Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Archaic wrote these words on 08/04/05 23:32 CST: > Here is an argument, then: it isn't needed for a base development system > as proven by 6 years of its absence. There is no valid technical reason > to include it or exclude it. It's merely a choice. This can be said for many of the LFS packages.

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Chris Staub wrote these words on 08/04/05 19:30 CST: > I agree. All that's needed is to add a link to that section of BLFS in > the Shadow instructions. Besides, I thought tight security was what HLFS > existed for - the base LFS is mostly just to teach people how to create > a system that work

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Archaic wrote these words on 08/04/05 23:42 CST: > On Thu, Aug 04, 2005 at 11:39:06PM -0500, Randy McMurchy wrote: > >>This can be said for many of the LFS packages. Please provide an >>opinion on whether it should be added to the default LFS build. > > Link to BLFS only.

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Chris Staub wrote these words on 08/04/05 19:50 CST: > Then perhaps the BLFS instructions should be modified. No, the BLFS instruction do exactly as they are intended. To provide instructions to recompile Shadow if Linux-PAM is installed. My suggestion is to add CrackLib to LFS so that Shadow it

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Archaic wrote these words on 08/04/05 23:52 CST: > On Thu, Aug 04, 2005 at 11:46:46PM -0500, Randy McMurchy wrote: > >>There would be no link that we could offer in LFS that could assist >>the user in configuring Shadow to work with CrackLib. BLFS does not >>have such

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Justin R. Knierim wrote these words on 08/04/05 23:59 CST: > Glad to offer my opinion. Secure passwords are important, agreed. > However the users of the LFS system are varying. A user who built LFS > for the educational value or who wants a different password library or > who uses it on a s

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jim Gifford wrote these words on 08/05/05 00:07 CST: > Randy what educational value does cracklib add if it's used with Shadow > in LFS? Glad you asked Jim. Installing the CrackLib library and having Shadow link against it shows folks how to set up and use a word dictionary to guard against weak

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Chris Staub wrote these words on 08/05/05 00:05 CST: > That's what I mean - modify (or add to) the BLFS instructions so that it > explains how to use cracklib with shadow but without PAM. So what Chris, we should modify the Shadow instructions to include some instructions on how to compile if Li

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Archaic wrote these words on 08/05/05 00:18 CST: > I have already stated it. There is no *technical* reason for including > it in a base development system. That is not a reason to not include it. The technical reason I state is that it provides a mechanism to enforce strong passwords on the syst

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Justin R. Knierim wrote these words on 08/05/05 00:23 CST: > It is hard to give good arguments for this question. I cannot argue > that it isn't a useful library, and I use cracklib on every LFS system I > build, Yet you give a -1 for the simple addition of a single little old library (and its

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Chris Staub wrote these words on 08/05/05 00:28 CST: > Why keep them from setting their passwords to "password" if that's what > they want to do? They still can. :-) However, should LFS install the mechanism to provide such an absolutely poor security model? I don't think so. And I can't imagi

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jeremy Huntwork wrote these words on 08/05/05 00:39 CST: > Randy, that's hardly fair. Several times in this thread people *have* > offered you reasons and you come back and say they aren't valid, That is simply not true. Please, Jeremy, provide just one time someone offered a reason, other than

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Chris Staub wrote these words on 08/05/05 00:40 CST: > That's right, I don't have a technical reason against it. I just have a > problem in general with forcing someone to do something (like pick a > "strong") password "for their own good". Same reason why I don't think > seatbelt laws should e

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Chris Staub wrote these words on 08/05/05 01:19 CST: > Randy McMurchy wrote: >>The choice is still up to the reader to install the package or not. > > That's not a valid reasoning, particulary since it was you who said > earlier that no package in LFS should ca

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Archaic wrote these words on 08/05/05 01:27 CST: > On Fri, Aug 05, 2005 at 01:09:05AM -0500, Randy McMurchy wrote: > >>However, you wear your seatbelt, I'm sure. Regardless of the law. >>Because it is the *smart* thing to do. > > Perhaps statistically it is, but try

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-04 Thread Randy McMurchy
Archaic wrote these words on 08/05/05 01:42 CST: > The track has ended, though. Unless someone comes up with a new POV it > is stagnated at people's person opinions. Of the 3 opinions, 2 are > absolute ends of the spectrum and one is not. I have not seen anyone say > that a hint would be a bad mov

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-05 Thread Randy McMurchy
Justin R. Knierim wrote these words on 08/05/05 01:53 CST: > I am not sure if even a hint is needed, since it would be the worlds > shortest hint! ;) It would say "install cracklib from BLFS, install > shadow from LFS". Actually, not. The BLFS shadow instructions disable CrackLib because it i

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-05 Thread Randy McMurchy
Justin R. Knierim wrote these words on 08/05/05 02:04 CST: > I didn't say anything about disabling cracklib. I said to "install > cracklib from BLFS". If one only installs cracklib, and returns to LFS > to continue with shadow, all is good, right? No, you must explicitly use --with-libcrack f

Re: [RFC] Add CrackLib to Chapter 6 LFS

2005-08-05 Thread Randy McMurchy
Archaic wrote these words on 08/05/05 02:01 CST: > As an optional, yes. I also concur. However, the point that you just > don't seem to be accepting is that a hint serves exactly that purpose. No, Archiac, a hint doesn't serve the same purpose. I am proposing that CrackLib be added to the Chapter

Libtool installation nit

2005-08-06 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, Noted in the most recent build of LFS (using the GCC4 branch, but this probably would affect trunk as well) is that the Libtool installation installs files in /usr/share/libtool/libltdl/ with 1000:1000 permissions instead of 0:0 (root:root). Can anyone check and see if this is the case on

Re: Libtool installation nit

2005-08-06 Thread Randy McMurchy
Archaic wrote these words on 08/06/05 10:02 CST: > If 6.1 is recent enough, then I can say that the perms are 0:0 here. We'll need to get a more recent build from somebody. Stable uses Libtool-1.5.14 and Development uses 1.5.18. I see the issue using 1.5.18 -- Randy rmlscsi: [GNU ld version 2

Re: Libtool installation nit

2005-08-06 Thread Randy McMurchy
Ag Hatzim wrote these words on 08/06/05 10:11 CST: > Randy McMurchy([EMAIL PROTECTED])@Sat, Aug 06, 2005 at 09:56:17AM -0500: >>Can anyone check and see if this is the case on a recent build of >>LFS to confirm this? > > Confirmed.Same permissions as yours Randy. Thank

Re: Libtool installation nit

2005-08-06 Thread Randy McMurchy
Matthew Burgess wrote these words on 08/06/05 14:59 CST: > 1) Patch libtool using the upstream patch > 2) Do the `chown` on the installed files ourselves > 3) Do the `chown` on the source files ourselves > > I'd prefer to go with #1 as it prevents having to even discuss the > relative merits of

Shadow-4.0.11.1

2005-08-06 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, I would like to request that trunk be updated to the latest release of the Shadow package (4.0.11.1). There is an additional configure switch that needs to be added to enable shadowed groups, as you all are already aware. This would make it a bit simpler on the BLFS side, as a patch for P

LFS Bootscripts

2005-08-07 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, I believe I've run across a bug in the LFS Bootscripts. It appears to me that if the concerned script (I've only tested BLFS scripts, but I suppose I could kill the sysklog stuff and try it) is not started, and you issue a /etc/rc.d/init.d/script status command, it will report that it is

Inetutils FTP client and GCC4

2005-08-07 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, Some weird activity with the Inetutils FTP client when compiled with GCC-4.0.1. Note that a new patch has been introduced to the GCC-4 branch of LFS to "correct" GCC4 problems. This patch affects two files used to compile the ftp client program. If anybody can explain, or care to comment a

Shadow/CrackLib - A compromise?

2005-08-07 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, Well, I must say I thoroughly enjoyed the debate about adding CrackLib to LFS. There was a bunch of ideas thrown around. It seemed healthy for the list. Anyway, some of the folks who provided arguments why CrackLib should not be added had very good ideas about LFS, goals, etc. I tend to

Re: LFS Bootscripts

2005-08-07 Thread Randy McMurchy
Archaic wrote these words on 08/07/05 21:31 CST: > What it is reporting is the script itself, which I agree is a bug. You > don't see ps output because as soon as the script is done it dies. Using > status you should get a different PID each time. If the daemon is > running, the PID of the script

Re: Shadow/CrackLib - A compromise?

2005-08-07 Thread Randy McMurchy
Archaic wrote these words on 08/07/05 22:55 CST: > How's this wording grab you? Perfect. -- Randy rmlscsi: [GNU ld version 2.15.94.0.2 20041220] [gcc (GCC) 3.4.3] [GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.4] [Linux 2.6.10 i686] 22:57:02 up 127 days, 22:30, 5 users, load average: 0.08, 0.04, 0.

Re: LFS Bootscripts

2005-08-07 Thread Randy McMurchy
DJ Lucas wrote these words on 08/07/05 23:05 CST: > Randy what shell is linked to /bin/sh on your system? /bin/bash Should be easy enough to check out. Did it on a hand made script I have for vixie-cron and it did it on the BLFS xinetd script as well. -- Randy rmlscsi: [GNU ld version 2.15.94

Re: Shadow/CrackLib - A compromise?

2005-08-07 Thread Randy McMurchy
Archaic wrote these words on 08/07/05 22:55 CST: > How's this wording grab you? I feel terrible. I have made a huge mistake. There is another configuration that must be done for Shadow to use CrackLib. In the command that creates the /etc/login.defs file, the following addition to the existing se

Re: LFS Bootscripts

2005-08-07 Thread Randy McMurchy
DJ Lucas wrote these words on 08/07/05 23:22 CST: > Randy, my functions are heavily modified ATM. To make sure that this is > not a different issue, can you run the same test and post back? It > doesn't matter which script, just use one that is running. Here is what I inserted: status)

Re: Shadow/CrackLib - A compromise?

2005-08-07 Thread Randy McMurchy
Archaic wrote these words on 08/07/05 23:51 CST: > I'm wondering if perhaps another note just prior to the original sed > would be apropo, or if it should all be placed in the main note. The > latter seems rather disconnected to me. I'm thinking it would be best inside the beginning note. 2 reaso

Re: Shadow/CrackLib - A compromise?

2005-08-07 Thread Randy McMurchy
Randy McMurchy wrote these words on 08/07/05 23:55 CST: > I'm thinking it would be best inside the beginning note. 2 reasons. > > 1) The disconnection you mention > 2) The command is long. It prolly won't fit on a PDF page so it needs > to be split with a backslash an

Re: Shadow/CrackLib - A compromise?

2005-08-07 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jim Gifford wrote these words on 08/08/05 00:04 CST: > Making a change like that for one package doesn't make sense. If we do > that, why do we need BLFS, just put everything in LFS and say it's optional. Jim, please enter the discussion with something worthwhile. How am I to take you serious whe

Re: Shadow/CrackLib - A compromise?

2005-08-07 Thread Randy McMurchy
Archaic wrote these words on 08/08/05 00:44 CST: > As soon as the render is done, you can find the "2 notes" example here: > > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~archaic/lfs-trunk/chapter06/shadow.html This would work. I would use [command] tags for the word 'sed' and I would for sure make the '-e

Re: Shadow/CrackLib - A compromise?

2005-08-07 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jim Gifford wrote these words on 08/08/05 00:46 CST: > I just don't see any reason for all this hype for a way to check what a > user uses for a password. >From a technical standpoint Jim, you are just simply wrong. Exploiting weak passwords are the single most widely used method to gain access

Re: Shadow/CrackLib - A compromise?

2005-08-07 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jim Gifford wrote these words on 08/08/05 01:17 CST: > Not something that checks a word file, I would go for a password scheme > enforcement solution for shadow or even a replacement of shadow altogether. Well great, Jim. We are getting somewhere. You obviously agree that a solution to provide

Re: Shadow/CrackLib - A compromise?

2005-08-07 Thread Randy McMurchy
Archaic wrote these words on 08/08/05 01:25 CST: > Literal, by itself, doesn't seem to influence line wrapping, I suppose I shouldn't have made literal, so [literal] :-) I was more thinking of things like [screen][userinput] type tags that force stuff to be on one line and be 'literal' (as to wh

Re: Shadow/CrackLib - A compromise?

2005-08-07 Thread Randy McMurchy
Archaic wrote these words on 08/08/05 01:33 CST: > Okay, give a look: That looks good. The only thing is perhaps: s/add/insert/ in the sentence. No telling how many folks will try to add (append) the -e script to the command instead of inserting where it belongs. -- Randy rmlscsi: [GNU ld vers

Re: Shadow/CrackLib - A compromise?

2005-08-07 Thread Randy McMurchy
Randy McMurchy wrote these words on 08/08/05 01:38 CST: > That looks good. The only thing is perhaps: > > s/add/insert/ in the sentence. No telling how many folks will try > to add (append) the -e script to the command instead of inserting > where it belongs. Better yet, is what

Re: Shadow/CrackLib - A compromise?

2005-08-07 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jim Gifford wrote these words on 08/08/05 01:40 CST: > So you will need to get support for adding PAM and cracklib to LFS, > which I'm not sure the community will support. It was about 50-50 running with the CrackLib idea, however, some of the positives about CrackLib were adamant that PAM could

Bugzilla updates

2005-08-08 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, Not sure who takes care of Bugzilla but if someone could add a GCC4 category to the 'Versions' that are used to describe which book the bug is noted in, it would be good. I added a bug that is specific to the GGC4 branch, but could find no way to really identify it as such. -- Randy rml

Re: Libtool installation nit

2005-08-08 Thread Randy McMurchy
Tushar Teredesai wrote these words on 08/08/05 11:08 CST: > On 8/8/05, Jens Olav Nygaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Would this have affected the build in any serious way? > > Nope, it won't affect the build at all. Because libtool is not used by > any of the packages unless you regenerate autot

Re: Shadow/CrackLib - A compromise?

2005-08-08 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jim Gifford wrote these words on 08/08/05 15:26 CST: > Have your verified that the bug with cracklib that was posted in > BLFS from a long time back has been fixed. Here is what I remember of > the bug. I know this issue had to deal with PAM but we had some > complaints about it not workin

Re: [RFC] ALFS implementations

2005-08-09 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jeremy Huntwork wrote these words on 08/09/05 12:17 CST: > I am anxious to hear the entire LFS community's thoughts, so please, if > you have an opinion about this, speak up. I have an automated procedure for building LFS which uses Bash scripts as well. Probably many do. And though these scripts

Re: FontConfig installation

2005-08-09 Thread Randy McMurchy
Matthew Burgess wrote these words on 08/09/05 12:41 CST: > I'd say workaround it for now by just installing the docs by hand, if my > opinion counts for anything over here in BLFS land :) That is exactly what has been done. -- Randy rmlscsi: [GNU ld version 2.15.94.0.2 20041220] [gcc (GCC) 3.

Re: Addition to Chapter 12

2005-08-09 Thread Randy McMurchy
Archaic wrote these words on 08/09/05 16:04 CST: > Groovy. BTW, just taking a quick peek at my buildscript for strace (I > can't remember how long it was that I wrote it), strace is a cmmi > package. Yes, I believe it is. But the point of this page is not so much to provide build instructions as

Re: Addition to Chapter 12

2005-08-09 Thread Randy McMurchy
Archaic wrote these words on 08/09/05 16:14 CST: > Understood. But since the discussion of gdb instruction came up, I > thought it might be relevant to the discussion since a page for strace > would require very minimal maintenance. Yeah, I kind of thought my message before this was rather blunt.

Re: Using bugzilla

2005-08-09 Thread Randy McMurchy
Matthew Burgess wrote these words on 08/09/05 15:59 CST: > In the future, can I request that before sending such emails, you > consider entering them into bugzilla instead. Good plan. It *is* frustrating for folks (I've been there) to submit what you think is a good idea on the mailing list, onl

Re: LFS Bootscripts

2005-08-09 Thread Randy McMurchy
DJ Lucas wrote these words on 08/09/05 21:12 CST: > Okay, does the spamd script that you use set PIDFILE? Because I'm the one that started this thread by reporting what I felt was an error in the functions, I am curious if anyone else has seen the issue I see. I would hate the DJ is fighting some

Re: can't enter chroot environment

2005-08-10 Thread Randy McMurchy
Matthew Burgess wrote these words on 08/10/05 11:32 CST: > Uggh, sorry! Stupid autocomplete on Thunderbird got the wrong list! Sure. Actually, it was just a sneaky way to get your message sent to another list. :-) You know, something you might consider. Several technical lists (newsgroups)

Re: unecessary symlinks or bad scripts?

2005-08-11 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jeremy Huntwork wrote these words on 08/11/05 10:58 CST: > Is someone in a position to verify that those symlinks are still > necessary? I believe the commands to create those symlinks are still necessary. My build script uses 'ln -v -s' *not* ln -v -sf, and I log everything. The install.log sho

Re: GCC4 book needs to be updated

2005-08-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
Chris Staub wrote these words on 08/12/05 09:39 CST: > The GCC4 book hasn't been touched in over a week, and in that time there > have been several changes to the development trunk that haven't been > applied to GCC4. This includes... There is only one guy working on this branch and he has admit

Re: MySQL Test Suite

2005-08-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
Ken Moffat wrote these words on 08/12/05 11:16 CST: > Yes. I tested that 4.1.13a builds and tests with the book's > instructions earlier this week, prior to filing bug 1515. 4.1.13a? Where does this come from? There is no mention of it on the MySQL web site, or BLFS. -- Randy rmlscsi: [GNU

Re: MySQL Test Suite

2005-08-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
Randy McMurchy wrote these words on 08/12/05 11:22 CST: > 4.1.13a? > > Where does this come from? There is no mention of it on the MySQL > web site, or BLFS. Never mind. I found it. Apparently, there are MySQL web mirrors that are not synced up. -- Randy rmlscsi: [GNU ld version

Re: GCC-4.0.1

2005-08-12 Thread Randy McMurchy
Ag Hatzim wrote these words on 08/10/05 04:15 CST: > Log of the already installed packages attached,most of them confirmed to work > > libxml2-2.6.20 This is odd. LibXML2 crapped out for me during the 'make'. runtest.o: In function `xpathDocTest': /home/rml/build/libxml2-2.6.20/runtest.c:2404: u

Re: Chapter 6 Texinfo - what is "TeX"?

2005-08-13 Thread Randy McMurchy
Chris Staub wrote these words on 08/12/05 23:20 CST: > The installation instructions for Texinfo give an "optional" step for a > "TeX" installation, but it doesn't say why you would need it or what > programs might require it. Some kind of additional description should be > there (even if it's n

Re: LibXML2 trouble

2005-08-13 Thread Randy McMurchy
Andrew Benton wrote these words on 08/13/05 12:17 CST: > It's not finished, I'm still only halfway through Gnome so I keep rebooting > the google for patches. It was easier to run the grep from the host > (gcc-3.4.4) system. That makes sense. Andrew, thanks for your help earlier. I figured out

Re: Openldap dependencies

2005-08-13 Thread Randy McMurchy
Tushar Teredesai wrote these words on 08/13/05 15:04 CST: > Another question, what is the version name that is used. For stable > releases, instead of using naming it 2.2.26, they use stable-20050429. > IMO we should use their terminology. Two reasons: > (1) We are not at odds with the versioning

Re: Openldap dependencies

2005-08-13 Thread Randy McMurchy
Tushar Teredesai wrote these words on 08/13/05 15:28 CST: > I use --enable-dynamic in my builds too. I think it is only used for > the slapd backends. i.e. whether to link them in dynamic or static. I > am running a build without the dynamic. Lets see what the difference > is. My understanding (f

Re: GCC-4.0.1

2005-08-14 Thread Randy McMurchy
Ag Hatzim wrote these words on 08/14/05 08:25 CST: > No,my build was based on the cvn of 30 of July with some cosmetic changes by > me but nothing serious to affect the glibc built. > > I already saw that your problem started from Heimdal was overwritten the > glob.h which installed by glibc,but

Re: Coreutils binary locations

2005-08-14 Thread Randy McMurchy
Matthew Burgess wrote these words on 08/14/05 14:07 CST: > However, I'm only going to invest time in > this if someone can convince me of why we *need* to move 'test' and '[' > to /bin. They are both used in /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions? -- Randy rmlscsi: [GNU ld version 2.15.94.0.2 20041220]

Re: Some improvements to the init.d/functions script

2005-08-14 Thread Randy McMurchy
DJ Lucas wrote these words on 08/14/05 23:31 CST: > but do > we want to restore the old functionality of printing a warning when > something is not running in killproc? I believe we have three yes' so > far. Anyone have any preference for the way it is now? Gosh, it is a no-brainer DJ. Chalk m

Re: Some improvements to the init.d/functions script

2005-08-14 Thread Randy McMurchy
DJ Lucas wrote these words on 08/14/05 23:47 CST: > Is that yes - I'd like to see a nice green '[ OK ]' when I stop an > already stopped process (the way it is now, which _is_ correct by the > exit status)? That sucks. > Or is that yes - I'd like to see a yellow 'Warning: not > running [

Re: Version 7.0-cross-lfs-20050814-x86_64 glibc-linuxthreads missing from instructions

2005-08-15 Thread Randy McMurchy
Doug Ronne wrote these words on 08/15/05 11:19 CST: > Oops, right you are. Though shouldn't it say ignore this if you do > NOT want the threading man pages? Please don't top-post, and perhaps consider trimming your quoted text. Anyway, there are many things in the LFS book which folks could ignor

Re: Bug 464 (TeX-3.0 default pdf generation no good)

2005-08-15 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 08/15/05 12:38 CST: > Should I call the package cm-super and put it into the A-C directory on > anduin, just go ahead and put it into the T-V directory with the rest of > tetex, or rename the package to tetex-cm-super? I like tetex-cm-super. That way everything is

Re: Grammar help!

2005-08-15 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 08/15/05 13:55 CST: > How about: > > "To test the results, issue: make check. Note that the “torture > load testing” option uses more resources than is displayed in the > prompt." I like this much better. However, I still think the s/is/those/ is necessary to mat

Re: Speed up Qt build using precompiled headers

2005-08-16 Thread Randy McMurchy
Greg Schafer wrote these words on 08/01/05 17:36 CST: > It might be worth mentioning that Qt can be built using precompiled headers > to speed up the build. PCH became available in GCC-3.4.x. I just did some > rough testing on a box here and the savings are substantial: > > - without PCH 3

Re: Speed up Qt build using precompiled headers

2005-08-16 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 08/16/05 14:14 CST: > Randy McMurchy wrote: > >>In QT-4.0.0 (I'm ready to update the book, but Bruce has the bug >>tagged for him to do it, so I'm putting notes in the BZ entry) >>-pch is the default. > > Go ahead and reass

Re: ALSA - restoring volumes

2005-08-16 Thread Randy McMurchy
DJ Lucas wrote these words on 08/16/05 19:20 CST: > Make sure that > /etc/udev/rules.d/25-lfs.rules is in place and contains these lines: > > # ALSA devices go in their own subdirectory > > KERNEL="controlC[0-9]*", NAME="snd/%k", GROUP="audio" > KERNEL="hw[CD0-9]*", NAME="snd/%k", GROUP="au

Re: Bogus usage of gcc --print-file

2005-08-17 Thread Randy McMurchy
Matthew Burgess wrote these words on 08/17/05 14:33 CST: > Unfortunately, one can't nest backticks, I'm not so sure about that. From the Bash man page: "Command substitutions may be nested. To nest when using the backquoted form, escape the inner backquotes with backslashes." -- Randy

Re: Bogus usage of gcc --print-file

2005-08-17 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 08/17/05 16:18 CST: > Randy McMurchy quoted from the Bash man page: >> "Command substitutions may be nested. To nest when using the >> backquoted form, escape the inner backquotes with backslashes." > > Can you say *ugly*. :)

Re: ALSA - restoring volumes

2005-08-18 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 08/18/05 10:27 CST: > The question is should we revert to a standard init.d/ startup script > for alsa? The whole reason for the change was the bug Alex created. The issue is that some slower computers do not have the device nodes ready when the init script runs,

Re: Version 7.0-cross-lfs-20050818-x86_64

2005-08-19 Thread Randy McMurchy
Doug Ronne wrote these words on 08/19/05 10:32 CST: > On 8/19/05, Jim Gifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>After LFS is built, you can safely delete the /tools directory, but >>I recommend keeping it as a contingency if something should ever go wrong. > > I never thought of that, pretty good i

GCC-4.0.1

2005-08-19 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, I would like to propose a consideration for LFS to move towards the GCC-4 branch as the default LFS build. There are issues, but none that are really show-stoppers. I have built over 150 packages using the GCC-4 branch of LFS without anything that I can see is "buggy". Except of course, t

Re: Remove inetutils from LFS [was Re: GCC-4.0.1]

2005-08-20 Thread Randy McMurchy
Matthew Burgess wrote these words on 08/20/05 14:15 CST: > [snip all] I can go either way on this one. It will be something I install whether in LFS or not. However, if we remove it from LFS, does this mean we can move to GCC-4 as the default compiler? :-) -- Randy rmlscsi: [GNU ld version 2.

Re: Remove inetutils from LFS [was Re: GCC-4.0.1]

2005-08-20 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jim Gifford wrote these words on 08/20/05 15:06 CST: > We actually have a situation in cross-lfs were we had to remove > inetutils since it work properly on Sparc builds. If it worked properly, why did you have to remove it? :-) (please don't answer, I know what you meant. I'm just making a joke

Book Info Table Layout

2005-08-21 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, Just a nit about the look of the 'Book Info' table which is presented at the beginning of the BLFS book before the TOC. IMHO, the look is unattractive and presents an air of amateurism. The table layout has a look that is the default of creating a table in HTML (borders, spacing, etc). A

[Fwd: Opps in BLFS]

2005-08-21 Thread Randy McMurchy
Forwarding to BLFS-Dev in case it is something we have to fix instead of the website guys. Original Message Subject: Opps in BLFS Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:40:09 -0400 From: baho-utot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Website Maintenance List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED

libmikmod Test Suite [humor]

2005-08-21 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, Does this count as having a test suite? (from the output of 'make check') make[1]: Entering directory `/home/rml/build/libmikmod-3.1.11/libmikmod' echo "Of course it works ! (-:" Of course it works ! (-: make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/rml/build/libmikmod-3.1.11/libmikmod' -- Randy

Re: nmap-3.81-gtk2 patch

2005-08-21 Thread Randy McMurchy
William Harrington wrote these words on 08/21/05 12:28 CST: > Here's something for those of us who just build gtk2 systems. > Try it out and give some feedback. Thanks, William. I noticed you sent your patch to the Patches project as well. I can't see this patch being something we would mandate f

Re: GCC4 build with OpenSSH-4.1p1 missing -ldl

2005-08-21 Thread Randy McMurchy
[cc'd to BLFS-Support as it appears it should be directed there] William Harrington wrote these words on 08/21/05 11:28 CST: > Has anyone experienced the problem where the dynamic loader > library is not included in the list of LIBS? I am not seeing this issue. I am including the ent

GNOME-2.12/GTK+-2.8/Cairo/libpixman

2005-08-22 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, With the GNOME-2.12 release due to be ready in a couple of weeks, I'd like to propose a couple of new packages that need to be added to the BLFS book. It is my understanding that GNOME-2.12 will require the 2.8 branch of GTK+. This is a brand-new release and now requires the Cairo graphic

Re: Shared library permissions

2005-08-22 Thread Randy McMurchy
Ken Moffat wrote these words on 08/22/05 15:06 CST: >>[1] Exceptions being: /lib/libproc-3.2.5.so (555), /usr/lib/libc.so (644), >>/usr/lib/libpthread.so (644), /usr/lib/preloadable_libintl.so (644), and >>Perl's modules (555) > > /usr/lib/lib{c,pthread}.so aren't libraries, they are ld scrip

Re: MPlayer instructions and gst-plugins dependencies

2005-08-23 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 08/23/05 10:58 CST: > Bernard Leak wrote: >>The following links for optional dependencies for gst-plugins seem >>to be broken: > > See: > http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/cvs/introduction/packages.html Still, seems that updating the book with valid URLs (

GCC-4 update

2005-08-23 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, Just an update for anyone interested. I've got many packages built using the GCC-4 branch of LFS. Included so far is a functional KDE desktop, some multimedia stuff, pdf viewer, everything it takes to use subversion and render the LFS books, printing capability using CUPS, Samba support an

Re: GCC-4 update

2005-08-23 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jim Gifford wrote these words on 08/23/05 18:48 CST: > I know you have compiled them, but have you tested their > functionality. Yes. -- Randy rmlscsi: [GNU ld version 2.15.94.0.2 20041220] [gcc (GCC) 3.4.3] [GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.4] [Linux 2.6.10 i686] 18:49:00 up 143

Re: Package documentation (and a question about TeX)

2005-08-24 Thread Randy McMurchy
Matthew Burgess wrote these words on 08/24/05 12:10 CST: > From the rest of your message, it looks like you're using `texi2dvi' > followed by the various `dvi2*' binaries from TeX to process these. I've been doing it like this: texi2dvi --pdf file.texi (could also just use texi2pdf) texi2dvi

Re: Firefox and profile locking: Chapter 2

2005-08-24 Thread Randy McMurchy
Ken Moffat wrote these words on 08/24/05 12:35 CST: > But, I like having multiple browsers so that I can look at different > things on different desktops. Epiphany works with the book's current > instructions, with a different set of instructions the .pc files didn't > get installed (and the

[Fwd: Re: Firefox and profile locking: Chapter 2]

2005-08-24 Thread Randy McMurchy
[forwarded from blfs-support] Original Message Subject: Re: Firefox and profile locking: Chapter 2 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:47:44 -0500 From: Randy McMurchy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dan Nicholson wrote these words on 08/24/05 15:30 CST: > The issue of profile locking wh

Re: [Fwd: Re: Firefox and profile locking: Chapter 2]

2005-08-24 Thread Randy McMurchy
Randy McMurchy wrote these words on 08/24/05 15:54 CST: > Dan Nicholson wrote these words on 08/24/05 15:30 CST: > >>The issue of profile locking when trying to open a URL in an already >>running Firefox received some attention on blfs-support. Kevin >>Somervill went th

Re: Firefox and profile locking: Chapter 2

2005-08-24 Thread Randy McMurchy
Dan Nicholson wrote these words on 08/24/05 16:44 CST: > Look at the file > mozilla/browser/app/mozilla.in > This is the base for the firefox script. You can do the same sed on > this file before the build to achieve the same effect. Like I said, I > have the patch, but I'm at work and can't get

Re: Firefox and profile locking: Chapter 2

2005-08-24 Thread Randy McMurchy
Andrew Benton wrote these words on 08/24/05 16:25 CST: > Surely the choice is between /opt and /usr/local? I vote for /usr/local. It'd > be good to try and keep executable scripts and binaries out of /usr/lib Actually, I'm now leaning to simply doing a sed on the installed /usr/bin/firefox after

Re: Firefox and profile locking: Chapter 2

2005-08-24 Thread Randy McMurchy
Dan Nicholson wrote these words on 08/24/05 17:06 CST: > No problem. The very special thanks really goes to Kevin Somervill > for actually going through the firefox (mozilla) script and figuring > out there's an error. I doubt the base of that script has been > changed in years. Someone should

Openquicktime library

2005-08-26 Thread Randy McMurchy
Hi all, Does anyone at all use the Openquicktime library for anything useful? I would like to remove this package from BLFS for the following reasons: 1. It is a dead project. No new stable release in over 4 years. 2. There is a mention of an optional downloadable codec, but no mention what to

Re: Openquicktime library

2005-08-26 Thread Randy McMurchy
Bruce Dubbs wrote these words on 08/27/05 00:47 CDT: > Should we substitute this library for the Openquicktime library? I think so, but I didn't want to suggest it as I wasn't sure who/why put the Openquicktime library in the book. libquicktime likes jpeg-mmx and both are moving targets right now

GCC-4 (more nagging) :-)

2005-08-26 Thread Randy McMurchy
Any thoughts Matt about using GCC-4 as the default SVN build compiler? I only ask again as last time I asked it seemed the respondents were positive about the idea. I can't think of anyone that said it was a bad idea. I don't consider your input as a "bad idea" as much as a "careful consideration"

Re: GCC-4 (more nagging) :-)

2005-08-27 Thread Randy McMurchy
William Harrington wrote these words on 08/27/05 13:30 CDT: > Do I need to send the patch for inetutils for ftp and libinetutil to > the patches group or will the patch be in the patches archive so > people don't keep patching inetutils with the incorrect patch? Matt is a busy guy. I'm sure when

Re: GCC-4 (more nagging) :-)

2005-08-27 Thread Randy McMurchy
DJ Lucas wrote these words on 08/28/05 00:43 CST: > 3 seconds to really slow down a brute force attack. Yeah sure, that 3 > seconds is really gonna hurt...anyway, Linux_PAM-0.80 is fixed now WRT > the segfault issue with shadow's su. shadow-4.0.12 seems to work as > expected. I think LFS is in

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