OH BOY!!! He has a Wireless BLACKBERRY, Does he also have CHIGGERS
- Original Message
From: "p_mu...@sbcglobal.net"
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Sat, October 23, 2010 10:13:39 PM
Subject: KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 352, Issue 296
Amen! This a KR forum, I'm begging you guys!
Sent
Mine cost $15.00 if I remember right,but I could build the airplane from them.
- Original Message
From: Ed Janssen
To: KRnet
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 3:00:51 PM
Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans
Early KR-1 plans were pretty cheap (cost and quality) - at least the set I
had - sorta gave
Go to KR net and look at some of the buiding accounts, especially Langfords,
you
need to do this even if you had the best set of plans in the world.
Jim
- Original Message
From: "mel...@maxqcomposites.com"
To: KRnet
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 1:49:57 PM
Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans
Hang in there, I was building a KR-1 back in the seventies when plans first
were
sold and it was fun with the smell of the Spruce and it was going fast. My
section leader was a B-26 pilot in WWII and convinced me I would kill myself
because it was short coupled and I gave up half way through t
It would be interesting to see the vorticies formed by thst 1.5" gap.
Jim
- Original Message
From: Mark Langford
To: KRnet
Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 11:04:40 PM
Subject: KR> stub wing gap seals
Back when I first started flying my KR, I was in the process of going from
gaffer's tape
Where is all this stuff coming from? I got plans for a KR-1 in the mid
seventies
and have never herd of a wing failer on a KR>
Jim
- Original Message
From: Glenn Martin
To: KRnet
Sent: Sat, October 2, 2010 9:49:57 PM
Subject: Re: FW: KR> KR2 ARTICLE-KITPLANES NOV 2010
John Martinda
Thats the KR Attitude, not getting your nose to high and stall.
- Original Message
From: Larry&Sallie Flesner
To: KRnet
Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 6:35:29 PM
Subject: Re: KR> keg
At 04:36 PM 9/2/2010, you wrote:
>Beer required in order to have a good time
>especially around airplan
Krnet has enough to keep you bussy for several months.
- Original Message
From: Clay
To: KRnet
Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 10:22:43 AM
Subject: RE: KR> Countdown
Hello,
I ran across your website and am intrigued by the KR2.
Is there any place to get even more information about this p
That is the shortest e-mail I have ever received and understood, You are a man
on few words our, "no words"
Jim
- Original Message
From: Mark Jones
To: KR Net
Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 3:56:22 PM
Subject: KR> Countdown
10
Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI
E-mail: flyk...@char
Best airplane their will be Landford's KR-Costum.
- Original Message
From: Steven Eberhart
To: KRnet
Sent: Sat, August 28, 2010 6:35:38 PM
Subject: Re: KR> KR2 VS RV8
On 08/28/2010 06:31 AM, Dan Heath wrote:
> I flew with two of the RV guys, in their RV 6's and found the sensitiv
You are right, must be several hundred, no all are flying, but I have been
reading about you,. Mark Langford and Bill Reents' and a few others for what
seems like 30 years. I was building a KR-1 way back and had it half done when
by so called "FRIEND" convinced me I would kill myself in it so I
Very good Larry and who knows better than you?Answer, Nobody.
- Original Message
From: Larry&Sallie Flesner
To: KRnet
Sent: Sun, August 22, 2010 7:38:30 PM
Subject: KR> control sensitivity
At 04:36 PM 8/22/2010, you wrote:
>What you need to do is go to KRnet and read Bill Reents acou
What you need to do is go to KRnet and read Bill Reents acount of flying the
KR-1 for 21 years. Before he flying it he taxie dit fo 10 hours to get the
pitch
feel and it made me sick to read it because i had built one to half way and a
friend said I would kill myself and I gace up when all i ha
you are right Larry, Thanks.
jimmy
- Original Message
From: Larry&Sallie Flesner
To: KRnet
Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 8:45:55 AM
Subject: Re: KR> 2nd ignition
At 07:14 AM 8/9/2010, you wrote:
>I run the plugs in my car's for over 1,000,000 miles without problems,
>Jim
I run the plugs in my car's for over 1,000,000 miles without problems, don't
know how far they will go and they give me a few more miles per gallon. that is
why I would go with just one set of plugs.
Jim
- Original Message
From: Eric Evezard
To: KRnet
Sent: Sun, August 8, 2010 8:55:0
Why do you need another set of plugs? Use Bosch PLATNUM plugs with the backup
system, it is better than puting new holes in the heads.
- Original Message
From: Eric Evezard
To: KRnet
Sent: Sat, August 7, 2010 8:02:55 AM
Subject: KR> 2nd set plugs
Hi Dan,
Thanks very much for your r
The photo's are all fantasticc Mark I am sure a lot of people would like to
have
one on the wall, you should publish them and make a mint.
Jim
- Original Message
From: Mark Langford
To: KRnet
Cc: Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft
Sent: Wed, August 4, 2010 10:57:21 PM
Subject:
Thanks, I didn't know what that draft tube was either but was too embarrest to
ask, I thought I was about to be sucked into the Army again.
-Subject: Re: KR> general engine question
Greg Martin wrote:
> So, what is a draft tube and how does it work? There some of us that
> could
> use m
GREAT story and photos, I loved it. will send to everyone I know.
Thanks
jim
- Original Message
From: Oscar Zuniga
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Fri, July 16, 2010 1:49:40 PM
Subject: KR> builders in the south sound area
"Zipper" Goodman used to be up in that area (or close enough... Co
How about increasing the throw on the stick? that is a possibility>
- Original Message
From: James Freeman
To: lt1corve...@earthlink.net; KRnet
Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 9:41:57 PM
Subject: Re: KR> A Ride To The KR Thing Of Dana's
Dear Mark:
I have been wanting to see Your airplan
Marks plane is not a KR2-S it is hightly modified an should not have a problem
with 235 MPH.
Jim
- Original Message
From: Oscar Zuniga
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 8:55:26 AM
Subject: KR> another non-sunset flight picture
Mark; I scrolled down through your sunset
Motorcycles are more fun than airplanes but if you busted your ass on a
motorcycle you want to stay away from airplanes, an airplane accident would
maybe kill you.
Jim
- Original Message
From: joseph lamberson
To: kr list list
Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 9:51:28 PM
Subject: RE: KR>
Go to krnet.org and find many kr's under construction and look for Bill clapp,
he will give you dule in your plane or test fly it.
Jim
--- On Sat, 10/3/09, joseph lamberson wrote:
> From: joseph lamberson
> Subject: KR> new kr
> To: "kr list list"
> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 4:28 PM
>
I bet its a GREAT FEELING to be horney like that.
jim
--- On Sun, 8/9/09, Mark Langford wrote:
> From: Mark Langford
> Subject: KR> another KR Gathering "Performance Evaluation"
> To: "KRnet"
> Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 3:44 PM
> NetHeads,
>
> Jeff Lange has mentioned that he'd show up in
Great show mark.
Thanks
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:02:47 -0500 "Mark Jones"
writes:
> Here is a little slide show I put together for your enjoyment.
>
>
http://flykr2s.com/slide_show.html?picture=picture1.jpg&show=Oshkosh_2006
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI
> Web site: www.flykr2s.com
> Mailto
Hey! show us the pictures . that is one way to do it, but just changing
the airfoil to a low speed airifoil could also solve both problems of
stall speed and top speed.
Sincerely
jim
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 07:24:54 +1000 "Phil Matheson"
writes:
> Rick
> I had a friend email me a photo of his KR and
Dit he say fame? i thought he said Flame.
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:51:11 -0400 "Brian Kraut"
writes:
> Heck Mark, your 15 minutes of fame has been going on since your first
> flight
> if not longer. And it is well deserved.
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -
VGs are used to avoid separation and on the Lear Jet on the lower surface
on the horizontal for this same purpose, they are also used on the upper
surface of the wing to attuate the shock wave. I can see where they could
near the canopy if the flow is separated, rhis could be determined with
tuffs.
If they want to have that much control of your property thay need to be
paying your mortgage , its that simple.
Jim
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:36:55 -0500 "Mark Langford"
writes:
> I don't think I made myself cl
Have you tried a stud puller?
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:39:40 -0400 writes:
> Hi KRNetters!
> I'm one of the new guys. Just started rebuilding a Corvair engine
> for my bird, and was hoping the words of the wise would be available
> to enlighten the inexperienced... or rather, me.
>
> I have nea
I agree with you Steve and anyone who has been around awhile there in
California where there is a bimbo politician on ever corner would be savy
to those conditions.
Sincerely
Jim
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:32:03 -0700 "Steve Glover" writes:
> If you have been around awhile, you will find stuff like th
I don't know what you said but its great that you can say it.
Jim
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:02:26 EDT ifly...@aol.com writes:
> Buenos dias Jose LuisBienvenido a la casa de KR! Me llamo
> Guillermo
> Clapp y you tengo el KR2S N41768. Hay fotos y literatura acerca
> de mi avion y
> de mi
Everything came off without a hitch, How about your shirt tail?
jim
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Ron Smith
writes:
> On this day 7/18/2006, Ron Smith, did fly solo in a Cessna 172 SP,
> tail # N239SP, at Buckeye Municipal Airport.
>
> After 4 squeekers in a row, Dave Evans, (my flig
Designed for 180 HP and runing at 100 Hp is why it will run longer than a
VW, rotax, cont. or Jab in the final analynis.
Jim
On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 01:19:30 EDT ifly...@aol.com writes:
> There have been more crank failures in Continentals/Lycomings than
> any other
> aircraft engines - but they hav
Whats a KR-4?
Thanks
Jim
On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 22:04:10 -0400 George M writes:
> Here is the picture : http://www.hsweb.net/bx2/misc/image049web.jpg
> If you need plans of the stand I have it. It was included with my
> "KR-4" Plans :-).
> GeorgeM
> Long Island NY
>
> VIRGIL N SALISBURY wrote:
>
1. It can easly be modified to your own design requirements and almost
every one does, even to a turboprop or a radial or rotory. this is done
on a KR more than any other home built, especially to the airframe as to
no two of them are alike.
Jim
On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 09:19:26 -0400 "Myron \(Dan\)
How do you figure that? If the sides vertical that meansthat the bottom
is wider and therefore more area to sand.
Jim
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:36:25 -0400 VIRGIL N SALISBURY
writes:
> If the sides were vertical, sanding would much less, Virg
>
> On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:13:19 -0400 "jg7...@
I put that stuff in my VW bus in 1980 when it had omly 25,000 miles and
in the next 1,500 miles it droped a valve and destroyed theentire
engine.I hope it has been improved since then.
Jim
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:39:48 -0400 VIRGIL N SALISBURY
writes:
> AMSOIL 10W-40, of course, Virg. Not
Wouldn't put it in anything
Jim
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:48:05 -0400 VIRGIL N SALISBURY
writes:
> Not an oil problem. Ran it in 70 and 74 Karmen Ghia's,
> No problem, Virg
>
> On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:54:06 -0400 James Ferris
> writes:
> > I put that stu
I started building a KR-1 in 1974 and built the fuselage and tail and
wing spars and had it on the gear and my piloet budies said i would get
it into a PIO and kill myself so I stoped. One of our sailplane piolets
got a 126 in a PIO on final and did hit his head on the aide rail and did
die, maybe
If you think this will be a problem? go to www.KRnet.org and look at the
KR's that are flying especially Troy Petteway's photo of the horizontal
tail and read what he done to solve that very problem when he rebuilt is
plane. also look at Bill Rents' KR-1 website.
Jim
On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:40:43 -
If you had made it square you would have wider bottom and more sanding
not less. you did the right thing.
Jim
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:22:33 -0400 "jg7...@mindspring.com"
writes:
> I already have the sides finished and they are tapered.
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY
> >
Bet they would pay for fuel for the prototype B-747 to go to airventure,
it's no longer for the little guy even Paul is starting another
orgination for the little guy.
Jim
On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:39:05 -0700 "Steve Glover" writes:
> -Original Message-
>
> Below is the response from EAA o
Yea!! and Cessna hasn't done anything new in fifty years whereas the KR-1
was breakthrough new technology and copied by hundreds.
Jim
On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:05:56 -0500 "Mark Jones"
writes:
> Yea and I just read this morning where thay have 500 parking spaces
> reserved for Cessna for their 50th a
MAN!!! thats a fantastic slide show, almost as good as being their for us
old farts that find it tough to walk very far. The great leaders of the
KR were there Langford, Jones, Clapp and Fleshner and so many of the old
planes all the way back to the C-3 and Blereio.
Thanks a Million
Jim
P.S. I thin
great visit with Larry
> Flesner, good
> time at SAA, and an interesting flight back. I told my wife it was
>
> "educational", and she said she wasn't sure she liked the sound of
> it. More
> later, but there's a sample at
> http://home.hiwaay.net/
Youm should have done the 0-360, I think it would have given you a few
more knots. good luck.
Jim
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:07:22 +1000 "Barry Kruyssen"
writes:
> My wheel pants made next to no difference, makbe 2kts. And the grass
> runway
> I use is so ruff in places that in 10 hours I had to re
I would like to see the picture.
Thanks
Jim
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:07:24 -0500 D F Lively
writes:
> Netters:
>
> The following if from a High School alum of mine and is a Retired
> USAF F-111
> Wing Commander that flew a Restored AT-6 on the air show circuit. I
> thought I
> would fwd his com
Are you on the dawn patrol?
Sixty years ago Jonh Deere farm tractors burned a fuel similar to
karisene but I thinh they started them on gasoline and then switched over
to the fuel i think they called it disclent or something like that
Hi scott! I'm over in Sanford Florida and if you still have that core for
sale for $150.00? I will take it.
Jim
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:02:30 -0800 (PST) Scott William
writes:
>
> I have a DISASSEMBLED Corvair engine for sale. This
> engine was one of two that I aquired while on my
> search. It h
Hi: Go to www.wanttaja.com/alinks/index.html ,click on the chain
homebuilts, you will fine about ever homebuilt airplane ever designed,
and go to the Cvjetkovic CA-61 and CA-65 they have three section wings
like the KR2. You may need to send him an email question about his
folding wing option on th
how is your engine building going? Do you have a KR-2 oKR-2S project yet?
sincerely
Jim
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:00:05 -0400 VIRGIL N SALISBURY
writes:
> Virg, Miami
>
> > I am looking for a partially complete project in the FL. GA.
> area.
> > Preferably in boat stage. Have Corvair eng
Hi Steve: Its really none of my business, but why would you use a 63
series airfoil when ther are airfoils out there that will give you 40%
more laminar flow to increase you top speed?
Sincerely
Jim
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 19:38:14 -0800 "Steve Glover" writes:
> Oh no, tell us it is not true.
>
> You
This is true, you have to move the center aft to get more laminar flow.
Jeff vikensairfoil on the VK-30 had laminar flow back to 70% chord and it
would make the KR-1 more stable.
Sincerely
Jim
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:56:59 - (GMT) writes:
> Hi,
>
> How does the use of AS504* wings affect CG ran
ation. I believe it is also what Mooney uses.
>
> Regards,
> Steve Glover
> KR-2 N902G
> AJO, Ca
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
> Behalf Of JAMES FERRIS
> Sent: Monday, Novemb
Where did the (not true) paragraft come?:
Jim
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:32:28 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) "Dan Heath"
writes:
> RE:
> >And the KR requires that you hand be supported on something,
>
> Not true. The center stick arrangement is well designed according to
> the
> plans and after fly
Your judgement is questionable? you don't know the difference between
LIBRARIAN and LIBRITARIAN? I would not ride with you and be sure anyone
else knows about this before they get in an airplane with you.
Sincerely
Jim
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:15:23 -0600 Ron Lee writes:
> Ron, your career choice as
Great photos, a real blessing to those of us who couldn't get there.
Thanks
Jim
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:35:05 -0600 Ron Lee writes:
> Try this
>
> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jsaupe/my_photos
>
>
> ___
> Search the KRnet Archives at
> http://www.maddyhome.c
I agree with Colin, I f you have never done spins? get an instructor and
do some. Hen I was learning to fly, I had a problem with stalls in steep
turns, i always got into a spin or spiral so i got spin training. When a
friend went to take his check ride the check piolet ask have you ever
done a sp
I live in Sanford Fl and have a KR-2S project on gear with instruments
and radio installed, dual controls installed, need to finish the wing
stubs and bond the upper surface of outboard wings and build cowl to
finish. May be for sale soon. have medical problem.
Jim
Many of them already fit the LSA rule and it would be easy to redesign it
to always fit the LSA rule and call it somehing else.
Jim
I had a tripacer andsoldhalf of it to Jeff Viken so his wife could learn
to fly and he put a LORAN in it and used it to navigate from Yorktown,
Va. to Barabo Wis. many times it worked very good and you tune in a
radio station 1000 miles away and navigate with it and it would also give
the groung s
Forget about what the A&P EAA guy told you (Its just as you said a fly in
the oiament) I did the same as you I got the first run KR-1 plans and
built the boat, spars and tail. i had and engine that had already flown
in a Jeanny Two and my flying buddys said I would kill myself n it
because of the p
Hi Orma! Did you see thae Airbus land in L.A. with that NOSE DRAGGER? You
know how he did that? he moved the passingers to the back to get the
weight of the nose, what a performance I'm gona get me one of them nose
draggers.
Jim
Omar: the most interesting part of thislist is the low end of the speed
range, seven of them would b e in the light sport range at 51 MPH or
less and if flaperons were use all of them woul qualify. Joe Beyer is
qualified on the top speed end also,so it looks like a KR-2 could easly
be built with
Some sailplanes have been built with off-set seats, not side by side and
not tandem, the second seat is set back about a foot and over to the side
as much as you can so that the shoulders of the guy in front may be in
line with the knees of the othe guy. Take a look at it, it may work?
sincerely
Ji
Thats great Glenda.
Jim
Where is KR-1 located?
Thanks
Jim
Why can't you get a VW engine in Europe? isn't Germany still in Europe?
Looks like that would be the first choice.
Jim
Sorry! I diden't mean to flame you, but I was sort of smart assed. Pleasr
excuse me?
Jim
Your right it's the price, but is that a stabilator on that airplane?
looks great but I wouldn' spin it.
Jim
Where are you located dave?
Thanks
Jim
Ray: If your in New Orleans now youre as brave as any marine. I pray for
your safty.
Sincerely.
Jim
I hope you have your KR secured well, good luck and take care.
Sincerely
jim
If you are concerened that you may be to big ? you can modifi it as Mark
Jones said no two KR's are the same. I would add about a foot to the span
on each side of the centet section, this would increase the area and the
wing span and decrease the induced drag so it would clinb better.
Jim
Sure! a big man can fly. The thing you need to look at is the wing
loading. I don't think the Rand company is correct for the wing loading
so lets use Larry's airplane even though he says theres no way. gross
wt.=1100 lb, S, wing area= 77sq.ft. ( he has clipped wings so its less
the the 80 sq.ft.
Its always nice to have at least one smart ass around to keep us in line.
Thanks
Jim
Everyone knows inginears can't speell correctely, how could ewe knot know
that?
Jim
Both of those problems can be solved with a slight increase in wing area
and aspect ratio.
Jim
We are mostly into KR-2 and KR-2S right now but there are other KR
airplanes, recall the KR-1 and the KR-3 which were very different than
the KR-2 and if Ken were alive today you can bet there would be a KRLSA
design. I don't think you are off subject.
Jim
It would be easy to build a LSA modified KR-2 butI wouldn't call it a
KR-2, I would give it a new name, but you could use the same construction
techniques, its more fun to work with the spruce than a 601 because of
the smell of the wood when it is cut.
NASA developed some Low Speed airfoils about t
Whats a soin?
O, so we could even have an inverted soin.
Jim
Mark: were you using a wood prop or a metal prop?
Thanks
Jim
Whats with these nose dragers?
Jim
yeah, thats the kind of real bad gear up landings.
Jim
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:22:52 -0600 "Bubba" writes:
> larry flesner wrote:
> >
> > If you're looking for pure speed, why have any dihedral at all ??
> >
> > Dihedral = stability and stability = drag ? Or has my brain
> exceeded
> >
> > Vne?
>
Where are you located?
thanks Jim
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:17:13 -0500 writes:
> Netters;
> The topic of what wood to use to build a wooden airplane has
> always been a hot topic. Studies reveal that douglas fir is
> stronger than spruce, but slightly heavier. The strongest, most
> stable fi
Thats a damm good reason.
Jim
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:13:42 +0100 "Serge VIDAL"
writes:
> To save a helluva lot of money! Would that be an acceptable reason?
>
> (by the way, I believe mine is made of Oregon, but that's another
> story).
>
> Serge Vidal
> KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
> Paris, France
I would take a good look to see if I could remove only part of the
RAF-48 and glove the new airfoil shape over the old one even if I had to
increase the thickness of the new airfoil.
Sincerely
James C. Ferris
I cant believe you guys would talk about your dog like that, mine would
go right to the top of the list, you guys need to train you dog.
Jim
The GAW-1 airfoil is a modified Supercritical airfoil and started out as
the 17% supercritical airfoil that we tested on the Navy trainer T2C and
was the first supercritical airfoil to be demonstrated in flight, it has
a flat pressure distribution on the upper surface that allowed laminar
flow bac
What is asphalt based oil? I have used amsoil in two vehicles an blew the
engines in both of them.
jim
What you should look for is a burned out or otherwise unserviceable house
trailer, they can be 12ft wide with part of it expando to 24ft,good luck.
jim
That is the best idea I have heard in years.
Jim
If you are still building the same kr2 wing planform you can still use
the WAFs but you need to raise the rear spar about 1 inch to reduce the
incidence at the fuselage.
John: these airfoils would work on the KR1 as well as the Kr2 but there
iann even better that has laminar flow as far back as 70% chord and was
flight tested in the late eighties by NASA an was considersd to be the
major advancement of the year it was testsd. I am not sure but I think
it was the N
na Overall"
writes:
> >From: JAMES FERRIS
> >
> >John: these airfoils would work on the KR1 as well as the Kr2 but
> there
> >iann even better that has laminar flo
>
>
> Jim,
>
> The big questions are, was that NASA airfoil designed with the KR in
Actually I made a gross error in my last transmission. I wrote that the
drag coefficient for the RAF48 was 50 counts when it is really 60 counts
compared to the 40 counts of the AS5048, a 40% reduction which is
fantastic, I got to thinking of what I had written and I could not think
of any turbule
Can' find it, what is the number?
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:34:31 -0600 Kevin Jarvis
writes:
> There is a kit and misc. parts for sale on EBAY
>
>
>
>
> ___
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