W dniu 05.04.2023 o 05:20, Bill Johnson pisze:
David Crayford said:
”I'm calling BS. None of the challenger banks (Startling, Yolt, Monzo, Moneze,
N26 etc) run mainframes. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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The first internet-only (no real branch offices) bank in Poland ran on
mainframe.
Phil Smith III said:
> It's also quite possible that someone released something with the "wrong"
> name and got a pass, because it was too late to make all the changes...
I'm not going to give a definitive answer (since I don’t have one), but I will
say "That sounds very plausible."
> P.S. re:
(This was a few days ago and got lost in the mess until now, sorry)
Eric Rossman wrote, in part:
>While it usually implies "hardware" when we leave out the slash, that
>is not always the case. zPLX is classified as software ("PL/X on
>System z" is my best take). "IBM z Systems Advanced Workload An
Branding is very tricky. (hardware branding
https://www.ibm.com/downloads/cas/ROXKD4JV, Red Hat/IBM cobranding
https://www.redhat.com/en/about/brand/standards/red-hat-and-ibm-logos, etc)
BTW, despite posting this using my IBM email, I'm posting this using only
externally visible documentation.
Michael Schmitt wrote:
>Anyone have an idea of what the actual name of zPLX is?
No, but if it's "zPLX", that means IBM considers it hardware. Software would be
"z/PLX".
Besides being pedantic, this is an interesting distinction here: some stuff,
e.g., zAware, that seems like it's software is
I'm guessing this is PL/X for z/OS.
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Then what
rampant speculation of course, and I would not expect IBM to admit or
deny it.
Peter
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Then what do you call the current version?
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Then what do you call the current version?
For example, z/OS 2.4 LE module CEEBINT was compiled on 3/12/2019 w
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Schmitt, Michael asked, re PL/X:
>Then what do you call the current version?
Looks like PL/X might still be the name, though this is hardly a very
complete page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_P
Schmitt, Michael asked, re PL/X:
>Then what do you call the current version?
Looks like PL/X might still be the name, though this is hardly a very
complete page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PL/S
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I remember IBM charging and then refunding for PartnerWorld.
I passed on PLX: did not see commit
I remember IBM charging and then refunding for PartnerWorld.
I passed on PLX: did not see committing to an unsupported language that might
be withdrawn at any time (as it was).
IBM should open source PL/X 390. Hardly would give away their secret sauce at
this point! PL/X 390 -- not current PL/X
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> The language I'd be interested in is PL/X 390.
~1992 (don't hold me to that date), IBM announced that PartnerWorld was now
pay-to-play, $5K/year. We gritted our teeth and ponied up. One of the
benefits of the new scheme was that you could now get
y for what you use.
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The language I'd be interested in is PL/X 390.
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I actually always liked C, maybe because its original simplicity
reminded me of Assembler. I mean, what other language can you goof up a
length value
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OK, I’ll rephrase. Modern C++ is one of the most modern programming languages
in use today. C compatibility is in the past. C++20 introduced modules and
refl
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I actually always liked C, maybe because its original simplicity reminded me of
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I actually always liked C, maybe because its original simplicity reminded me of
Assembler. I mean, what other la
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I actually always liked C, maybe because its original simplicity reminded me of
Assembler. I mean, what other language can you goof up a length value or
pointer and overwrite a bunch of other data areas by mis
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OK, I’ll rephrase. Modern C++ is one of the m
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> Why switch to C++ rather than to a more modern language?
It's widely acknowledged that C++20 is one of the most cont
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> I, OTOH, was appalled by C ever since it came out, much preferring PL/I.
Certainly, the reasons for PL/I's failure are su
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I actually always liked C, maybe because its original simplicity
reminded me of Assembler. I mean, what other language can you goof up a
length value or pointer and overwrite a bunch of other data areas by
mistake? Oh
I actually always liked C, maybe because its original simplicity
reminded me of Assembler. I mean, what other language can you goof up a
length value or pointer and overwrite a bunch of other data areas by
mistake? Oh yeah, Assembler!
On 4/2/2023 9:29 PM, Clem Clarke wrote:
In my mind, Gary
In my mind, Gary Kildall was a genius. Not only for his operating
systems, but he also had PL/I running on PCs when everyone else said it
was impossible. Now, we are stuck with "C".
Also, Kildall had a GUI called GEM out years before Windows.
Unfortunately, the same man that effectively kille
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