On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Goetz, Paul wrote:
> Jukka Zitting wrote:
>> Have you had a chance to digest all the feedback?
>
> Well, we're still digesting :o)
> Florian started bit of a discussion on the Chemistry mailing list, but there
> was not too much of a feedback - due to vacation. I
Hi,
first, thanks for all your feedback.
Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Have you had a chance to digest all the feedback?
Well, we're still digesting :o)
Florian started bit of a discussion on the Chemistry mailing list, but there
was not too much of a feedback - due to vacation. I guess, we will need s
Hi,
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Goetz, Paul wrote:
> we would like to propose a new incubator podling called OpenCMIS.
Have you had a chance to digest all the feedback?
The way I see it, the options for going forward with this proposal are:
1) Include OpenCMIS in the Chemistry project as a
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> When Etch was proposed they didn't even mention Thrift, even tho they both
> basically
> have the same goals.
1. Etch and Thrift are not involved in specs, and more comparable to
"web app framework" domain.
2. Etch is also not in a good st
> I'm not sure if having two podlings implementing CMIS is a good idea.
The Incubator is not really in the business of pre-selecting winners. If there
are two communities that want to incubate, those are two separate items. If
there is a reason to see if they can merge, I am all for it. Mergi
hi all,
here are my two cents.
i believe the cmis community is too small to fork at this point
and at least the chemistry part of the community does not want
to fork (at least that's my take, as a part of it).
so i would personally assume that all chemistry committers
would join the opencmis ini
- Original Message
> From: Niclas Hedhman
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Sat, December 12, 2009 9:42:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
> Interoperability Services (CMIS)
>
> The Board has in the past condemn
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
The Board has in the past condemned "balkanization" of community, and my
take on this situation is exactly that.
This is not "yet another web framework", which often brought forward as
examples that the ASF encourages competition within. Those typically have a
different "an
Stefane Fermigier wrote:
On Dec 12, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Michael Wechner wrote:
Stefane Fermigier schrieb:
OK, I personally believe this is in contradiction with the first
commandment of the Apache Way:
"*Community over Code* is a frequent saying that exemplifies ASF
projects. Community uses
0:35:18 AM
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
Interoperability Services (CMIS)
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Michael Wechner
wrote:
Right and as long as OpenCMIS fulfills the requirements of the
incubator I
don't see any reason why there shouldn't be
On Dec 12, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Michael Wechner wrote:
Stefane Fermigier schrieb:
OK, I personally believe this is in contradiction with the first
commandment of the Apache Way:
"*Community over Code* is a frequent saying that exemplifies ASF
projects. Community uses Openness and Merit, expr
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 2:42 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> The Board has in the past condemned "balkanization" of community, and my
> take on this situation is exactly that.
>
> This is not "yet another web framework", which often brought forward as
> examples that the ASF encourages competition wit
The Board has in the past condemned "balkanization" of community, and my
take on this situation is exactly that.
This is not "yet another web framework", which often brought forward as
examples that the ASF encourages competition within. Those typically have a
different "angle", "approach" or "met
Joe Schaefer a écrit :
I see where Joe is going to with his "let both project get in and let's see
which one will survive", I can't help but thinking that beside the rules, there
is a spirit which is way more important.
At least, let's try...
The way I see it the purpose of a proposal
- Original Message
> From: Emmanuel Lcharny
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Sat, December 12, 2009 7:32:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
> Interoperability Services (CMIS)
>
> Michael Wechner a écrit :
>
Michael Wechner a écrit :
Emmanuel Lcharny wrote:
Michael Wechner a écrit :
Stefane Fermigier schrieb:
OK, I personally believe this is in contradiction with the first
commandment of the Apache Way:
"*Community over Code* is a frequent saying that exemplifies ASF
projects. Community uses O
Florent Guillaume wrote:
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Michael Wechner
wrote:
Right and as long as OpenCMIS fulfills the requirements of the incubator I
don't see any reason why there shouldn't be two projects of the same topic.
I also do not see any reason why OpenCMIS should be a sub-
Emmanuel Lcharny wrote:
Michael Wechner a écrit :
Stefane Fermigier schrieb:
OK, I personally believe this is in contradiction with the first
commandment of the Apache Way:
"*Community over Code* is a frequent saying that exemplifies ASF
projects. Community uses Openness and Merit, expresse
- Original Message
> From: Florent Guillaume
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: chemistry-...@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Sat, December 12, 2009 10:35:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
> Interoperability Services (CMIS)
&
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Michael Wechner
wrote:
> Right and as long as OpenCMIS fulfills the requirements of the incubator I
> don't see any reason why there shouldn't be two projects of the same topic.
>
> I also do not see any reason why OpenCMIS should be a sub-project of
> Chemistry.
Michael Wechner a écrit :
Stefane Fermigier schrieb:
OK, I personally believe this is in contradiction with the first
commandment of the Apache Way:
"*Community over Code* is a frequent saying that exemplifies ASF
projects. Community uses Openness and Merit, expressed through
Collaborative a
chemistry-...@incubator.apache.org
Cc: Incubator-General
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
Interoperability Services (CMIS)
On Dec 11, 2009, at 7:10 PM, Florian Müller wrote:
Chemistry uses Abdera to communicate with the server while
OpenCMIS is based on JAX-B
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Stefane Fermigier wrote:
> OK, I personally believe this is in contradiction with the first commandment
> of the Apache Way:
>
> "*Community over Code* is a frequent saying that exemplifies ASF projects.
> Community uses Openness and Merit, expressed through Colla
: Stefane Fermigier [mailto:s...@nuxeo.com] Sent: Friday,
December 11, 2009 7:46 PM
To: chemistry-...@incubator.apache.org
Cc: Incubator-General
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
Interoperability Services (CMIS)
On Dec 11, 2009, at 7:10 PM, Florian Müller wrote
Heya OpenCMIS folks,
Since it looks like you aren't currently supported by a champion or
mentor [1], I thought I'd fill in a small part and inject some warm
fuzzies...
*Thanks* for open sourcing your project and *thanks* for considering
doing it at apache. Its always a lot of effort to go th
t.
Or am I missing something which violates any current rule of the incubator?
Cheers
Michael
Florian
-Original Message-
From: Stefane Fermigier [mailto:s...@nuxeo.com]
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:46 PM
To: chemistry-...@incubator.apache.org
Cc: Incubator-General
Subject: Re: [PROPO
Hi,
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Florian Müller wrote:
> But you are actually comparing two different levels of APIs. The
> opencmis-provider-api handles simple immutable data objects while
> chemistry-api follows an object-oriented approach. As far as I know
> Chemistry has nothing comparabl
009 7:46 PM
To: chemistry-...@incubator.apache.org
Cc: Incubator-General
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
Interoperability Services (CMIS)
On Dec 11, 2009, at 7:10 PM, Florian Müller wrote:
>
> Chemistry uses Abdera to communicate with the server while OpenCMIS
> is bas
On Dec 11, 2009, at 7:10 PM, Florian Müller wrote:
Chemistry uses Abdera to communicate with the server while OpenCMIS
is based on JAX-B and some CMIS specific XML coding.
I've been personally asking myself recently wether it would be
feasible to drop Abdera in favor of JAXB in Chemistry,
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Florian Müller wrote:
> But you are actually comparing two different levels of APIs. The
> opencmis-provider-api handles simple immutable data objects while
> chemistry-api follows an object-oriented approach. As far as I know Chemistry
> has nothing comparable
ator.apache.org
Cc: Incubator-General
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
Interoperability Services (CMIS)
Hi,
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Florian Müller wrote:
> The only way to overcome this is to merge the OpenCMIS code into the
> Chemistry code base.
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Stefane Fermigier wrote:
> ...More seriously, let's not attack each other's conception of open source,
> and
> focus on the question at hand
+1
>
> ...Everyone, member of the open source community or not, is free to start a
> new
> implementation of an exis
On Dec 11, 2009, at 5:28 PM, Jens Hübel wrote:
Hi Chemistry,
I understand the concerns you might have and the confusion we have
caused. But please do not forget that Open in Open Source has a
meaning. So I am not sure that all the comments I read here are in
accordance with the idea of i
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> I compared opencmis-provider-api to chemistry-api. While there are
> differences in design (granularity of interfaces, type safety, etc.),
> the fundamental architecture is the same for both projects. This is as
> expected as they both map th
Hi Chemistry,
I understand the concerns you might have and the confusion we have caused. But
please do not forget that Open in Open Source has a meaning. So I am not sure
that all the comments I read here are in accordance with the idea of it. So
before you just say "No" please think about
- I
Hi,
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Florian Müller wrote:
> The only way to overcome this is to merge the OpenCMIS code into the
> Chemistry code base. But the technical approaches of the projects are so
> different that this might not work - at least not in the short term.
I compared opencmis-
On Dec 11, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Florian Müller wrote:
Hi Stefane,
I'm not sure I get your point. If OpenCMIS would become a top level
subproject within Chemistry (which is what Florent suggested) then
those two topics would still remain. It would be even worse:
Chemistry would then have two
Same for me (if I understand your opinion correctly): we shouldn't
have OpenCMIS competing with a subproject of Chemistry, because it
will have a negative impact both internally (on project developers)
and externally (on project customers):
1. Internally: duplication of effort, instead of f
On Dec 10, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Florent Guillaume wrote:
> My earlier recommendation to Paul and Florian, and my recommendation
> today, is that, if incubating is deemed the better choice, OpenCMIS
> become a top level directory under the Chemistry codebase. The earlier
> the two codebases are broug
--Original Message-
From: Stefane Fermigier [mailto:s...@nuxeo.com]
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:52 PM
To: chemistry-...@incubator.apache.org
Cc: Incubator-General
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
Interoperability Services (CMIS)
Same for me (if I under
hi all,
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Gianugo Rabellino wrote:
> None of the above issues is a blocker, but the sum of the parts
> doesn't give me exactly a warm, fuzzy feeling. I would appreciate the
> proponents having a discussion with Chemistry first. If OpenCMIS,
> however, prefers to sk
Gianugo Rabellino wrote:
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Michael Wechner
wrote:
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
As Gianugo says, the Chemistry folks are certainly the best people to
judge (together with you guys of course) whether your ideas can be
incorporated in Chemistry, or are better
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Florent Guillaume wrote:
> (or the fact that the code has not be released in any public manner yet)
Apologies, the code *is* released. Just not the discussions around its
design and its future.
Florent
--
Florent Guillaume, Director of R&D, Nuxeo
Open Source, J
Hi,
I'm cross-posting this to general@ and chemistry-...@.
First let me say that I'm glad to see companies willing to open-source
their projects, that's always a good thing for the open source world
in general. I also understand that there is an existing and used
codebase from these companies and
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Michael Wechner
wrote:
> Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>>
>> As Gianugo says, the Chemistry folks are certainly the best people to
>> judge (together with you guys of course) whether your ideas can be
>> incorporated in Chemistry, or are better off in a separate proj
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
As Gianugo says, the Chemistry folks are certainly the best people to
judge (together with you guys of course) whether your ideas can be
incorporated in Chemistry, or are better off in a separate project.
The Incubator's position is very probably that it's fine to hav
Hi Gianugo,
you wrote
> I understand and sympathize, but if this is the kind of issues you are
> facing, I would suggest that you have much bigger problems to solve
> than an Open Source project. Actually, your statement is extremely
> worrisome, as you should be aware that in Apache you have to a
Hi,
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Goetz, Paul wrote:
>...well, sorry that the discussion did not happen on the Chemistry mailing
>list.
>
> But for those being employees needing a legal clearance from their employer,
> before they
> can contribute or mail to a mailing list, it is difficult
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Goetz, Paul wrote:
> Hi,
>
> well, sorry that the discussion did not happen on the Chemistry mailing list.
>
> But for those being employees needing a legal clearance from their employer,
> before they can contribute or mail to a mailing list, it is difficult to
Florian,
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Florian Müller wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I can talk a bit about the OpenCMIS architecture. That might help to
> distinguish it from Chemistry.
> I hope that helps.
It does, thanks for sharing. However, it would help a lot more as a
foundation for a discussio
t.
Best regards,
Paul
-Original Message-
From: Felix Meschberger [mailto:fmesc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 10:00
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
Interoperability Services (CMIS)
Hi,
Gianugo R
ubject: RE: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
Interoperability Services (CMIS)
Hi Bertrand, hi Giuanugo,
we discussed that with Florent Guillaume (from Chemistry) already.
There are two aspects here, let me start with the technical one:
As stated in the proposal: Chemistry aims
Hi,
Gianugo Rabellino schrieb:
> ... snip ...
> I wish this discussion happened on chemistry-dev, and I would actually
> like to see what the community as a whole thinks about it. I'd
> actually prefer to see OpenCMIS possibly spinning off from Chemistry
> after an unsuccessful integration attempt
Hi Paul,
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Goetz, Paul wrote:
> ...we discussed that with Florent Guillaume (from Chemistry) already
Ok - although Florent is AFAIK very much involved in Chemistry, in my
Apache book that doesn't count as discussing with the Chemistry
project. What bugged me wh
Paul, thanks for your reply. Some quick comments:
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Goetz, Paul wrote:
> Hi Bertrand, hi Giuanugo,
>
> we discussed that with Florent Guillaume (from Chemistry) already.
>
> There are two aspects here, let me start with the technical one:
> As stated in the proposal
jects in parallel
isn't that bad.
Best regards,
Paul
-Original Message-
From: Gianugo Rabellino [mailto:gian...@gmail.com]
Sent: Mittwoch, 9. Dezember 2009 18:45
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
Interoperability Serv
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Goetz, Paul wrote:
>
>> ...Alignment
>> Apache Chemistry aims to build a CMIS implementation, too. The focus for
>> OpenCMIS is to provide a
>> self-contained client library for CMIS for Java only - whil
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Goetz, Paul wrote:
> ...Alignment
> Apache Chemistry aims to build a CMIS implementation, too. The focus for
> OpenCMIS is to provide a
> self-contained client library for CMIS for Java only - while Chemistry is
> aiming at a broader scope, as
> it started from a
Hi,
we would like to propose a new incubator podling called OpenCMIS.
Please find below the plain-text version of the proposal.
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Best regards,
Paul
Apache OpenCMIS Proposal
Abstract
OpenCMIS will deliver a Java implementation o
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