nize that any resulting project at the Apache Software
>> Foundation would be the effort of individuals, not companies per say.
>> So these two answers would go a long way to ensure that the long term
>> project health is not beholden to Oracle's absence, or any threat of
>>
bes, and a
second that reflects the individual's public name. The latter is
often not on the ICLA.
I'll also note that this particular Phillip spells his name with two 'l's.
I've made the necessary corrections, both to the file name and to iclas.txt.
> Craig
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rictionless exchange of code between the various
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possible, and all sorts of divisions of labor could
be contemplated. In fact, the division of labor could be dynamic in
that we could experiment with all sorts of different arrangements and
find out what works best.
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> If we wanted to we could specify a time/date/event
> upon which that license terminates, and the "new"
> stuff going on at the ASF would be distributing code
> under the mark.
Just remember, we haven't yet even voted on whether or not to accept
the podling.
These are de
and send in an ICLA and commit these changes themselves once the
project arrives here; at which point the TDF has a clean base upon
which to build.
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definitely like to see the proposal explain whether this would be
>> possible and practical.
>>
>
> More than that, I'd like to see it as an objective to facilitate this
> collaboration. There's too much talk of just giving up and treating
> ideological div
Whoops. Forgot to copy the list.
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:30 PM, William A. Rowe Jr.
> wrote:
>> On 6/3/2011 1:17 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you ready to call for a vote? :)
>
> No; there are som
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
>> When I read Jim's email, I took it to mean your tweets[1]. Not your
>> emails to this list.
>
> Greg: I am being told by Sam Ruby to not talk about these t
all participants:
don't see this apology as an invitation to return to the use of such
inflammatory language. This situation isn't one that any of us here
invited, and will be hard enough to resolve without such invectives.
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>
> What do you think?
The reason it is a wiki is exactly for this reason. Go for it!
> Cheers
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> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:11 PM, dsh wrote:
>> >
>> > Besides that, I was asking myself why Rob is the only one who could
>> > add such a tone to th
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
>> > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:11
a bit of a telephone game where what I thought I
said and what ultimately resulted after passing through several
people's retelling is not recognizable to me.
My principles were to suggest that people focus on what they bring to
the table, and to and to actively seek out others and get THEM to
identify what they bring to the table.
Again, the end result clearly did not come out that way, and I will
see what I can do to rectify that.
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On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Leif Hedstrom wrote:
> On Jun 3, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
>> There are two common patterns at the ASF: RTC and CTR, which are
>> Review The Commit and Commit Then Review. Most places operate with a
>> CTR policy.
>
> I
. Nor am
I going to ask anyone to change their choice in licenses. However I
will state that in cases where widespread use of the code is vital for
advancing the cause of free software that the Apache License, Version
2.0 is an appropriate choice:
http://www.
are welcome to
pick up the entire list and respond in either or both venues if they
prefer.
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her complements that might apply in other
situations.
> Cheers,
> -g
>
> "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is"
> -- Mr Clinton
Cute quote, but the license question still remains.
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ssive ideals, and they are also modern,
> well-considered licenses. I'm not sure the question has come up, so we
> have no policy that I'm aware of.
CC-by 2.5 is listed as acceptable:
http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#ca
ersion 2.0 is
not an appropriate choice in this situation?
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> On Jun 4, 2011 2:03 AM, "Sam Ruby" wrote:
>> However I
>> will state that in cases where widespread use of the code is vital for
>> advancing the cause of free software that the Apache License, Version
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Simon Phipps wrote:
>
> On 4 Jun 2011, at 12:19, Sam Ruby wrote:
>>
>>>
>> LibreOffice complements anything we do here at Apache to those who
>> agree with the license terms under which LibreOffice is made
>> available. U
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Simon Phipps wrote:
>
> On 4 Jun 2011, at 12:38, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 6:32 AM, Simon Phipps wrote:
>>> On Jun 4, 2011 2:03 AM, "Sam Ruby" wrote:
>>>> However I
>>>> will state t
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:
> Sam Ruby wrote (04-06-11 13:35)
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Andreas Kuckartz
>> wrote:
>
>>> If yes: which licenses would IBM be willing to consider ?
>>
>> Is there any reason to believe t
is important to
realize is that our system administrative staff understandably wishes
to constrain the number of different types of operating systems that
they use.
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>
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On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 9:35 AM, wrote:
> I'd be satisfied to merely not have the project's potential existence
> portrayed as a disease that must be eradicated from the face of the earth.
This type of rhetorical flourish does not lead to mutual cooperation.
Take it elsewh
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Andreas Kuckartz wrote:
> Am 04.06.2011 16:00, schrieb Sam Ruby:
>> While other choices may make sense depending on the
>> specific circumstances, a necessary consequence of making a choice
>> that does not cast the widest possible net is fr
e at
>> infrastructure@a.o, but I'm considering mentoring this podling to help bridge
>> any gaps.
>
> I think it would be invaluable to OO for you to be a mentor, so I hope you do.
+1. And not just to help br
each of has said (or
failed to say) publicly behind us.
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issue. On the subject of licenses I *can* speak authoritatively on
behalf of the ASF. I've engaged in the discussion both here and on
the documentfoundation.org lists.
The best summary I am aware of to date on this issue can be found at:
http://s.apache.org/lY
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> counterproductive and destined to add antagonism, rather than remove some,
> and I'd suggest you withdraw it.
Our emails may have crossed in the ether. My suggestion is that I
take ownership of this question. I will state that
://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt
http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-x
http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-b
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/quick-guide-gplv3-compatibility.png
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efinition of what the Apache
Software Foundation produces. It sets an expectation of what our
users can expect from us.
Further details here:
http://www.apache.org/legal/ramblings.html
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> Dave Fisher
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authoritative.
Without further ado, here are the list of files:
http://people.apache.org/~rubys/openoffice.files.txt
I do not recommend accessing this page via a dialup connection as this
list alone is ~1.75Mb
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On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Cor Nouws wrote:
>> Ian Lynch wrote (04-06-11 14:39)
>>>
>>> On 4 June 2011 13:30, Cor Nouws wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sam Ruby wrote (04-06-11 13:35)
>>&g
is to spill over into early next week
I would be fine with that too.
> Cheers,
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and consolidate there, choose a
> name for the product ...)
The ASF is not a consortium. There is no mechanism for a foundation
to participate as an entity, only individuals.
I agree that naming is an important discussion.
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Software Grant.
As near as I can tell, the final decision was made by Oracle as, after
all, it is their software that they granted to the ASF.
> Florian
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the first tasks of the PPMC, if and when one gets
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> off of it, and applying a different license, is a copyright violation.
An example of how another project has dealt with this:
http://wikis.sun.com/display/GlassFish/Copyrights
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On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Sanjiva Weerawarana
wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
>> > I've been asking for reasons since my first e-mail to this list, but you
>> > didn't reply so far. So, if you could elaborate on that, I'd r
hat make the
> whole thing proprietary. People can make Apache code proprietary
> somehow, right? That is the big benefit of it. And when I've done
> that, I don't have to worry about the old redistribution terms or any
> of the old
*before* any project infrastructure is
> created.
Mention that in the proposal.
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ntributing substantially similar functionality to the
ASF under a more liberal license.
> Cheers
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Subject: [tdf-discuss] Code covered by the Oracle grant (was: Proposal
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Hi Sam, *,
please
if they compete with
one another.
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> On Jun 6, 2011, at 9:16 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>
>> FWIW, IMO it's Sam's call as he is the sponsor. Jim
>> is just trying to avoid a situation where people who
>> aren't signed up for the project start placing
good faith.
It is my expectation that if we make reasonable requests and that if
those requests are within Oracle's power to fulfill those requests,
that we will obtain subsequent software grants.
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hich is why we don't publish them for public inspection.
I have already published an extracted list of files. I'm told that
there is some line break problems with my extraction methods, and will
look into that.
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uld need a neutral Chair/Organiser and a suitably egalitarian
> agenda, naturally. Is this worth exploring?
Sounds like a rat-hole. I'd suggest that each chair a meeting at
their respective venue. Or vice versa.
> S.
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> I extracted the text from the Grant. It needed some minor cleanup
> (for example, to remove page numbers). It is possible that I
> introduced errors in the process, but that seems unlikely given how
> clean this data was. In any
n-integrated work-in-progress patches in the form of CWSs that it would be
> important to secure. Michael Meeks collated everyone's input and sent me a
> list of them categorised by status, and I've made it available for download:
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1792694/cws.ods
Tha
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>
> On Jun 6, 2011, at 7:27 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Christian Lippka wrote:
>>>
>>> While the technical analyze here seems (should not use that word) correct my
>>>
y help make any such requests end up with a positive outcome
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y sense continues to be that the best outcome would
> be close to my original proposal[1], although that got substantial push-back
> from some quarters.
I saw pushback from multiple sides. From what I can see, that
push-back still exists. Reminding people of this is not going to
help.
>
>
> So let's address the push-back.
That is not the only push-back, and my suggestion is that we not focus
on the differences we have. Let's instead focus on how we can
maximize the areas we have in common.
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> Sam Ruby wrote:
>
>> my suggestion is that we not focus on the differences we have.
>> Let's instead focus on how we can maximize the areas we have
>> in common.
>
> Isn't that what:
>
&g
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Steve Loughran wrote:
>
> Now, the database with OOo is hsqldb, Java based, so assuming we want to run
> this on Apache Harmony, does the Java TCK becomes a test dependency of OOo?
No
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't. E.g. that the "ASF representatives" who engage
> the TDF community are the Podling PMC members, old hats and newcomers alike,
> and that this communication and community bridge-building is delegated to
> that podling itself.
+1
> But if there are new concerns raise
rries. Otherwise, the vote fails.
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the ASF that involve changes to the code base will be done
in smoke-free and publicly archived mailing lists.
If you have questions relating to prior work done by groups other than
the ASF, I encourage you to contact those groups directly.
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Michael Meeks
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > IMHO this is vastly preferable to some smoke and lawyer (IANAL)
>>
of all of this is that there will need to be a substantial
public aspect to this entire discussion. Yes, I will probably have
some private discussions with ASF lawyers over time over this matter,
but I can't see any way that we can -- or sho
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Michael Meeks wrote:
> Hi Sam,
>
> On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 13:54 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote:
>> The net of all of this is that there will need to be a substantial
>> public aspect to this entire discussion. Yes, I will probably have
>> some p
nt
conclusions as to the relative risk.
How we sort this out will depend entirely on the specifics of each instance.
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verall history of the ASF
and how we have dealt with patents in the past and not presume that we
will suddenly abandon how we approach such matters.
> HTH,
>
> Michael.
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> There's no problem with them joining later, is it?
Nope.
I intend to proceed as planned.
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aph is inaccurate (we haven't
even had a vote yet), overall, it appears to be a balanced piece.
Providing clear licensing information on extensions is certainly an
area for improvement.
> Volker
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Please cast your votes:
[ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
[ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation
[ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation
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= OpenOffice.org - An open pro
age asking
questions as to how we should handle purely hypothetical scenarios as
my experience is that such discussions are rarely productive.
> Thanks,
>
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for the new PPMC.
> You might also like to get a ICLA off as well [2]
>
> 1: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal
> 2: http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt
Yes, please do. And if you care to do so, cast a vote on the proposal itself.
> Steve Lee
> Full Measure
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
> Binding votes are ones that are cast by Incubator PMC members. Quorum
> is 3 binding +1 yes votes. Once quorum is met, if more +1 votes are
> received than -1, the vote carries. Otherwise, the vote fails.
Vote started on Frida
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Phillip Rhodes
wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>> >
>> > Binding votes are ones that are cast by Incubator PMC members. Quorum
>> > is 3 bi
I've divided up the list of proposed committers into four categories,
based on their current status.
--- Have IDs:
damjan Damjan Jovanovic
florentFlorent André
grobmeier Christian Grobmeier
gstein Greg Stein
jimJim Jagielski
lrosen Lawrence Rosen
rdonkinRobert Burrell
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Manfred A. Reiter wrote:
>> A (v)olunteer on the committer roster
>
> me too, if allowed
Oversight on my part. One that has no bearing on the process. Next
step for you is to send in an ICLA.
http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt
>
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
> --- Have IDs:
>
> damjan Damjan Jovanovic
> florent Florent André
> grobmeier Christian Grobmeier
> gstein Greg Stein
> jim Jim Jagielski
> lrosen Lawrence Rosen
> rdonkin Robert Bur
ho have thought to step up,
> but then declined for some reason later.
+1
> I am referring to the project as "OpenOffice.org", not as
> "OpenOffice". Hope thats fine too
+1
> If OK, I will update the incubator stie now.
+1
> Cheers
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> If I can get a few volunteer list moderators I'll go ahead
> and create the mailing lists.
I'll be glad to moderate.
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On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Simon Brouwer wrote:
> Op 13-6-2011 22:14, Daniel Shahaf schreef:
>>
>> Sam Ruby wrote on Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 15:48:37 -0400:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Jun
half years ago. It is
time to decide that incubation is not going to succeed for this
podling?
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> any progress towards what could become an Apache project eventually.
All past struggles aside, if there are no credible plans to produce an
ASF project after 2.5 years, then IMHO it is time to begin the process
of terminating the
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> Sam Ruby wrote:
>
>> All past struggles aside, if there are no credible plans to produce an
>> ASF project after 2.5 years, then IMHO it is time to begin the process
>> of terminating the incubation of this podl
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holder remove
their headers; but if we can not get agreement on that we respect the
license terms under which the software has been offered.
> -Rob
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> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>> I support this idea.
>>
>> I think wit
k involved any other way.
> Regards,
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in 72 hours (late morning EDT on Thusrday) is that enough time for
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[ ] +1 Accept ODF Toolkit for incubation
[ ] +0 Indifferent to ODF Toolkit incubation
[ ] -1 Reject ODF Toolkit for incubation
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= The ODF Toolkit =
== Abstract ==
The ODF Toolkit is a set of Java modules that allow programmatic
creation, sca
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
> As the discussions on the ODF Toolkit threads seem to be winding down,
> I would like to initiate the vote to accept the ODF Toolkit as an
> Apache Incubator project.
>
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