[DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-13 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
tsch (Oracle) * Vladimir Voskresensky (Oracle) * Dmitry Zharkov (Oracle) * Liang Chen (Oracle) * Geertjan Wielenga (Oracle) * Tomas Zezula (Oracle) * Dusan Balek (Oracle) * Svatopluk Dedic (Oracle) * Tomas Hurka (Oracle) * Milutin Kristofic (Oracle) * Jiri Sedlacek (Oracle) * Miloslav Metelka (Ora

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-14 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Many thanks everyone for the enthusiasm and also for the new mentors -- indeed, an infrastructure-focused mentor or two will be really relevant. We have of course had several discussions and mail exchanges with our mentors before publishing the proposal. The bottom line is, we want to fit into the

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-14 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Indeed, there is no code on plugins.netbeans.org at all. No one can donate any code from anywhere on plugins.netbeans.org to anyone else. It simply contains binaries, i.e., NBM files, which are ZIP archives containing a JAR together with some metadata needed for installing it. Quite a few of them a

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-14 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
NetBeans.org has forums that mirror the mailing lists (well, not always, sometimes we've had syncing problems). My feeling is that since Apache doesn't support forums, we could simply drop them. No need to convert the forums to mailing lists, instead our mailing lists will need to be moved if possi

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-14 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
I can't wait for that to happen! In the meantime, can we call NetBeans by its real name: NetBeans, with an uppercase N and an uppercase B? Shall we all start maintaining that, i.e., using the correct name, which is NetBeans or, better yet, Apache NetBeans? Yes, Oracle is handing over everything in

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-14 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Brilliant! On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 10:11 PM, Ate Douma wrote: > On 2016-09-14 21:49, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > >> I can't wait for that to happen! In the meantime, can we call NetBeans by >> its real name: NetBeans, with an uppercase N and an uppercase B? Shall we >&g

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-15 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
It really does sound like these licensing and distribution concerns can be solved in one way or another. Also, from the NetBeans side, we're going to do everything we can to fit into the most optimal Apache approach to structuring our infrastructure under Apache. We want to end up in a situation wh

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-15 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On 2016-09-15 14:15, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > >> Hi Incubator PMC, >> >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Geertjan Wielenga >> wrote: >> >>> ... https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal ... >>> >> >> At this point I ask

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-15 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
a similar move > and experienced higher quality as a result? > > > Mitch > > > On 09/15/2016 07:15 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > >> Hi Incubator PMC, >> >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Geertjan Wielenga >> wrote: >> >>> ... ht

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-15 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
and Delacretaz > wrote: > > Hi Incubator PMC, > > > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Geertjan Wielenga > > wrote: > >> ... https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal ... > > > > At this point I ask anyone with concerns or questions that haven&#x

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-15 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Thanks a lot for the input, Leonardo! Great to have you part of the future Apache NetBeans community. :-) Gj On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:51 PM, Leonardo Loch Zanivan wrote: > As a NetBeans community contributor and plugin maker, I'll try to clarify > some points about how plugins work on NetBeans

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-15 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Notes on the NetBeans infrastructure from the NetBeans build engineer. Who from Apache infra is going to do 1:1 discovery? Public servers: - www.netbeans.org: The core of the netbeans.org project, as well as user management, bugzilla, and mailing lists. - hg.netbeans.org: 1 VM with 32 Mercurial re

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-15 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
vailable to be migrated or donated to the ASF? Or expected to be? > > Mac builds is an interesting topic on this as well. > > On Sep 15, 2016 6:36 PM, "Geertjan Wielenga" < > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > Notes on the NetBeans infrastructure f

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-15 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Thanks. Contacting him. More info, this time statistics: Total Physical Source Lines of Code = 8,281,256 Total Number of Files = 64927 Thanks, Geertjan: On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:22 AM, David Nalley wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > >

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-15 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Sep 16, 2016 at 1:22 AM, David Nalley wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Geertjan Wielenga >> wrote: >> > Notes on the NetBeans infrastructure from the NetBeans build engineer. >> Who >> > from Apache infra is going to do 1:1 discovery? >> &g

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-16 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
release there is a manual stabilisation phase? Or do you > only apply finished features? > > Question is whether we need Gerrit or something similar. Or is plain GIT > enough? > > LieGrue, > strub > > > > > > On Friday, 16 September 2016, 7:01, Geertjan Wielenga <

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-16 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Bayer wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Geertjan Wielenga < > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > - deadlock.netbeans.org: 6 VMs, used mainly for propagation of changes > > between team repositories and to the releases repository, including jobs > &g

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-16 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
No one said we want to keep that many subdomains. We're simply listing our current infrastructure at this point. I'd say we probably need a lot less than we currently have. Gj On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 11:41 PM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: > On 16.09.2016 00:36, Geertjan W

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-16 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
le in this area. Gj On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 1:53 AM, David Nalley wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Jochen Theodorou > wrote: > > On 16.09.2016 00:36, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > > [...] > >> > >> Public servers: > >> - www.netbeans.org:

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-17 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
ould be nightly builds and that is supported, from your response here. Geertjan On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz < bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 7:00 AM, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > > ...the #1 requirement is for Apache N

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-17 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
or jenkins pipelines, to orchestrate the build > steps required programmatically via a groovy DSL instead of job configs. > > John > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 9:19 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < > bdelacre...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 10:23 AM,

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-18 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
e- > >>> From: Greg Stein [mailto:gst...@gmail.com] > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 00:46 > >>> To: general@incubator.apache.org > >>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal > >>> > >>> On Sat,

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-19 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
ntment. The committers are the most value part of a project. > > This are at the moment my biggest concerns. > > Regards Raphael > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > > Nightly builds is all that's needed, indeed, no one needs to announce

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-19 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
> initial committer list. forgotten people can create bad blood and > disappointment. The committers are the most value part of a project. > > This are at the moment my biggest concerns. > > Regards Raphael > > On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Geertjan Wielenga > wr

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-19 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On 18.09.2016 9:46 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > There is no rush, no dates, no deadlines at the ASF. It may take longer via > mailing lists, but it means that the larger community can be involved, can > review, and can be archived. Makes sense -- and indeed the more details we have up front the bett

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-19 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
t; strub > > > > > > > > > >> On Sunday, 18 September 2016, 18:22, Dennis E. Hamilton > > wrote: > >> > +1 > >> > >> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: Greg Stein [mailto:gs

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-20 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
more importantly, if he > wants to be added to that list up-front would that be OK? > > Thanks, > Roman. > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 12:40 AM, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > Attached to this message is a proposed new project - Apach

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-21 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > Still, the question remain -- for somebody like that, what would be a > criteria > to be added as a committer after the project enters incubation? Let's stop wasting time -- just provide his name so it can be added to the list, thanks. Geertjan On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-22 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote: > > I think Netbeans has the balance somewhat right - but I would hope > there would be more engagement on their existing lists to more openly > invite anyone who wants to join; or at least make it clear that the > whole of the community (

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-22 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Hi all, Indeed, I now have greater clarity on the initial contributors list thanks to meeting John Ament this afternoon. The initial contributors list is somehow a magic list. Anyone on the list will, once the proposal has been voted on and accepted, automatically be contributors to the Apache Ne

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-23 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
t; > Hi Geertjan, > > > > I won't have time to look at your whole message now, just a few > > clarifications as far as committers/PMC is concerned. > > > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < > > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wro

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-24 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Jochen Theodorou For me the problem is that without plugins you have only the bare plattform > and no IDE. No, that's not true at all. The NetBeans plugins are of various kinds. There are plugins that are listed in the Plugin Manager by default, these are the sta

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-24 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
t of view, voting on the proposal should not happen until this has been done, working on it now, approaching people to ask them to be added to the list, and will be writing mails to NetBeans mailing lists. Thanks, Gj On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@goo

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-24 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
th Java and JSF: leanpub.com/jsf > Java Lambdas and Parallel Streams: leanpub.com/lambdas > > > Am 23. September 2016 07:50:53 MESZ, schrieb Geertjan Wielenga < > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>: > >Hi all, > > > >Indeed, I now have greater clarity on t

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

2016-09-24 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Yes, excellent work and many thanks for the time taken on this, Daniel. For anyone reading this -- do note that these are preliminary findings based on the current infrastructure of NetBeans, which is going to be very different under Apache, e.g., plugins.netbeans.org looks like it will be hosted s

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-24 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
It really is impossible for us to follow all the (in many cases contradictory) advice we have been given re the initial contributors list. Here's what I propose: 1. We make the initial contributors list as detailed as we can, i.e., I have already started doing this, grouping individual contributo

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

2016-09-25 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 1:16 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > > Don't make the request until the IPMC can present an argument that a move > of NetBeans to the ASF will reverse the decline in interest that NetBeans > is seeing. OK, we do need to see the basis for that assertion. I think the only thing th

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-25 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
all well known and established people in the NetBeans community who it would make sense to include right away, rather than having to vote them in later. Thanks, Geertjan On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Ate Douma wrote: > On 2016-09-25 12:15, Ate Douma wrote: > >> On 2016-09-25

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

2016-09-25 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > What I'm saying is that to make a case for extra budget there needs to be > solid justification that a move to ASF will help the community grow. This is the first I've heard of this. My one data point is http://pages.zeroturnaround.com/Re

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-25 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > I am not opposed to Geertjan/NetBeans team refining the current list, > but please don't delay the incubation vote by doing so. Absolutely agree. > And above all please avoid giving the impression that whatever list > you come up w

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

2016-09-25 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > My only concern, if you go ahead with a vote before you get an ack, is > that you vote in a podling that may not get the resources it needs. I'd like to reiterate a point I have made earlier: the preliminary NetBeans cost findings are based

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-25 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
is ultimately what the > Netbeans community is after). Realistically, those who used to contribute > will know the code base better than those who are just coming in, to be > able to help guide new contributors on what to look out for. > > > > > > Anyways I'm going to go back to l

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)

2016-09-25 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
likely and stable scenario. I am sure other Apache projects have similar arrangements and this will not be new for Apache in any way. Gj On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 11:58 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > On Sep 24, 2016 23:08, "Geertjan Wielenga" com> > wrote: > > > > Y

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-25 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
it would make sense to keep the number to a group > >of trusted people that Netbeans/GJ trust up front to commit PRs into > >the main repo, and to make short term decisions. Then if a > >developer/contributor shows themselves to be a useful part of the > >community then yo

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-25 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
is not to try to be as complete as possible. As stated earlier in this thread, we're simply going to follow our mentors when there is a different in emphasis and that's what we're going to be doing in this case. Thanks, Gj On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 2:30 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrot

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

2016-09-25 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
> > My guess is that the first 6 months is the most expensive as it > involves a lot of time from infrastructure to migrate resources or > figure out alternatives. My guess is, based on Daniels estimate, that > first year is 13-30k - each year thereafter is 3-10k per year in costs > (whether those

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

2016-09-26 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
We're actively discussing with various organizations about the future home of plugins.netbeans.org. We'd certainly not want to go into the future without our Plugin Portal and plugins, there's no point in pointing out to the NetBeans community the importance of its plugins. :-) I am comfortable tha

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

2016-09-26 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
ortance of plugins.netbeans.org and the range of organizations available who could be the host of that service and the fact that we are already exploring this with some of them. Just my 2c on this. Gj On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 6:11 PM, David Nalley wrote: > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Geertjan Wiel

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

2016-09-26 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
PS: GitHub may be an option too, though right now we're working with two or three different organizations, to see which would be the best home for plugins.netbeans.org. On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Yup. For sure.

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

2016-09-26 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 7:19 PM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: > won't plugins.netbeans.org run for another few months with Oracle > infrastructure? If it does, is it urgent enough to block incubation? For me > it does not look that way. Indeed, this is not an urgent issue from the point of view of N

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-26 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
t; "Web Development with Java and JSF": https://leanpub.com/jsf > "Java Lambdas und (parallel) Streams" Deutsche Ausgabe: > https://leanpub.com/lambdas-de > "Java Lambdas and (parallel) Streams" English edition: > https://leanpub.com/lambdas > > On 09/23/2

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-26 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
. Gj On Monday, September 26, 2016, Emmanuel Lécharny wrote: > Le 26/09/16 à 07:32, Geertjan Wielenga a écrit : > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 6:52 AM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > > > >> But if you are thinking 100 people, I'd try to get it down to 40-ish. > &g

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

2016-09-27 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
t and the more we add to it, the more insulted someone might feel for having been omitted. :-) All the above info can be added to the proposal, if this is desirable, though the long list of individual contributors already there should be evidence enough in itself that we're working

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

2016-09-27 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
I think for a lot of (NetBeans) folks lurking in these threads, it will be useful to know what voting means, who can vote, what 'binding votes' are, etc etc. From the NetBeans side of things, we're a large community and lots of us are following all this and maybe someone can point us Apache newbies

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

2016-09-27 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
ld be my advise at this point. Gj On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > > ...I think for a lot of (NetBeans) folks lurking in these threads, it > will be > > useful to know what voting mean

Re: Radical proposal: no initial list of committers

2016-09-27 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > For example, I'm really curious whether the current cast of NetBeans > mentors are really aware of the IP review workload that is going to hit > them > once NetBeans tries to produce its first official Apache Release. In that regard, I'

Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

2016-09-27 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
ly equal match and will work out for everyone to the benefit of all. There are several precarious sliding pieces though the end goal will unite everything. Gj On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Ate Douma wrote: > On 2016-09-27 18:12, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016

Re: Netbeans expectations (Was: Re: ASF doing too much? (Was: Re: TAC))

2016-09-27 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
>From the NetBeans side, we appreciate Roman's callibration and Jim's transparency and Ate's diplomacy. Onwards. Gj On Wednesday, September 28, 2016, Bertrand Delacretaz < bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: > (removing board@ which has nothing to do with this) > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 12:39 AM,

Re: Netbeans expectations (Was: Re: ASF doing too much? (Was: Re: TAC))

2016-09-27 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Sorry, Bertrand, not Ate, though I feel they're in sync. Gj On Wednesday, September 28, 2016, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > From the NetBeans side, we appreciate Roman's callibration and Jim's > transparency and Ate's diploma

Re: Netbeans expectations (Was: Re: ASF doing too much? (Was: Re: TAC))

2016-09-27 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
ghts are going to be invaluable! Gj On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 12:58 AM, Ate Douma wrote: > On 2016-09-28 00:50, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > >> Sorry, Bertrand, not Ate, though I feel they're in sync. >> > > In this case, you felt right :-) > > Syncing with the mentors wou

Re: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "NetBeansProposal" by GeertjanWielenga

2016-09-27 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Yup. I stand corrected and have deleted. :-) Gj On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 1:39 AM, John D. Ament wrote: > Its generally not good practice to edit the proposal once the vote has > started. > > John > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 7:38 PM Apache Wiki wrote: > > > Dear Wiki user, > > > > You have subsc

Re: Reuse Maven repository more was: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings

2016-09-28 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
This would be brilliant. Make it happen! Gj On Wednesday, September 28, 2016, Jaroslav Tulach wrote: > On sobota 24. září 2016 12:17:21 CEST, Daniel Gruno wrote: > > Certain services like the plugins hosting will rely on Legal giving the > > go-ahead for it, otherwise we'll have to find other p

Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

2016-09-28 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
> > > After the project has been accepted and started in the incubator, > > additional > > committers can join, as usual, based upon their merit in the project. > > > > *Bold* means that there has already been code contributed to NetBeans, > > while > >

Re: [VOTE] Accept NetBeans into the Apache Incubator

2016-09-30 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 7:39 PM, jag wrote: > +1 (expressing unbridled enthusiasm and glee!!) Note: The above is James Gosling. :-) - Gj On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 7:39 PM, jag wrote: > +1 (expressing unbridled enthusiasm and glee!!) > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://apache-in

Re: NetBeans next steps

2016-10-03 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
OK, thanks, will work with Wade and others who may be encountering this. Gj On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 12:20 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > Wade, > > ICLAs submitted before the vote don't get accounts created automatically. > Please reach out to your mentors to get your account created. > > John > > On

Re: NetBeans next steps

2016-10-03 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Or maybe a list of names could be provided of those who have already sent in there ICLAs for Apache NetBeans (incubating)? And those could then enter the process of having their accounts created manually. Gj On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Netbeans - Exception Reporter

2016-10-06 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Yup, we need to include it in the transition in some way and will need to list in the Wiki once we have set that up. Gj On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 8:02 PM, cowwoc wrote: > Hi, > > One of the main feature I value in the Netbeans infrastructure is the > automated exception reporter. I've reported tho

Re: [DRAFT] Incubator PMC Board Report - September 2017

2017-09-12 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
NetBeans went through some developments during this past month, not sure where that would fit, maybe a place can be added for it and we'll fill in the details? Gj On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 12:02 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: > Pulsar is now signed off and also shepherd notes done. > > Heron is a little

Re: [DRAFT] Incubator PMC Board Report - September 2017

2017-09-12 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:23 AM, John D. Ament wrote: Geertjan, > > What if we add a note under Legal, something like: > > - Thanks to hard work on both the Oracle and ASF side, the Netbeans team > was able to get the first three repositories populated from a software > grant. > > ? > Great! Ou

Re: [DRAFT] Incubator PMC Board Report - September 2017

2017-09-13 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Makes sense, was missing your reminders, now I know why. Looking forward to reporting again, heaps will have happened in the interim. Gj On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 at 12:28, John D. Ament wrote: > On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:40 AM Geertjan Wielenga < > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wro

Re: Write access to Incubator Wiki

2017-10-10 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Done. Gj On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Willem Jiang wrote: > Hi, > > May I have the write access of Incubator wiki for editing the page of > incubator? > > My name is njiang, email is ningji...@apache.org > > Thanks, > > Willem Jiang > > Blog: http://willemjiang.blogspot.com (English) >

Re: [VOTE] Release 1.5 of NetBeans HTML/Java API

2017-10-21 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Many thanks -- so, right now, Bertrand, John, and Mark have done binding votes -- i.e., two of our mentors and the VP Incubator. How many binding votes are needed or is it simply a question of time, i.e., at the time that the vote expires, if there's no -1, and only +1 binding votes, then the rele

[Vote] Release of Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Alpha [RC2]

2017-11-21 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Hi all, The Apache NetBeans community has voted on and approved a proposal to release Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Alpha rc2. We now kindly request that the Incubator PMC members review and vote on this incubator release candidate. Apache NetBeans (incubating) is an open source development e

[RESULT][Vote] Release of Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Alpha [RC2]

2017-11-29 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Dear IPMC Community, I am pleased to announce that the Incubator PMC has approved the release of Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Alpha rc2. The vote has passed with: four binding "+1" votes no "0" votes no "-1" votes The votes were https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ae06af5a10d99a14e35a0fee8

[VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc2

2018-01-19 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Hi all, The Apache NetBeans community has voted on and approved a proposal to release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc2. We now kindly request that the Incubator PMC members review and vote on this incubator release candidate. Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) constitutes all the mod

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc2

2018-01-20 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Hi Justin, Many thanks for your thorough review, by the end of this we’re really going to have a release that is excellently IP-cleared. Since two of our mentors gave a +1 in the PPMC vote, I’m interested in their take on your review too. Just curious, that’s all, how they evaluate your points. A

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc2

2018-01-20 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Yes, we excluded test/*/data directories via rat exclusions on the basis that files within them are test data and hence can be excluded. There is no test code here. At worst, as pointed out below, there’s pseudo code. Gj On Saturday, January 20, 2018, Jan Lahoda wrote: > On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc2

2018-01-20 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
running rat, as a starting point. Then we’ll all have the same results and can start discussions from the same basis. Gj On Sunday, January 21, 2018, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Yes, we excluded test/*/data directories via rat exclusions on the basis >

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc2

2018-01-20 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
The exclusions are in the build.xml in github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans. I am quite sure that the rat exclusions are set too wide, at this point, the idea being to resolve those over the coming releases bit by bit. Gj On Sunday, January 21, 2018, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > In many/mo

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc2

2018-01-22 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
I am not sure what the point is of spending time on putting rat exclusions together if they’re simply going to be ignored when it comes to IPMC members evaluating a release. Yes, we can of course discuss those rat exclusions. No, they cannot simply be ignored and we cannot be confronted with a very

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc2

2018-01-22 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
t has a long history > outside Apache. I don't that Netbeans has any such problems and it sucks to > have to do the due diligence, but that diligence really is due before > release. > > > > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 2:01 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < > geertjan.wiele...@googlemai

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc2

2018-01-22 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
The very last thing you’ll find us doing is ignoring your advice. We have taken everything everyone has said and suggested from the very start very seriously. It is for that very reason that, for example, we’d like rat exclusions to be discussed and not ignored and for it also to be affirmed that

Re: License headers on test data (was Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc2)

2018-01-22 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Monday, January 22, 2018, John D. Ament wrote: > > > > > > > - Specific call outs in the README about test data licensing not be > > Apache > > > license > > > > > > > This is one of the things that are very unclear to me. If we are talking > > about files like these [1][2][3][4][5][6] (they m

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc2

2018-01-22 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 12:36 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 5:33 AM Geertjan Wielenga < > geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> The very last thing you’ll find us doing is ignoring your advice. We have >> taken everything everyone has said

Re: License headers on test data (was Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc2)

2018-01-23 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
We have created one of many[1] issues dedicated to data files in */test/*data folders. The point is that these are all data files, used by our tests, and if license headers were to be added the tests would fail. E.g., some tests make use of a position in the file, which would be different (and wr

Re: License headers on test data (was Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc2)

2018-01-23 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
lved? [1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-318 [2]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-306 Thanks, Gj On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: >> ...we propose that we add a line to the R

Re: License headers on test data (was Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc2)

2018-01-23 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
OK, makes sense, thanks for these insights and ideas. Gj On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 2:40 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 2:35 PM, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > >>... >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/blob/master/nbbuild/bui

[VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc3

2018-02-09 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Hi all, The Apache NetBeans community has voted on and approved a proposal to release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc3. We now kindly request that the Incubator PMC members review and vote on this incubator release candidate. Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) constitutes all the mod

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc3

2018-02-12 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
the new RC? I just scanned a > couple of the links below but didn’t see any mention of this. > > david jencks > >> On Feb 9, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Geertjan Wielenga >> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> The Apache NetBeans community has voted on and approve

[RESULT] [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc3

2018-02-15 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
proceed to publish the release and send ANNOUNCE. On behalf of the Apache NetBeans podling, thank you! Geertjan -- Forwarded message -- From: Geertjan Wielenga Date: Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 10:36 PM Subject: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc3 To: general

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc3

2018-02-15 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Thanks a lot, these should be trivial to fix, will make issues for all and merge for the next release. Gj On Friday, February 16, 2018, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > I know the vote is over but you may want to fix this issues I noticed > before the next release: > - How are these wav files lic

Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc3

2018-02-15 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Yes, we split up the issues into those we would fix for the Beta release and those for after that before but before leaving the incubator. This is all documented on the rc3 page on our Wiki, i.e., it is clearly documented which items we committed to fixing for Beta and which for after that and the

[ANNOUNCE] Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Beta released

2018-02-16 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
The Apache NetBeans team is proud to announce the release of Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Beta. Apache NetBeans (incubating) 9.0 Beta constitutes all the modules in the Apache NetBeans Git repo, which together provide the NetBeans Platform (i.e., the underlying application framework), which wa

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 Beta (incubating) rc3

2018-02-19 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Thanks again, Gj On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 5:26 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Thanks a lot, these should be trivial to fix, will make issues for all and > merge for the next release. > > Gj > > > On Friday, February 16, 2018, Just

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1

2018-05-23 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
See this page, most/several items are mentioned there, including the new splash screen: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+9.0+RC1 Note that we're not working on the final release of Apache NetBeans, but on its release candidate. Indeed, this is confusing -- wha

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1

2018-05-23 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
And the open issue is mentioned directly in the vote thread itself by Emilian: The license files listed in the Rat report are known and an issue exists >> for solving this: > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-305 > > Gj On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 3:

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1

2018-05-23 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
The list of licenses in the issue are the same as yours. It is a known issue and discussed there, see the description of the issue, which has a list of licenses that matches yours. Gj On Wednesday, May 23, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Geertjan Wiele

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1

2018-05-23 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
, 2018, Bertrand Delacretaz < > bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote: > >> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Geertjan Wielenga >> wrote: >> > ...The license files listed in the Rat report are known and an issue >> exists >> >>> for solving this: >

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1

2018-05-26 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
+1 (non binding) Signatures verified after importing the 1CCF4647 key from here: https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/netbeans/KEYS SHA1 digests match. DISCLAIMER and NOTICE look good. nbbuild/rat-exclusions.txt, we need to work on making it smaller, but we have documented ever

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1

2018-05-26 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
AFAIK these have all been removed, I removed several of these myself. Gj On Saturday, May 26, 2018, Justin Mclean wrote: > > Hi, > > > Please check that your rat exclusions have not been set to too wide and > rat shovel pick up these issues. > > Correcting: > > Please check that your rat exclu

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