On 10/9/24 12:33 PM, glen wrote:
Hm. I don't normally read the GPT output posted to the list. But I did
this time and am worse off for it. Your original is way better.
Anyway, I'd like to continue responding to Stephen's originalism and
your tangent into compression at the same time.
Because
On 10/9/24 9:15 AM, glen wrote:
Uh oh. Originalism rears its head again! Are our aphorisms alive or dead?
I have been thinking about "compression" in the sense I think you (Glen)
use it often.
"All models are wrong, some are useful"
GPT 4o offers the following "compression" of my long-
Uh oh. Originalism rears its head again! Are our aphorisms alive or dead? ...
yet another manifestation of the cognitive biases fulminated by metaphor. You
Lex Fridman fans will appreciate that one of my favorite youtubers also likes
Fridman: Metatron. Even worse, he thinks Fridman has a [cough
On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 3:06 PM Jon Zingale wrote:
> Since we are picking on aphorisms, I wish to add criticism to "all models
> are wrong, some are useful".
>
> To a great extent, the qualities of the thing being modelled matters. For
> instance, natural numbers do have crisp, compact properties
What sound does a spherical cow make?
Moo
mOo?
On Tue, Oct 8, 2024, 5:51 PM glen wrote:
I agree. But it depends fundamentally on what one means by all
those words: "model", "wrong", "useful" - 3 unknowns, assuming
"some" and "all" are understood as quantifiers and "are" is
Moo
On Tue, Oct 8, 2024, 5:51 PM glen wrote:
> I agree. But it depends fundamentally on what one means by all those
> words: "model", "wrong", "useful" - 3 unknowns, assuming "some" and "all"
> are understood as quantifiers and "are" is understood as
> membership/identity. The problem with the
I agree. But it depends fundamentally on what one means by all those words: "model", "wrong", "useful" - 3
unknowns, assuming "some" and "all" are understood as quantifiers and "are" is understood as
membership/identity. The problem with the EO Wilson aphorism was that it was too short. This one
Since we are picking on aphorisms, I wish to add criticism to "all models
are wrong, some are useful".
To a great extent, the qualities of the thing being modelled matters. For
instance, natural numbers do have crisp, compact properties and can be
modelled by sets. To claim that models are never c
>
> Steve,
>>
>
I have been working at this response for days. You will probably be
completely over this conversation by the time you get it.
> *When I recently (weeks before Dave's offering here and years since
>> reading it in Wilson's original context/voice) encountered the
>> "paleolithic
I don't think so. There's a schematic placeholder in most atheist rhetoric called the God of the Gaps. (I'm
not accusing the religious amongst of us of using that or relying on it. I only raise it to make my point.)
Back in college (surrounded by unthinking religiosity at every turn), I would ap
I like both the ideas that the false aphorism highlights multi-scalarity (?)
and critical/leverage points, a kindasorta articulation point in the vast
dimensional space ... a segmented body. But I think I'm with Nick on this one.
[gasp] It seems like pseudo-profundity to me.
But aside from ste
Ask Stephen.,I’ve done it again! Started a war I don’t have time or energy to pursue, given I am striking my Massachusetts life in preparation for life in Santa Fe.I’d love to be proven wrong, but my impression is that, with his text Socio biology, Wilson started to move away from the clear implica
Consider these extensions to EO Wilson:
"The real problem of humanity is the following: we have *Precambrian
metabolism*, Paleolithic emotions, *Axial Age religions*, Medieval
institutions,* Victorian Age scientific foundations*, and god-like
technologies. And it is terrifically dangerous, as we n
Here's a refined version of your email:
--
The final portion, addressing the "point of crisis," was omitted:
“The real problem of humanity is the following: we have Paleolithic
emotions, medieval institutions, and god-like technology. And it is
terrifically dangerous,
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*From:*Friam
<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *steve smith
*Sent:* Saturday, October 5, 2024 9:53 AM
*To:* friam@redfish.com
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM]
Nick -
I will try to answer what I think was the core of your question/response
to DaveW's offering of Wilson's aphorism with a nod perhaps to what
might also have been your reaction to my (attempted) witticism comparing
aphorisms to models, with all being wrong, some being useful.
When I re
my take exactly.
n
On Sat, Oct 5, 2024 at 7:16 PM Jon Zingale wrote:
> I suppose my reading of the quote would be something like:
>
> "When confronted with a problem, humans organize to the beat of canonical
> hours into a machine that can scrape, pierce, knock, or shred as most bigly
> as poss
He made no sense. None of them do.
From: Friam On Behalf Of steve smith
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2024 4:59 PM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] nice quote
Marcus - I tried to sort your point... I appreciated the (simplistic but
potent?) NYT American Myths bit, but not
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*From:*Friam *On Behalf Of *steve smith
*Sent:* Saturday, October 5, 2024 9:53 AM
*To:* friam@redfish.com
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] nice quote
A belief later espoused by the Una
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 3:43 PM glen wrote:
> But to suggest that it's "godlike" says more about the person than it does
> about the state of technology.
>
Yes, and
to suggest that it's not 'godlike' says more about the person's likeness
of God than it does about the state of technology.
-. --
Nick -
I don't mind offering my sense of what the aphorism is all about, I just
want to give others a chance to chime in before I start defending myself
in my overly-voluminous manner.
Can you meet me half-way with *any* sense of signal in what you are
suggesting might be pure noise (or misd
SG and DALL-E -
Good rendering, the only thing you got wrong is that one of my legs is
still original... no need to oil that one yet!
-SS
On Sat, Oct 5, 2024, 3:49 PM steve smith wrote:
Nick -
And here I thought *I* was being "pithy", then you call me out
on my lithp?!
Wasn't a paper linked to here that said that the only solution to the
existential problem of climate change is to reduce the population of
the earth to 1 billion from 8 billion?
"OK team, count off: /1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, /*/8/ !*"
"everyone whose number is a prime not in the /Fibonacci s
I am trying not to be a jerk here, but maybe jerkiness Is so centralto my
being that I cannot avoid it.
I promise you, the question was not meant to be (entirely)rhetorical. Glen
has long since taught me that nobody uses words for absolutely nothing and
if you folks see some meaning in that aphor
Nick -
And here I thought *I* was being "pithy", then you call me out on
my lithp?! ;^)
The strawman arguments have started coming out, I wonder if anyone
will gen up a steelman?
- tinman Steve
On 10/5/24 11:26 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
So in what sense and for what purposes
probably by me. Could have been Bill Reese or one of those.
Jim Rutt had a podcast with a couple who identify as “pro-natalist”. They are
concerned to keep population high so that pyramid payments like social safety
nets don’t get too strained. They refer to it as “crazy” that anyone could be
Our science illuminates global warming.
Our political institutions are incapable of crafting solutions absent so many
loopholes as the make the exercise near pointless.
Individuals operating in those institutions are driven by greed, power lust,
ego, and all manner of what the Buddha called "at
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From: Friam On Behalf Of steve smith
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2024 9:53 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] nice quote
A belief later espoused by the Unabomber.
My "Gaia Shrugs more Bigly" may w
isonment without parole (since 2000).
And let's not forget Woody Harrelson's Father, the gangland hitman
extra-ordinaire ?
I believe we have our own (near) Weatherman in house?
*From:*Friam *On Behalf Of *steve smith
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*To:* friam@redfish.co
All /Pithy Aphorisms/ are wrong, some are useful?
On 10/5/24 9:06 AM, Prof David West wrote:
my affection for the quote derives from a metaphorical reading, not a
literal one. Something akin to Steve's differential rates of
evolution. I also would have eschewed 'god like' in favor of 'magica
my affection for the quote derives from a metaphorical reading, not a literal
one. Something akin to Steve's differential rates of evolution. I also would
have eschewed 'god like' in favor of 'magical' ala Clarke's dictum about any
sufficiently advanced technology.
davew
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024,
I think that this way of talking about emotions precludes careful
thought. First of all, neurologizing emotions is just to hide the pea
under the wrong thimble. I don't think paleolithologizig helps much more.
Glen is correct that, whatever an emotion is, its inputs and outputs are
ontogenetical
M
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] nice quote
Emotions/Limbic systems evolve at genetic rates, institutions evolve at
social/cultural rates (maybe the fastest significant change can
happen/resolve is in multiple lifetimes?) but technology is advancing at
must faster rates?
Or is this wrong(he
Emotions/Limbic systems evolve at genetic rates, institutions evolve at
social/cultural rates (maybe the fastest significant change can
happen/resolve is in multiple lifetimes?) but technology is advancing at
must faster rates?
Or is this wrong(headed) also?
On 10/4/24 3:43 PM, glen wrote:
No
None of that is true, however romantic it might sound. Depending on how one defines
"emotion", that smells the most true. But the mechanisms of emotion are as coupled to
current reality as is every part of our bodies. To suggest that, say, the Space Force or methods
like quantitative easing are
A belief later espoused by the Unabomber.
From: Friam On Behalf Of steve smith
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2024 11:53 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] nice quote
"The real problem of humanity is the following: we have Paleolithic emotions,
medieval institutions, and go
/"The real problem of humanity is the following: we have Paleolithic
emotions, medieval institutions, and godlike technology. And it is
terrifically dangerous."/ Edward O. Wilson.
davew
This is a favorite quote for me of late... the challenge, methinks is
"what am I going to do about it?
*"The real problem of humanity is the following: we have Paleolithic emotions,
medieval institutions, and godlike technology. And it is terrifically
dangerous."* Edward O. Wilson.
davew
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