
> changed globally by including different files
Hi all,
as I understand the situation, the most convenient situation for all
would be the possibility of a context switch in mid-score affecting
the way lilypond is interpreting (seeing) the pitches, which could get
changed globally by including different files with redefinitions of
the context-s
Kieren MacMillan writes:
> Hello all,
>
> Sorry I’m late to the party…
>
> A critical feature of a proper and useable multi-instrumentalist
> framework would be the ability to put in global variables which
> include the key signature(s) for the work, and the part would present
> the correct trans
Hello all,
Sorry I’m late to the party…
A critical feature of a proper and useable multi-instrumentalist framework
would be the ability to put in global variables which include the key
signature(s) for the work, and the part would present the correct transposition
of that key signature (as wel
Orm Finnendahl writes:
> Hi,
>
> sorry, I seem to have missed the replies to the thread and just reread
> them in the list archive.
>
> David, could you provide me with a hint on how to get the suggested
> masterToScore and masterToPart functions working? I guess this would
> be the most suitabl
Hi,
sorry, I seem to have missed the replies to the thread and just reread
them in the list archive.
David, could you provide me with a hint on how to get the suggested
masterToScore and masterToPart functions working? I guess this would
be the most suitable method for my purpose as I'm generati
Hi David,
thanks, sorry for not noticing this in your previous mail...
--
Orm
Am Donnerstag, den 08. Mai 2014 um 17:50:15 Uhr (+0200) schrieb David Kastrup:
> Orm Finnendahl writes:
>
> > Hi David,
> >
> > below is a minimal example. One of the disadvantages of this notation
> > is obvious,
Orm Finnendahl writes:
> Hi David,
>
> below is a minimal example. One of the disadvantages of this notation
> is obvious, if you render the file: Both parts are in the wrong
> octave. The "\relative c'" has to get moved inside the brackets of the
> \bclarinet and \eb-clarinet calls in order to
Hi David,
below is a minimal example. One of the disadvantages of this notation
is obvious, if you render the file: Both parts are in the wrong
octave. The "\relative c'" has to get moved inside the brackets of the
\bclarinet and \eb-clarinet calls in order to correct this. I'd much
prefer not ha
Saul Tobin writes:
> Naturally, but a music function like that misses the point. The
> current way isn't cumbersome because it's verbose, it's cumbersome
> because it requires breaking music into separate blocks using
> braces. What I'd like to be able to do is change the transposition
> like a c
Naturally, but a music function like that misses the point. The current
way isn't cumbersome because it's verbose, it's cumbersome because it
requires breaking music into separate blocks using braces. What I'd like
to be able to do is change the transposition like a context property, so
that I
Shevek writes:
> If I understand correctly, what Orm wants is to be able to write something
> like this:
>
> clarinet = \relative c' {
> \transposing bf
> c4 d e d |
> \transposing a
> c d e d
> }
>
> And get the output to show d e fs e ef f g f (using English spelling).
> Current
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Orm Finnendahl writes:
> Hi List,
>
> I'd like to write a part for a transposing instrument in sounding
> pitch, having the score printout in C and the part printout
> transposed. As far as I understand the docs,
Which ones? And which version?
> in this case I'd have to wrap the instrumental
t means I'd have to wrap all music for the changed
instrument in brackets for each switched part of the music.
Does somebody know how to solve this in a more elegant way? In general
it would be desirable to handle the definition of transposing
instruments just the other way
Guy Stalnaker gmail.com> writes:
> Thanks everyone who replied. I understand the relationship between
> /transpose and /transposition now. FYI the proper commands that produce
> the expected outcome is:
>
> /transpose f c' {
> /transposition c { %{ music in concert pitch ... %}
> }
> }
A
2013/2/1 David Kastrup :
>> I think you mean "\transposition is for displaying pitches only"
>
> Huh?
Argh.
>> I think the great feature you like so much is \transposition, which
>> lets you input notes in concerty pitch, shows an instrument
>> transposition correctly, and does not affect MIDI.
>
Francisco Vila writes:
> 2013/1/31 Guy Stalnaker :
>> Francisco,
>>
>> \transpose was working as expected -- the horn parts were rendered
>> the expected 5th higher. The issue was the midi output. It, too, was
>> rendered' a fifth higher.
>
> In other words: \transpose transposes music. You are r
2013/1/31 Guy Stalnaker :
> Francisco,
>
> \transpose was working as expected -- the horn parts were rendered the
> expected 5th higher. The issue was the midi output. It, too, was 'rendered' a
> fifth higher.
In other words: \transpose transposes music. You are right.
> I could not figure out
On 30 January 2013 19:47, David Kastrup wrote:
> There is a Midi-only command for _then_ telling LilyPond that the
> instrument is transposed. So you need to place your horn part within
>
> \transpose f c' { \transposition f ... }
>
> in order to have the visuals go up one fifth, and have the Mid
Francisco,
\transpose was working as expected -- the horn parts were rendered the expected
5th higher. The issue was the midi output. It, too, was 'rendered' a fifth
higher. I could not figure out how to use \transpose and also get the correct
midi output. David Kastrup explained how \transpose
El 30/01/2013 17:23, "Guy Stalnaker" escribió:
>
> Thanks everyone who replied. I understand the relationship between
/transpose and /transposition now. FYI the proper commands that produce the
expected outcome is:
>
> /transpose f c' {
> /transposition c {
> }
> }
>
>
Yes but transposition d
Thanks everyone who replied. I understand the relationship between /transpose
and /transposition now. FYI the proper commands that produce the expected
outcome is:
/transpose f c' {
/transposition c {
}
}
Guy Stalnaker
jstal...@wisc.edu
jimmyg...@gmail.com
On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:32 AM, W
Guy Stalnaker writes:
> I used to think I was smart :-\
>
> I'm arranging some church hymns for six-part instruments, Flute, 2
> Violins, 2 F Horns, 1 cello.
>
> Hymn is in F major. Arrangement is notated in LP in F major.
That means you have notation that is in pitch, and you want it to look a
Hi Guy,
Your problem is that you did not specify the language, then it
defaults to Dutch.
I guess you want:
\transpose bes, f { ... notes ... }
but:
\transpose f c' { }
does the same, both move you up exactly one kwint/scale.
Or:
\language "english"
The \transpose command really transposes your input. So the notation and
the sound (midi) is transposed.
For transposed instruments, this should help:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.16/Documentation/notation/displaying-pitches#instrument-transpositions
It introduces the \transposition command.
If you
I used to think I was smart :-\
I'm arranging some church hymns for six-part instruments, Flute, 2
Violins, 2 F Horns, 1 cello.
Hymn is in F major. Arrangement is notated in LP in F major. How do I
get the Horn parts correctly engraved in the proper key? I have tried
\transpose f c'
and
\
On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 02:03:49PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote:
> Gilles Sadowski writes:
>
> >> oboe = \relative c'' { \key g \minor d16 d8. ~ d4 }
> >> clarinetB = \relative c'' { \transposition bes c16 c8. ~ c4 }
> >> hornF = \relative c'' { \transposition f d16 d8. ~ d4 }
> >>
Gilles Sadowski writes:
>> oboe = \relative c'' { \key g \minor d16 d8. ~ d4 }
>> clarinetB = \relative c'' { \transposition bes c16 c8. ~ c4 }
>> hornF = \relative c'' { \transposition f d16 d8. ~ d4 }
>>
>> \score
>> {
>> <<
>> \new Staff \with { midiInstrument="oboe"
On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 08:12:20AM +0200, Helge Kruse wrote:
> Am 07.06.2012 17:23, schrieb Gilles Sadowski:
> >>besides some other voices. I know the name "Clarinet in B" but
> >
> >Likely, this should have been "Clarinet in Bb" where the small "b" is for
> >"flat" (i.e. a clarinet in B flat, wher
Am 07.06.2012 17:23, schrieb Gilles Sadowski:
besides some other voices. I know the name "Clarinet in B" but
Likely, this should have been "Clarinet in Bb" where the small "b" is for
"flat" (i.e. a clarinet in B flat, where a "c" on the clarinet will sound
as "b flat" in concert pitch).
You'r
Helge Kruse wrote:
> I am transcribing an autograph with an arrangement for a small
> orchestra. There are two transposing instruments: Clarinet in B and
> French horn in F. The piece itself is set in g minor (some parts also in
> g major).
As a side note, if your autograph is of G
Hi.
> I am transcribing an autograph with an arrangement for a small
> orchestra. There are two transposing instruments: Clarinet in B and
> French horn in F. The piece itself is set in g minor (some parts
> also in g major).
>
> The original score begins with this picture:
>
Helge Kruse gmx.net> writes:
> I am transcribing an autograph
It looks like you are entering notes as written for the instrument
(as opposed to entering notes in concert pitch) and that makes sense
for transcribing.
You need only \transposition to tell LilyPond the sounding pitch to
put in mi
Helge Kruse writes:
> I am transcribing an autograph with an arrangement for a small
> orchestra. There are two transposing instruments: Clarinet in B and
> French horn in F. The piece itself is set in g minor (some parts also
> in g major).
>
> The original score begins
On 2012-06-07 15:39, Helge Kruse wrote:
I am transcribing an autograph with an arrangement for a small
orchestra. There are two transposing instruments: Clarinet in B and
French horn in F. The piece itself is set in g minor (some parts also in
g major).
The original score begins with this
I am transcribing an autograph with an arrangement for a small
orchestra. There are two transposing instruments: Clarinet in B and
French horn in F. The piece itself is set in g minor (some parts also in
g major).
The original score begins with this picture:
oboe = \relative c''
I am transcribing an autograph with an arrangement for a small
orchestra. There are two transposing instruments: Clarinet in B and
French horn in F. The piece itself is set in g minor (some parts also in
g major).
The original score begins with this picture:
oboe = \relative c''
I hardly ever use the search function for LSR.
Some time ago I stumbled upon it while browsing snippets and regoogled it
now with "smart transpose LSR". Using Google's indexing seems to work a
lot faster than LSR search.
Best regards,
Jethro.
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010, Ole Schmidt wrote:
> What
What keyword did you type in the lsr search?
neither "transpose" nor "accidental" will lead to snipppet 266 here...
Am 18.07.2010 um 17:25 schrieb Jethro Van Thuyne:
> Hi,
>
> Have you taken a look at the smart-transpose snippet?
>
> http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=266
>
> Best regards,
Hi,
maybe this snippet helps?
http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Snippet?id=266
<>
for some strange reason it does not display when I type in "transpose"...
ole
Am 18.07.2010 um 17:03 schrieb Jatziri Valtierra:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Your suggestions help me very much, but now I have other proble
Hi,
Have you taken a look at the smart-transpose snippet?
http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=266
Best regards,
Jethro.
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010, Jatziri Valtierra wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Your suggestions help me very much, but now I have other problem whit
> the notes when I write des
Hi everyone,
Your suggestions help me very much, but now I have other problem whit
the notes when I write des or ges the transposing is incorrect in
atonal writing des - ces and ges - fes (and I want that des change to
b and ges change to e)
ej.
music = \relative c' { des ges }
<<
\new Staf
tes shifted. :)
Yes it seems obvious now!
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From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org on behalf of David
Rogers
Sent: Sat 7/17/2010 14:31
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: transposing instruments
* Wols Lists [2010-07-17 10:41]:
>As I s
* Wols Lists [2010-07-17 10:41]:
As I said, horses for courses, but I play the trombone, so original
source may be Bf or C, and my output parts may be Bf or C. So I find it
simpler just to transpose everything to C when copying the music in,
then transpose it back to what I want when outputting
On 17/07/10 05:02, James Lowe wrote:
> Jatziri,
>
Hi James, Jatziri,
>
> See:
>
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond-big-page#Transpose
>
> I regularly am given music in 'A' or 'C' to write out and transpose for
> B-flat for the small orchestra I am in (for example
ut process for me
until I have checked for any copying mistakes.
I hope this helps.
James
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Jatziri Valtierra
Sent: Sat 7/17/2010 2:18
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: transposing in
hi everybody, know how to write for transposing instruments (clarinet
in Bes, bass clarinet in Bes, flute in G) without write the key
because I was looking and I don't found nothing about it, all I've
found is written in the traditional form and my writing is atonal
therefore only cause
Kirill writes:
> Thank you all for your replies.
>
> As you might know, I am working on a Sibelius to LilyPond translator;
> and one of the aims is to generate .ly sources that are as close as
> possible to what a human would have written. Hence my asking about the
> best practices.
Well, I'd wr
Thank you all for your replies.
As you might know, I am working on a Sibelius to LilyPond translator; and one of
the aims is to generate .ly sources that are as close as possible to what a
human would have written. Hence my asking about the best practices.
Gilles,
Love your double \transpose tric
Kirill wrote:
I cannot quite find figure out from the manual which is a better practice when
typesetting transposing instruments (say, a B\flat clarinet):
1) Specifying \transposition bes { ... } and then writing out the
transposed part. Or
2) Using \transpose bes, c {\transposition bes
lly mess things up.
So I would not bother tweaking too much if you are finally going to
transpose in one key and it changes things.
James
Kirill wrote:
Hi LilyPond Gurus,
I cannot quite find figure out from the manual which is a better practice when
typesetting transposing instruments (say, a B\fl
Hello.
> I cannot quite find figure out from the manual which is a better practice when
> typesetting transposing instruments (say, a B\flat clarinet):
I use the following (assuming that the music contents is in variable
"clarinetNotes" and that the "global" variable
ctice when
typesetting transposing instruments (say, a B\flat clarinet):
1) Specifying \transposition bes { ... } and then writing out the
transposed part. Or
2) Using \transpose bes, c {\transposition bes ...} and notating in C?
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Hi LilyPond Gurus,
I cannot quite find figure out from the manual which is a better practice when
typesetting transposing instruments (say, a B\flat clarinet):
1) Specifying \transposition bes { ... } and then writing out the
transposed part. Or
2) Using \transpose bes, c {\transposition bes
2009/6/5 Peter Chubb :
> Francisco> Please use \transposition for this.
>
> \transposition doesn't sit well with MIDI output if you're going to do
> further transpositions.
>
> Try:
> \version "2.11.62'
> clarinet = \transpose bes c' { \transposition bes bes1 }
> flute = { bes1 }
>
> \score {
>
> "Francisco" == Francisco Vila writes:
Francisco> 2009/6/5 bernie arai :
>> i'm trying my hand at finally using the midi output of lilypond to
>> audition my scores (instead of relying on my horrid piano playing).
>> after a bit of messing around, and a while looking through the
>> docs, i'm
2009/6/5 bernie arai :
> i'm trying my hand at finally using the midi output of lilypond to
> audition my scores (instead of relying on my horrid piano playing).
> after a bit of messing around, and a while looking through the docs,
> i'm a bit stumped as to what to try next. i've defined instrume
> "bernie" == bernie arai writes:
bernie> i'm trying my hand at finally using the midi output of
bernie> lilypond to audition my scores (instead of relying on my
bernie> horrid piano playing). after a bit of messing around, and a
bernie> while looking through the docs, i'm a bit stumped as t
i'm trying my hand at finally using the midi output of lilypond to
audition my scores (instead of relying on my horrid piano playing).
after a bit of messing around, and a while looking through the docs,
i'm a bit stumped as to what to try next. i've defined instruments
for example:
tenorsax
Hello, Fodor:
I have a practical question about transposing instruments,
perhaps you have some experience.
Here's my opinion, from the perspective of:
1. Copyist -- enter the "concert" (i.e., sounding) pitch, to make it
easier to enter and reuse material
2. Conductor -- where pos
a conductor (although,
IANAC), it is much easier to have a C score, especially if the piece
contains funky screech-boink type chords. However, older music
traditionally is written scores with transposing instruments. That's
also preferred when the score is used for playing.
--
Han-W
e a practical question about transposing instruments, perhaps you have
> some experience.
> For example we make a c major score for Flute, Piano and Clarinet in Bb.
> What notation should be used for "c d e f" in the Clarinet part?
> I think it is natural to use \property Staf
Almost every score I've ever seen prints the notes in the instrument's
key. That is, the flute part (in C) might be in the key of G, but the
clarinet part (in B-flat) would be in the key of A. The one score I've
seen where all parts were written in C was next to useless for us--but
that was parti
I have a practical question about transposing instruments, perhaps you have
some experience.
For example we make a c major score for Flute, Piano and Clarinet in Bb.
What notation should be used for "c d e f" in the Clarinet part?
I think it is natural to use \property Staff.transposin
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